Pre-retcon Molecule Man vs Spectre and Michael or Lucifer

Which is it master/ did Warlock kill the abstracts or M bodies? either the IG isn't all the powerful and The user cant' tell the difference between m bodies and the real thing, or the Ig has no power over real abstracts. which doesn't make any sense, since we know eternity didn't want anyone to have the Ig. So It makes sense that Warlock was poweful enough to kill the abstracts and the LT brings them back with a wave of his hand. thus THe LT is far superior to classic beyonder or classic mM. Rebuttle? You either have to prove that the Ig is a worthless trinket and doesn't make one god or that The LT isn'at all that powerful and only reacreated the M bodies. which makes no sense since we know the abstracts can do that on thier own. which is it. enlighten us

No physical battle would be needed...

Lucifer could play some mind games, and get MM to kill himsef... 313

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Which is it master/ did Warlock kill the abstracts or M bodies?

Warlock destroyed the Abstracts M-bodys but not the Concepts they represent.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
either the IG isn't all the powerful and The user cant' tell the difference between m bodies and the real thing, or the Ig has no power over real abstracts. which doesn't make any sense, since we know eternity didn't want anyone to have the Ig.

I'm sure the Ig could destroy erase or do whatever it wants to any Abstract.

But in that particular incident, Warlock did NOT erase the Concepts they represent.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
So It makes sense that Warlock was poweful enough to kill the abstracts and the LT brings them back with a wave of his hand.

The only thing that makes sense is what happened On Panel.

Warlock destroyed the Abstract M-bodys.

The LT nullified Warlock's attack.

The Abstract M-bodys were re-created.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
thus THe LT is far superior to classic beyonder or classic mM. Rebuttle?

You're making fallacious calculations based on your ignorance.

Yea, mighty mouse > the LT.
(I'm sure you'l find some way to make sense out of it in your own head)

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You either have to prove that the Ig is a worthless trinket and doesn't make one god or that The LT isn'at all that powerful and only reacreated the M bodies. which makes no sense since we know the abstracts can do that on thier own. which is it. enlighten us

Again, and for the last time.

Warlock destroyed the Abstract M-bodys, (excluding Death * others)

the LT nullified this action and in doing so the Abstract M-bodys were re-created.

Can the IG erase Concepts? I'm sure it can.

but it didn't happen in this particular scenerio.

I wouldn't need to enlighten you if you just Read a Comic book before debating.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Warlock destroyed the Abstracts M-bodys but not the Concepts they represent.

I'm sure the Ig could destroy erase or do whatever it wants to any Abstract.

But in that particular incident, Warlock did NOT erase the Concepts they represent.

The only thing that makes sense is what happened On Panel.

Warlock destroyed the Abstract M-bodys.

The LT nullified Warlock's attack.

The Abstract M-bodys were re-created.

You're making fallacious calculations based on your ignorance.

Yea, mighty mouse > the LT.
(I'm sure you'l find some way to make sense out of it in your own head)

Again, and for the last time.

Warlock destroyed the Abstract M-bodys, (excluding Death * others)

the LT nullified this action and in doing so the Abstract M-bodys were re-created.

Can the IG erase Concepts? I'm sure it can.

but it didn't happen in this particular scenerio.

I wouldn't need to enlighten you if you just Read a Comic book before debating.

Your attempt is PATHETIC. Warlock either didn't have omnicience as the IG wielder, thus making the IG much weaker than thought, as he in anger would erase the abstracts, not thier mbodies, or dont' you think a God would kill the very being? Or He destroyed the abstracts and the lT brought them back with ease. thus showing that the LT is by far more powerful than he was in 85. either way I win. either the IG isnt' as powerful as one would have one believe since the user can't even mange to kill the very things the Omnicient uswer was trying to do, or the LT is far superior today. i take the ladder. the LT creates the abstracts with a wave of his hand. We know the Lt has power over the Abstracts that MM nor the PRBeyonder did. The abstracts are nothing to the LT.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Nah. I've seen it ... no big deal.

It's not about "if he was" ... Thanos WAS everything INSIDE the Omniverse:

[B]"I was Everything ... bonded to Omni-Reality"

Death survived because the Realm of Death is located OUTSIDE the Omniverse:

Yea the Fantastic Four travelled beyond the Omniverse into Heaven on panel,

they spoke with the God of Marvel ... 😮‍💨

Bigger than Thanos becoming everything withIn the Omniverse though?

heck NO! [/B]

Alright well what is your position on Thanos with thotu when he was suppose to sacrifice himself to remake the MU??? Since he absorbed LT, Eternity and others that would make Death owns them all and even Thanos right?

Lucifer went into the void and outside of the omniverse and debated to God about his plans. The Marvel Heaven was shown inside the MU not in the void.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Your attempt is PATHETIC. Warlock either didn't have omnicience as the IG wielder, thus making the IG much weaker than thought, as he in anger would erase the abstracts, not thier mbodies, or dont' you think a God would kill the very being? Or He destroyed the abstracts and the lT brought them back with ease. thus showing that the LT is by far more powerful than he was in 85. either way I win. either the IG isnt' as powerful as one would have one believe since the user can't even mange to kill the very things the Omnicient uswer was trying to do, or the LT is far superior today. i take the ladder. the LT creates the abstracts with a wave of his hand. We know the Lt has power over the Abstracts that MM nor the PRBeyonder did. The abstracts are nothing to the LT.

how bad does superman frustrate you, really? anyways lt is written more powerful today but back then beyonder was the man. beyonder was doing things that would make mr mxy drool.

Originally posted by kevdude
Alright well what is your position on Thanos with thotu when he was suppose to sacrifice himself to remake the MU??? Since he absorbed LT, Eternity and others that would make Death owns them all and even Thanos right?

Lucifer went into the void and outside of the omniverse and debated to God about his plans. The Marvel Heaven was shown inside the MU not in the void.

Originally posted by quanchi112
so what about lucifer. show me some scans of him pawning all the competition at once. show me something.

Why don't you stop asking questions and see if its true??? Go right now to the Lucifer respect thread or wiki.

Or go here

http://www.dcuguide.com/History_Home.php

Learn to do research.

Originally posted by kevdude
Why don't you stop asking questions and see if its true??? Go right now to the Lucifer respect thread or wiki.

Or go here

http://www.dcuguide.com/History_Home.php

Learn to do research.

😛

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Your attempt is PATHETIC. Warlock either didn't have omnicience as the IG wielder, thus making the IG much weaker than thought, as he in anger would erase the abstracts, not thier mbodies, or dont' you think a God would kill the very being? Or He destroyed the abstracts and the lT brought them back with ease. thus showing that the LT is by far more powerful than he was in 85. either way I win. either the IG isnt' as powerful as one would have one believe since the user can't even mange to kill the very things the Omnicient uswer was trying to do, or the LT is far superior today. i take the ladder. the LT creates the abstracts with a wave of his hand. We know the Lt has power over the Abstracts that MM nor the PRBeyonder did. The abstracts are nothing to the LT.

nuts

You're a waste of time.

Originally posted by Mr Master
nuts

You're a waste of time.

Originally posted by kevdude
Alright well what is your position on Thanos with thotu when he was suppose to sacrifice himself to remake the MU??? Since he absorbed LT, Eternity and others that would make Death owns them all and even Thanos right?

hum

The LT, Eternity and the others were withIn the Omniverse trying to battle Thanos.

Death was NEVER withIn Time & Space, (Reality/Omniverse)

Thanos ONlY absorbed the Time & Space of the Marvel Universe:

Thnaos did NOT absorb anything OUTSIDE of TIme & Space.

Originally posted by kevdude
Lucifer went into the void and outside of the omniverse and debated to God about his plans. The Marvel Heaven was shown inside the MU not in the void.

The Marvel Heaven was shown OUTSIDE of Reality.

The God of Marvel doesn't hang out in a Void, he chills in a drawing studio
creating everything that takes place in Marvel on paper with his collaborator.

Just cause in DC it was a Void, doesn't mean in Marvel it has to be the same.

Originally posted by Mr Master
hum

The LT, Eternity and the others were withIn the Omniverse trying to battle Thanos.

Death was NEVER withIn Time & Space, (Reality/Omniverse)

Thanos ONlY absorbed the Time & Space of the Marvel Universe:

Thnaos did NOT absorb anything OUTSIDE of TIme & Space.

The Marvel Heaven was shown OUTSIDE of Reality.

The God of Marvel doesn't hang out in a Void, he chills in a drawing studio
creating everything that takes place in Marvel on paper with his collaborator.

Just cause in DC it was a Void, doesn't mean in Marvel it has to be the same.

Originally posted by quanchi112
cuz i guarantee its not as impressive as thanos with the heart. i know there arent scnas becuz its argued based on theoretical evidence for the most part. show me a scan or concede in ur argument. burden of proof falls on u not me.

😛

Well the burden is not really on me its on you, you don't know what your talking about and i'm trying to point you in the right direction and you simply won't go. Just because you think your right doesn't mean you are.. 😉 If Death comes from The Source like everything does and Lucifer went to it and stood on its shoulder, do I really need to say more?

Originally posted by Mr Master
nuts

You're a waste of time.

Poor thing can't think his way out. the being 2nd only to God can't bring death back/ since the Lt " hasn't been retconned" according to you.

Originally posted by kevdude
Well the burden is not really on me its on you, you don't know what your talking about and i'm trying to point you in the right direction and you simply won't go. Just because you think your right doesn't mean you are.. 😉 If Death comes from The Source like everything does and Lucifer went to it and stood on its shoulder, do I really need to say more?

Originally posted by Mr Master
hum

The LT, Eternity and the others were withIn the Omniverse trying to battle Thanos.

Death was NEVER withIn Time & Space, (Reality/Omniverse)

Thanos ONlY absorbed the Time & Space of the Marvel Universe:

Thnaos did NOT absorb anything OUTSIDE of TIme & Space.

The Marvel Heaven was shown OUTSIDE of Reality.

The God of Marvel doesn't hang out in a Void, he chills in a drawing studio
creating everything that takes place in Marvel on paper with his collaborator.

Just cause in DC it was a Void, doesn't mean in Marvel it has to be the same.

Didn't TOAA/God tell the f4 thats how he looks to them?? He could look different to others.

Originally posted by quanchi112
u have seen thanos scans. it says he is supreme and he proves it on panel. u either have proof or u have hot air. when u find proof u may respond to me again.

ha funny kid, just trying to help you 🙄

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Poor thing can't think his way out.

You're confident while getting stomped post after post.

I gotta respect your shamelessness.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
the being 2nd only to God can't bring death back/ since the Lt " hasn't been retconned" according to you.

I never said the LT can't erase or re-create Death.

The LT could not bring back Death from the nullification Beyonder put on the Concept.

Why?

Because Beyonder >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LT.

Had a weaker being erased Death, I'm sure the LT could have fixed it.
But since it was Classic Beyonder ... ermmno

Originally posted by Mr Master
You're confident while getting stomped post after post.

I gotta respect your shamelessness.

I never said the LT can't erase or re-create Death.

The LT could not bring back Death from the nullification Beyonder put on the Concept.

Why?

Because Beyonder >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LT.

Had a weaker being erased Death, I'm sure the LT could have fixed it.
But since it was Classic Beyonder ... ermmno

The MM couldn't bring her back either. And The beyonder had to have someone sacrifice themselves if I am remembering. Obviously niether the beyonder nor the Mm were infinitely powerful. where as you have already stated that the LT is omnipotent. I am done with you. My point stands. The Lt is superior to either.