As much of a sundip as his body would allow....?
I don't get it. He spent millenia sundipping during DC 1 million...wouldn't it be better to say he will sundip for as long as Earth heroes can stand up to SBP?
SBP was supposed to be immune to Red Sun radiation from his origin, but that got either retconned or he has more resistance to it than E1 PC Supes had at the time.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Thing about SBP, he absorbs red solar energy faster than Supes does, AFAIK. So Supes would maintain his powers longer under a red sun than SBP would.
is that true?
Originally posted by Superboy Prime
As much of a sundip as his body would allow....?I don't get it. He spent millenia sundipping during DC 1 million...wouldn't it be better to say he will sundip for as long as Earth heroes can stand up to SBP?
SBP was supposed to be immune to Red Sun radiation from his origin, but that got either retconned or he has more resistance to it than E1 PC Supes had at the time.
k, supes gets... 1 hour sundip...
As far as I'm concerned that is not true. If anything SBP was shown to be resistant to red sun radiation during the crisis when E1 Supes and SBP were captured in a red sun bubble. E1 PC Supes was about to enter panic mode while SBP smashed through it saying "Apparentely it does not affect me." I paraphrased.
However Post Crisis Superman has shown multiple times that he can still put up a good fight even under a red sun.
So like I said earlier SBP was shown in his origin to had more resistance to it than PC Supes. Then in Infinite Crisis SBP loses his powers under red sun radiation. Granted he was smashed through the core of Rao, but still...
So in other words...I don't know, but a case can be made for both sides.
I just try to imagine how big a powerboost a sundipping hour will grant him. I mean...less then 5 minutes sundip had Supes moving planet sized objects...However it all depends on how long Supes can fight under this state.
SBP wins it IMO. I mean...another PC Superman agreed the only way to put an end to Emoboy Prime's rampancy was to smash him through the red sun and take away his powers.
One way for Superman to beat him is to speedblitz the crap out of SBP at the moment he comes out of the sun and have both of themselves smash through the red sun again. Now if this happens there are 3 possible scenarios:
1. They hit the planet completely powerless and Kal-El beats his ass again.
2. Superman's sundip manages to let Kal-El keep his powers longer than SBP.
3. They both float lifelessly in space after their powers are gone.
Under this particular scenario Superman is successful in saving earth from Superboy Prime even if it means losing his life. No big deal...it's Kal-El we're talking about he has been there and he has done that.
After reading through the pages I feel like adressing something...
I believe it was priest who said Kal-El was the better man when he defeated SBP at the end of Infnite Crisis.
Did you forget Kal-El was the only man in that fight? Superboy Prime being a powerless teenager taking on a weakened(but you can't really say HOW much) 30 year old man.
Both did well IMO. Kal-El won because he was physically stronger, more mature and experienced than SBP.
No shame in that. Do note Kal-El has survived having Kryptonite in his very own bloodstream. It's not like being surrounded in Knite will make him choke to death in a nanosecond.
Originally posted by quanchi112actually i can see Supes winning with an hour sundip.after only a few minutes sundip he managed to own brainiacs constructs that he and the rest of earth's heroes could not get past before and push Warworld which had lightspeed jets resisting him into a Time Tube into the Big Bang.
i see no one can argue against this as i thought. only way the man goes down here is if he is depowered.
Originally posted by Superherovandalsuperman would need more than an hour to stop sbp. hes precrisis. hes to much. this isnt precrisis supes so he definitely loses and needs backup like in infinite crisis and needs to depower sbp like before as well to stand a chance.
actually i can see Supes winning with an hour sundip.after only a few minutes sundip he managed to own brainiacs constructs that he and the rest of earth's heroes could not get past before and push Warworld which had lightspeed jets resisting him into a Time Tube into the Big Bang.
Originally posted by quanchi112
superman would need more than an hour to stop sbp. hes precrisis. hes to much. this isnt precrisis supes so he definitely loses and needs backup like in infinite crisis and needs to depower sbp like before as well to stand a chance.
Originally posted by quanchi112
prove it.
moves the sun with his breath
http://img74.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sadya6.jpg
"Supes easily threw a neutron star several light years away. He claims that the star weighed Trillions of tons and that it exerted a magnetic pull greater then Dozens of Super-Novas, but this didn't affect him in the slightest":
http://img292.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pc2mw9.jpg
Not a strength feat, but he's faster than Prime.
http://img292.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pc3kz3.jpg
http://img156.imageshack.us/my.php?image=11px9.gif
http://img120.imageshack.us/my.php?image=12tc8.gif
(Scans credited from Galan, and the Pre Crisis Superman respect thread.)
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Pre Crisis superman is the stongest of the stongest of the Supermen/Boys
now, all i've been reading in ur debates from u is "prove it" or "show me a scan", don't ask for scans and proof from other debtors if u cannot provide scans and proof yourself, it just makes u look foolish.
Also another tip, dont debate against a character that u have no clue about, e.g pre crisis superman.
Originally posted by Priestgive sbp time. i mean geez he doesnt have that many appearances. sbp destroyed the speed barrier. he moved planets so quick no one noticed. no one could stop him physically, hence the whole lets depower him to kill him. sbp was constanntly getting energy funnelled into him. he has the adavnatge and would win there to but it would be much closer imo.
moves planet with his breath.
http://img101.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pc1dc4.jpgmoves the sun with his breath
http://img74.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sadya6.jpg"Supes easily threw a neutron star several light years away. He claims that the star weighed Trillions of tons and that it exerted a magnetic pull greater then Dozens of Super-Novas, but this didn't affect him in the slightest":
http://img292.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pc2mw9.jpgNot a strength feat, but he's faster than Prime.
http://img292.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pc3kz3.jpghttp://img156.imageshack.us/my.php?image=11px9.gif
http://img120.imageshack.us/my.php?image=12tc8.gif
(Scans credited from Galan, and the Pre Crisis Superman respect thread.)
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Pre Crisis superman is the stongest of the stongest of the Supermen/Boys
now, all i've been reading in ur debates from u is "prove it" or "show me a scan", don't ask for scans and proof from other debtors if u cannot provide scans and proof yourself, it just makes u look foolish.
Also another tip, dont debate against a character that u have no clue about, e.g pre crisis superman.
Originally posted by quanchi112
give sbp time. i mean geez he doesnt have that many appearances.
Originally posted by quanchi112
sbp destroyed the speed barrier.
Originally posted by quanchi112
he moved planets so quick no one noticed.
Originally posted by quanchi112
no one could stop him physically, hence the whole lets depower him to kill him. sbp was constanntly getting energy funnelled into him. he has the adavnatge and would win there to but it would be much closer imo.
Why bother bringing Pre-Crisis Supes to the debate when there is no Pre-Crisis Supes in the actual fight.
Well...Sundipped Supes is an excuse to have Post Crisis Supes perform Pre Crisis level feats, but still...
A weakened SBP physically rearranged the DC universe to make Alexander Luthor's machine work...that's impressive. In fact he moved the planets so fast people didn't even notice it happened after it was over.
1 hour sundip might do it....it might not.
Originally posted by Priestu dont know that. u just speculate. sb wrekced the speed barrier and moved planets like nothing. give him some more appearances and we will see.
Quan is arguing that Prime is as power full as Pre Crisis Superman which is false.
we are off topic though and sbp crushes sundipped supes.
