To be clear that last battle in IC showed:
1) De-powered teen beating a de-powered old man to death.
2) De-powered adult in his (ahem) prime built like a brick wall beating teen into unconciousness.
3) De-powered adult collapsing from k-nite exposure.
For this batle, there're quite a few variables. Is Hourman the one who can stop time? Can Mary Marvel heal with Isis's powers? Just how powerful is current Supes? Can J'onn take him out via TP, or at least leave him open to a dogpile of Marvels & Kryptonians? Is Captain Marvel Freddy or Billy? Can the Marvels share with/powerup other teammates ("J'onn, say "Mary Marvel!"😉 Is Wonder Woman packing divine artifacts or just her lasso and bracelets? Is Powergirl back to Earth-2 power post IC? For that matter, why not sundip her & Super Girl too?
Prime is a beast, but he never feally faced a co-ordinated or sustained attack like this, and he's rather inexperienced.
Originally posted by Laminator_Xsbp is rather inexperienced and thats why he lost in infinite crisis. he didnt see it coming. but u have to admit he faced a lot of green lanterns,heroes,and 2 superman to take him down. thats one helluva team there.
To be clear that last battle in IC showed:1) De-powered teen beating a de-powered old man to death.
2) De-powered adult in his (ahem) prime built like a brick wall beating teen into unconciousness.
3) De-powered adult collapsing from k-nite exposure.
For this batle, there're quite a few variables. Is Hourman the one who can stop time? Can Mary Marvel heal with Isis's powers? Just how powerful is current Supes? Can J'onn take him out via TP, or at least leave him open to a dogpile of Marvels & Kryptonians? Is Captain Marvel Freddy or Billy? Can the Marvels share with/powerup other teammates ("J'onn, say "Mary Marvel!"😉 Is Wonder Woman packing divine artifacts or just her lasso and bracelets? Is Powergirl back to Earth-2 power post IC? For that matter, why not sundip her & Super Girl too?
Prime is a beast, but he never feally faced a co-ordinated or sustained attack like this, and he's rather inexperienced.
Originally posted by quanchi112
sbp is rather inexperienced and thats why he lost in infinite crisis. he didnt see it coming. but u have to admit he faced a lot of green lanterns,heroes,and 2 superman to take him down. thats one helluva team there.
Why not? It is possible they didn't sundip back then because:
1. They did not need to given their exagerated power set
2. The concept of sundip was not alive then
IMO if they have Kryptonian DNA they should. They still get their power from a yellow sun. Heck I'd argue PC kryptonians can "sundip" without being anywhere near the sun using SBP as an example. He was weak inside Alexander's heaven because of the lack of a yellow sun...once he broke free he was moving planets across the DCverse and destroying the Speed Force, shattering the phantom zone etc.
SBP is highly inexperienced. He was created strictly for the Crisis on Infinite Earths and then got dumped in Alexander's heaven until Infinite Crisis.
He is not experienced at all. That is why he was so dangerous...he was not trying to kill the Titans and yet he still did. He showed a lack of control over his powers once his emotions became unstable.
Originally posted by Superboy Primebut he made atrocious errors. to call sbp experienced is like admitting i know nothing of the character. he can do a quick wikipedia search on his own or maybe search his respect thread. dont know if he has one on here.
It is human to error, Quanchi. If anything I'd rather have him stay in this so he can learn more about SBP. That's what I do in a thread where I don't know much about a certain character, but that's just me anyway.
Originally posted by quanchi112
sbp is rather inexperienced and thats why he lost in infinite crisis. he didnt see it coming. but u have to admit he faced a lot of green lanterns,heroes,and 2 superman to take him down. thats one helluva team there.
Hell of a team, but up until the very end they weren't really co-ordinated. The GL-squad basically waited for him out in space and then said "Get Him!" when he broke through their wall (which was a lame idea in 3-dimensional outer space in any case, that's what they get for putting Guy in a leadership position). Except for the final super-throwdown, each engagement had Prime smashing heads like a bull in a china-shop and most-everyone else just reacting to that.
J'onn's presence here is a huge change from IC. The good-guys here now know what they're up against and have a great planner-coordinator in their midst.
Originally posted by Laminator_Xu make good points. it was all sudden reaction to sbp flying away and them doing what they could to slow him down. it wasnt very coordinated but it was still a helluva force for an inexpereinced sbp to mow down. until they depowered him those rats.
Hell of a team, but up until the very end they weren't really co-ordinated. The GL-squad basically waited for him out in space and then said "Get Him!" when he broke through their wall (which was a lame idea in 3-dimensional outer space in any case, that's what they get for putting Guy in a leadership position). Except for the final super-throwdown, each engagement had Prime smashing heads like a bull in a china-shop and most-everyone else just reacting to that.J'onn's presence here is a huge change from IC. The good-guys here now know what they're up against and have a great planner-coordinator in their midst.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
I'm not sure Powergirl can sundip, maybe I'm wrong.
I don't know. So far, I think Clark's been the only one with the guts to try it.
Welcome back Laminator. 😄 Where you been?
Why thanks TP. I actually had a temporarily (thank goodness) crippling accident back in the spring and have just recently gotten back to my old-self (ok, I'm still limping a bit). It's good to be back.
Originally posted by Laminator_X
I don't know. So far, I think Clark's been the only one with the guts to try it.Why thanks TP. I actually had a temporarily (thank goodness) crippling accident back in the spring and have just recently gotten back to my old-self (ok, I'm still limping a bit). It's good to be back.
Ouch. 🙁 Get well soon dude. 🙂 And ignore Quanchi, he's an idiot. 😛