Superboy Prime Vs...

Originally posted by Laminator_X
I'd say no to sundipped Supes by himself. His top-end move was moving a planet, which SBP seens to do with less effort (although warworld had engines). Also, even with the gradual powerup he got running up to IC, he never had the full Silver Age whackiness that SBP seems to preserve.

I think Darkseid could win via the Omega Effect (as long as Loeb isn't writing 😉 ) Even if he couldn't disintigrate him, he could drop him into the middle of a Red Sun without any momentum to carry him out like when they flew through Rao at super-speed. Roasted. (I consider the breakout of the red solar sphere in CoIE to be anomalous, based on red Sun depowering him twice in IC, even of one was off-panel) Though that is a win by depowering him, it's not really something he could prevent with his powers either. Darkseid could probably trick SBP into getting stuck in the Source Wall fairly easily as well. SBP is rather naive
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Orion just might be able to take him head on. He's one of the very few I'd even consider. The New Gods didn't get de-powered after CoIE (although various writers put them all over the map), and the Dog of War sits near the top of that food-chain. Of particular note I would refer to PC Superboy and Supergirl getting shown up by Orion when they all faced Darkseid.

orion i think of him as getting worse with time. he is going down to darkseid by handwaves in countdown i hear. that is very very bad for the dog of war.

i feel sbp could steamroll over them both. not at once but separately. i could see darkseid manipulating him in astory but not in a kmc forum here.

That's what's tricky about the New Gods. From one writer to the next there's very little consistency in their power-levels. As you describe them, no they couldn't do much. OTOH, at other times and with other writers, they've been portrayed as far more powerful, both before and after the Crisis. I generally look at Kirby's work to be definitive, but that's hardly the only valid perspective.

Remember too that Superman was getting more and more Pre-Crisis-ish as IC approached. Both he and other characters commented on the change.

Darkseid in particular has been playing the role of Chump to be Beaten to Build Somebody Up quite a lot recently. He also tends to sometimes forget that he can teleport people. Jobberseid certainly could not touch SBP.

Originally posted by Laminator_X
That's what's tricky about the New Gods. From one writer to the next there's very little consistency in their power-levels. As you describe them, no they couldn't do much. OTOH, at other times and with other writers, they've been portrayed as far more powerful, both before and after the Crisis. I generally look at Kirby's work to be definitive, but that's hardly the only valid perspective.

Remember too that Superman was getting more and more Pre-Crisis-ish as IC approached. Both he and other characters commented on the change.

Darkseid in particular has been playing the role of Chump to be Beaten to Build Somebody Up quite a lot recently. He also tends to sometimes forget that he can teleport people. Jobberseid certainly could not touch SBP.

superman in dc will always ruin the fun as he usually is always the center of attention and ruins it for other characters to grab a portion of the pspotlight from time to time.

im ranting now but anyways i feel with the raw power that sbp was shown to have had in ic that he could definitely take it to darkseid. im not sure how he is portrayed in sinestro corps as i wont read it until its finished.

Originally posted by quanchi112
the only reason he lost in infinite crisis is becuz he was depowered. thats it.

doh you're missing the point...

Originally posted by Validus
That was totally different. Everytime they hit each other, they experienced life in the other persons shoes. Doesn't say anything for how strong they are.

other than the fact that they were hitting each other pretty hard? 😛

Originally posted by pr1983
doh you're missing the point...

other than the fact that they were hitting each other pretty hard? 😛

Originally posted by quanchi112
ok tell me ur point again.

ok, they fly through the sun and hit mogo, and are all weakened... now, if i'm wrong then i'll admit it, but wasnt earth 1 superman weakened by both the kryptonite AND the red sun radiation, while the others were weakened by either one or the other? by that logic wouldnt earth 1 superman be weaker (power-wise) than the other two?

i'm not disputing that with both men equally powerless, kal should stomp prime...

about taking his powers being the only way to beat him, i don't agree with that at all... if it was true, then to me thats a pretty crappy character...

now sbp is in the sinestro corps, and somebody is going to have to take him down, and i sincerely doubt geoff johns is going to do the exact same thing that they did in IC... we havent really seen prime fight superman while both men were powered, so gauging how the fight would go is (like alot of things on this forum) purely speculation... i'm not denying prime is powerful, but hasn't it been said on several occasions that superman has limitless strength? i'm sure he can at the very least put up a fight against prime...

it might not be superman alone, but i can see him and several others playing a part, and succeeding...

Originally posted by pr1983
ok, they fly through the sun and hit mogo, and are all weakened... now, if i'm wrong then i'll admit it, but wasnt earth 1 superman weakened by both the kryptonite AND the red sun radiation, while the others were weakened by either one or the other? by that logic wouldnt earth 1 superman be weaker than the other two?

i'm not disputing that with both men equally powerless, kal should stomp prime...

about taking his powers being the only way to beat him, i don't agree with that at all... if it was true, then to me thats a pretty crappy character...

now sbp is in the sinestro corps, and somebody is going to have to take him down, and i sincerely doubt geoff johns is going to do the exact same thing that they did in IC... we havent really seen prime fight superman while both men were powered, so gauging how the fight would go is (like alot of things on this forum) purely speculation... i'm not denying prime is powerful, but hasn't it been said on several occasions that superman has limitless strength? i'm sure he can at the very least put up a fight against prime...

it might not be superman alone, but i can see him and several others playing a part, and succeeding...

im very interested to download sinestro corps after its finished and give it a good read. i feel that all the characters must be depowered from the first big threats to the universe becuz it sems like overkill to unite all these baddies. but i wont know until i read it. i cant wait as it looks very good.

Originally posted by quanchi112
ok i dont mean that the only way to defeat him is to depower him but that is the only way the supermen beat him. you could get stronger forces together or attach a plot device to superman like usual. trust me i hate superman and it disgusts me how hes the star all the time. it takes away from other characters. but it is what it is.

and at the same time you consider superman>darkseid?

im very interested to download sinestro corps after its finished and give it a good read. i feel that all the characters must be depowered from the first big threats to the universe becuz it sems like overkill to unite all these baddies. but i wont know until i read it. i cant wait as it looks very good.

dude, if you can afford it, i highly recommend buying it... it's been nothing short of awesome so far, and it looks like its only going to get better...

question... green lantern rings can't kill right? what about someone like henshaw? in karu-sil's origin it showed the GL that found her killing her pack, so it seems to me that there are loopholes...

Originally posted by pr1983
and at the same time you consider superman>darkseid?

dude, if you can afford it, i highly recommend buying it... it's been nothing short of awesome so far, and it looks like its only going to get better...

question... green lantern rings can't kill right? what about someone like henshaw? in karu-sil's origin it showed the GL that found her killing her pack, so it seems to me that there are loopholes...

there are always loopholes in comics. crazy retcons and what now. once u think u know some writer shells something out to make u feel like u only think u know.

Originally posted by quanchi112
i only think superman is greater than darkseid anymore if his omega effect fails. ds cant take a punch like superman. i feel ds is still more powerful than supes but that supes can and has beaten him more frequently in the past 6 years as opposed to decades ago.

there are always loopholes in comics. crazy retcons and what now. once u think u know some writer shells something out to make u feel like u only think u know.

i just don't get how you seem so covinced that superman would beat darkseid but he'd have no chance against prime...

but these are all recent events by the same writer... geoff johns shows karu-sil's pack being killed, yet barely three comics later shows green lanterns being told that their ring won't use lethal force...

Originally posted by pr1983
i just don't get how you seem so covinced that superman would beat darkseid but he'd have no chance against prime...

but these are all recent events by the same writer... geoff johns shows karu-sil's pack being killed, yet barely three comics later shows green lanterns being told that their ring won't use lethal force...

maybe geoff johns is bipolar?

It's a piece of recurring PIS that Darkseid doesn't drop more enemies down black holes and the like. He looses because he's the badguy.

Originally posted by Laminator_X
It's a piece of recurring PIS that Darkseid doesn't drop more enemies down black holes and the like. He looses because he's the badguy.

The man has one-shotted the PC JLA. Nuff ****ing said. 😎 And IMO, he could take SBP even in a fistfight. Darkseid was stronger than PC Mongul.

I swear to god, if 'Death of the New Gods' is crap and they screw up any chance of them returning, I'm dropping DC. ❌

Originally posted by quanchi112
i just feel sbp would really lay into darkseid. i mean we saw how easily doomsday tore him about. remember when raker thrashed him becuz he denied ds access to him omega beams. supes thumped him in apokolips now and we all know sbp is precrisis so of course we can assume he gets thumped harder than superman did.

maybe geoff johns is bipolar?

doomsday is a special case... the guy killed superman and an oan guardian...

sorry i just don't agree that prime is a full on pre crisis superman... i don't think there's room for that in a modern DC...

johns at this point in time seems to basically run DC... Green Lantern, JSA, Action Comics, Booster Gold etc... he even seems to have creative control of the Sinestro Corps, which is one of the best events i've seen in quite a while...

Originally posted by Laminator_X
It's a piece of recurring PIS that Darkseid doesn't drop more enemies down black holes and the like. He looses because he's the badguy.

also a point that needs to be considered...

Originally posted by Laminator_X
It's a piece of recurring PIS that Darkseid doesn't drop more enemies down black holes and the like. He looses because he's the badguy.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
The man has one-shotted the PC JLA. Nuff ****ing said. 😎 And IMO, he could take SBP even in a fistfight. Darkseid was stronger than PC Mongul.

I swear to god, if 'Death of the New Gods' is crap and they screw up any chance of them returning, I'm dropping DC. ❌

darkseid cant take superman in a fistfight anymore he relies to heavily on his omega effect. without it he loses to superman and should lose.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
The man has one-shotted the PC JLA. Nuff ****ing said. 😎 And IMO, he could take SBP even in a fistfight. Darkseid was stronger than PC Mongul.

I swear to god, if 'Death of the New Gods' is crap and they screw up any chance of them returning, I'm dropping DC. ❌

Actually the guy writing has already hinted that DC will be bringing them back batter than before. They are just doing away with the Kirby stuff. DC owns the names and is planning something big for them in the future. Right now, they do kinda suck tho. Those costumes are lame ass shit and some of them are just dumb. Come on. A guy on ski's and a girl with scarves for weapons?

Originally posted by TheEyesoGOD
Actually the guy writing has already hinted that DC will be bringing them back batter than before. They are just doing away with the Kirby stuff. DC owns the names and is planning something big for them in the future. Right now, they do kinda suck tho. Those costumes are lame ass shit and some of them are just dumb. Come on. A guy on ski's and a girl with scarves for weapons?

Originally posted by quanchi112
darkseid also loses becuz he isnt as powerful as he was written before, u called him jobbersied yourself. so you yourself cant say that everytime he loses its pis. darkseid cant win them all.

It's PIS and/or jobbery because he should be winning most of them.

Originally posted by Laminator_X
It's PIS and/or jobbery because he should be winning most of them.