Originally posted by Juntai
Fair enough, but he didn't actually battle a IG wielder was what I was getting at there.
Well Warlock attacked the LT with full fury,
and the LT getured with one hand and nullified Warlock's IG attack.
That was only a gesture.
Originally posted by Juntai
My point about the ordeal was that most of LT's power is extrapolation or off panel or random claim.
The LT isn't shown using force too much because he's too powerful.
Most cats know to submit to his will before he gestures.
Originally posted by Juntai
Spectre's done amazing things on panel.
So has LT.
Originally posted by Juntai
But part of that I fully understand is the nature of the charaters in general. Their jobs to speak.
Well his word is Law in Marvel.
Originally posted by Juntai
But why we're at it, why would TOAA say that he REPRESENTS a higher power?
It was Eternity who said it:
"Let it be known, the power the LT represents will never allow the Gems to work in unison"
Anyways I was wrong about this being in the IG saga.
This is actually from Infinity War (follow up to the IG arc)
Yo.
Originally posted by Tazer
did U also happen to forget that when (IIRC) Fate & Deadman went to go get him they found being held down by a force that seemed to come FROM him?
I was incorrect here: theres no statement in COIE #11 like this, just PS commenting that his power will be denied them.
Tazer
Originally posted by Air LegendYou honestly believe Spectre and Mxy didn't recreate the Universe, but rather Mxy and Superman were the culprits? lol
Except for the fact that Mr. Mxy said "I think WE kicked the old the old record in the can!" and then Superman replies "I guess WE did. The whole universe. I still can't fathom it." 😬
This would mean that every thread Superman has been involved in, is complete spite... I mean you're basically saying that the guy can help reconstruct a Universe in it's entirety.
Sounds a bit silly, especially when at the bottom of the scan Mxy says,
"As soon as CASPER gives the word, time ticks from the point of disruption... Everything back to normal"
Originally posted by Galan007
You honestly believe Spectre and Mxy didn't recreate the Universe, but rather Mxy and Superman were the culprits? lol
Hell yes 😖hifty: Respect Superman lol.
Originally posted by Galan007
This would mean that every thread Superman has been involved in, is complete spite... I mean you're basically saying that the guy can help reconstruct a Universe in it's entirety.
MXY was being humble when he said we. Supes just happened to be there when MXY did it by himself. 😖hifty:
Originally posted by Galan007
Sounds a bit silly, especially when at the bottom of the scan Mxy says,"As soon as CASPER gives the word, time ticks from the point of disruption... Everything back to normal"
There's MXY being humble again acting as if the Spectre had something to do with it. 😖hifty:
And as this scan clearly shows, Spectre is > LT.
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[You'll get the purpose of the above smilie, after you see that scan].
Originally posted by Galan007
And as [b]this scan clearly shows, Spectre is > LT.evillaugh
[You'll get the purpose of the above smilie, after you see that scan]. [/B]
Originally posted by Galan007
And as [b]this scan clearly shows, Spectre is > LT.evillaugh
[You'll get the purpose of the above smilie, after you see that scan]. [/B]
Originally posted by Galan007
And as [b]this scan clearly shows, Spectre is > LT.evillaugh
[You'll get the purpose of the above smilie, after you see that scan]. [/B]
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Originally posted by TricksterPriesti acre not for your speculations. either prove it or not. im sure u wont. fact remains am wasnt comatose after their encounter while the other was out cold.
The obvious connotation of Spectre's 'coma' is plain to see. A higher power is orchestrating it. IE: THE PRESENCE TOLD HIM TO STAY DOWN! Meaning, the Presence probably only wanted Spectre to stop AM from smashing the positive matter universes and to let the rest of the heroes finish AM off.
Originally posted by Air Legendi dont believe spectre helped him other than advised him.
Hell yes 😖hifty: Respect Superman lol.MXY was being humble when he said we. Supes just happened to be there when MXY did it by himself. 😖hifty:
There's MXY being humble again acting as if the Spectre had something to do with it. 😖hifty:
mxy is to humble to accpet all the glory.
Yo.
Originally posted by quanchi112
i acre not for your speculations. either prove it or not. im sure u wont. fact remains am wasnt comatose after their encounter while the other was out cold.
by this same token, U have to prove that AM renderd Spec insensate as he was, since its only yur opinion that he did so.
Tazer
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
There's a difference between having infinite power and being omnipotent . Apparently you haven't actually understood what the person in the scan wanted to say when he made that analogy so let me elaborate it for you . Let's just say that there is a person who has infinite control over Gravity (The 1,2,3,4 example) and that there's also a person who has infinite control over Electromagnetism (The 2,4,6,8 example) . Now , if another person exists that has infinite control over the four fundamental forces (The whole numbers example), those being Gravity , Electromagnetism the Strong and Weak nuclear force than this being surpasses the other 2 beings since it encomasses their powers also .
In order to be omnipotent it means that your power must be all-encompassing , to include all areas .
I can easily prove that the cosmic cubes aren't omnipotent since they don't have infinite power over certain areas . I can also prove that Infinity Gauntley doesn't mean omnipotence since it's inferior to someone and also doesn't have control over all aspects .On the other side , it's quite easily to prove that Spectre had total and infinite control over everything because [B]The Presence/God
stated it :"His power once limitless , is now dormant , untapped (reffering to Pre-Crisis)"
"Yours was the Power Omnipotent"
"Indeed your Power Omnipotent was so great , so All-Encompassing"
It's not that hard to comprehend . [/B]
My point was, you said that he wins because he has infiniity power, and now when I added scan´s confirming that even lesser being have been confirmed on panel to have infinity power, that arguement failed.
And if you talk about omnipotent like in Presence or TOAA´s power, I would say, No, simply no, because the Presence and TOAA don´t struggle to defeat anything, simply think it out of existance.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Quanchi loses.
Spectre h/ wizards and Anti-Monitor vs the Living Tribunal and Thanos w/ IG
And since I belive that Spectre only at his prime can take on the Living Tribunal a standstill.
Second in Marvel = Second in DC
- Before getting posted, I say.
Don´t compare them to school´s, because TOAA and Presence are one with everything, all being are but aspects (parts) of them.
And if not, I would like 7 DC Omniversal destroyers who have feats revaling those of the Marvel hierarchy.
Living Tribunal = Spectre w/ Source
IMO Marvel wins.
Originally posted by Galan007
You were correct about this as well Jun... Both Mxy and Spectre rebuilt the Universe in it's entirety:Remember that they not only had to restructure the very fabric of reality, but conceptual places that Joker warped as well, [ie. Hell].
- All it does is showing how badass Joker was with Mxy´s power.
And how great those was.
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
I can easily prove that the cosmic cubes aren't omnipotent since they don't have infinite power over certain areas .
A Cosmic Cube can take out the Marvel Omniverse. (twice on panel)
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
I can also prove that Infinity Gauntley doesn't mean omnipotence since it's inferior to someone and also doesn't have control over all aspects .
The IG makes the wielder omnipotent, makes the wielder God over Reality.
Only the LT has been confirmed to be above the IG.
The CCU, IG & THOTI all make you basically God, but even they have their scale:
1. HOTI
2. IG
3. CCU
There are other items and/or sources of power that make one basically God:
Excalibur Sword & Amulet of Right (together)
Omniversal Energy Matrix
Edifex Rex's Cosmic globe
Omniversal Nexus
Reed's mind 131
and perhaps a few others that don't come to mind.
Originally posted by Galan007Sweet, then at no point was I wrong, and my memory served me right. 🙂
You were correct about this as well Jun... Both Mxy and Spectre rebuilt the Universe in it's entirety:Remember that they not only had to restructure the very fabric of reality, but conceptual places that Joker warped as well, [ie. Hell].
