Originally posted by TricksterPriest
No, you find out what the hell YOU are talking about. 👇 Neither the IG nor the UN are capable of bringing down the AM, let alone Spectre. Learn to read some god damn DC comics before you start spewing bullshit here.
Originally posted by darthgooberu really believe the spectre could defeat thanos with the ig?
Trick, AM never even had the power of a full multiverse backing him, and he didn't destroy the Multiverse under his own power, so either the IG OR the UN could take him down. I'm not saying that DC loses this, but if they win it'll be because of the Spectre, not the AM.
Yo.
Originally posted by quanchi112
ok point taken. i read it now. so that is why the spectre didnt kill him. but why did the spectre not come back into the fold after he could be killed without kiling the heroes? why did spectre choose to not get involved then?
as others have said previously, the Presence punished Spec for not using his power wisely so that might have had something to do w/it.
it is noted in #12 that he resisted any attempts to be awoken by his own power, and not some other force.
Tazer
Yo.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Trick AM never even had the power of a full multiverse backing him, and he didn't destroy the Multiverse under his own power, so either the IG OR the UN could take him down. I'm not saying that DC loses this, but if they win it'll be because of the Spectre, not the AM.
technically, I think U can say he did. in CoIE #10 we find out that it wasnt Paraiahs experiment "by converting the anti-matter into energy which he focused into his universe and destroying all of its worlds and gathering even more energy. then he was powerful enuff to break free of his prison, and spread his rule." this is stated by the AM.
so he did in-fact wipe out 99% of the multiverse on his won, with the last holdout being compacted after "the Creation Clash" at the end of CoIE #10.
Tazer
Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.technically, I think U can say he did. in CoIE #10 we find out that it wasnt Paraiahs experiment "by converting the anti-matter into energy which he focused into his universe and destroying all of its worlds and gathering even more energy. then he was powerful enuff to break free of his prison, and spread his rule." this is stated by the AM.
so he did in-fact wipe out 99% of the multiverse on his won, with the last holdout being compacted after "the Creation Clash" at the end of CoIE #10.
Tazer
Yo.
Originally posted by darthgoober
No AM utilized tech all the way up until he absorbed the Anti Matter Universe, so he didn't destroy it under his own power.
if he took control of the anti-matter released by Paraiahs experiment, but BEFORE he was freed entirely from the stasis effect both he and Monitor trappd each other in, he wouldnt have had access to *any tech* would he?
so then that would mean he DID do so under his own power.
Tazer
Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.if he took control of the anti-matter released by Paraiahs experiment, but BEFORE he was freed entirely from the stasis effect both he and Monitor trappd each other in, he wouldnt have had access to *any tech* would he?
so then that would mean he DID do so under his own power.
Tazer
Originally posted by darthgooberi still have yet to see spectre doing anything on par with what thanos did and was capabale if with these gems. it made him so powerful it was kinda cheap. he could think u out of existence. thanos derived all his power from these gems whereas spectre derived power from various sorcerers and what not in this story. whats to stop thanos from killing those sorcerer with a thought.
His more current version at full power he could, but according to Galan and Juntai Spectre wasn't as powerful during COIE as he is now, so I'm not sure about that version.
spectre has nowhere to tap the power he needs to be able to even make a respectable showing against thanos and thus loses badly.
Originally posted by darthgoober
No AM utilized tech all the way up until he absorbed the Anti Matter Universe, so he didn't destroy 99% of the multiverse with his own power.
Goober, you've been spreading this BS since before I got to this forum.
So I'm finally gonna put a stop to it.
Here we see the AM destroy the central battery. A major power feat.
The Guardians are just now senseing the imposing danger to ALL that is....
"We need the complete Green Lantern Corps...... And even then, I fear for our success!".
Anti-Monitor speaks to the Guardians, and blasts them away like children. He did this through their own power source 😂:
The AM realizes that his power expands with the death of each positive matter universe.
"Anti-Monitor realized that as each Positive-Matter Universe died, he would grow more powerful."
"Nothing could stop him........ NOTHING":
Galan's own opinion on the matter and reason why he is correct.
Originally posted by Galan007
Every Positive-Matter Universe AM destroyed, was accomplished by him harnessing the Anti-Matter force itself, and spreading it across the Universes.There is not one mention of him actually using tech to destroy/absorb a single Universe throughout the entire COIE arch.
The only time AM was going to use tech to destroy any Universes, was when he created his super-canon, this however, was destroyed before it could even be used.
So in answer to your question, every Universe AM destroyed/absorbed, was done under his own power.
Anyone who says differently is speaking out of pure speculation, as there is no evidence to the contrary....
Originally posted by Galan007
I just needed to squash this rumor that I heard a while ago....The Machine Towers that form on every World, in every Time-Line, in every Universe that AM destroys, do not aide in his absorption of that Planet/Universe at all!
They simply release his Shadow-Minions from the Anti-Matter Universe onto that World:
The Towers are more of a gateway between Universes then anything.
If AM wasn't powerful enough to destroy universes, why did Alexander Luthor jr. use his corpse as the central core of his tower?
Why does Countdown credit the AM with the destruction of the multiverse?
Originally posted by Galan007
Ok, so here's those Countdown scans...They actually shed more light as to how many Universes AM destroyed, [Monitor stated that the Multiverse contained an infinite amount of Universes], and AM nearly destroyed them all.
They also show us how powerful Spectre was during his confrontation with AM:
Ohhh, and I still believe Alex Luthor was needed in some way to defeat AM...
"Darkseid focused a near lethal blast through Alex Luthor, that disabled AM":
If Darky alone was truly enough to defeat AM, he wouldn't have needed Luthor at all.
And Tazer's analysis seems very interesting. I think he may be right. 😉
Originally posted by TricksterPriestwhy dont u use phototbucket becuz imageshack is horrible. utterly dreadful and takes forever.
Goober, you've been spreading this BS since before I got to this forum.So I'm finally gonna put a stop to it.
Here we see the AM destroy the central battery. A major power feat.
The Guardians are just now senseing the imposing danger to ALL that is...."We need the [b]complete
Green Lantern Corps...... And even then, I fear for our success!".Anti-Monitor speaks to the Guardians, and blasts them away like children. He did this through their own power source 😂:
The AM realizes that his power expands with the death of each positive matter universe.
"Anti-Monitor realized that as each Positive-Matter Universe died, he would grow more powerful.""Nothing could stop him........ NOTHING":
Galan's own opinion on the matter and reason why he is correct.
If AM wasn't powerful enough to destroy universes, why did Alexander Luthor jr. use his corpse as the central core of his tower?
Why does Countdown credit the AM with the destruction of the multiverse?
And Tazer's analysis seems very interesting. I think he may be right. 😉 [/B]
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Goober, you've been spreading this BS since before I got to this forum.So I'm finally gonna put a stop to it.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Here we see the AM destroy the central battery. A major power feat.
The Guardians are just now senseing the imposing danger to ALL that is...."We need the [b]complete
Green Lantern Corps...... And even then, I fear for our success!".Anti-Monitor speaks to the Guardians, and blasts them away like children. He did this through their own power source 😂:
The AM realizes that his power expands with the death of each positive matter universe.
"Anti-Monitor realized that as each Positive-Matter Universe died, he would grow more powerful."
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Galan's own opinion on the matter and reason why he is correct.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
If AM wasn't powerful enough to destroy universes, why did Alexander Luthor jr. use his corpse as the central core of his tower?
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Why does Countdown credit the AM with the destruction of the multiverse?
I'll break this down in as simple a manner as possible. If AM had accomplished his goal and destroyed the Multiverse, he would have been equal to Multi Eternity(who ALSO has the power of a multiverse), and seeing as how either the IG or the UN can take out Multi Eternity then either should easily decimate the AM who's 5 universes shy of that level of power.
Originally posted by darthgoobergood job on refuting his claims.
Ok you're welcome to try....Ok maybe I'm blind, but I didn't see him destroy a universe there...
And Galan's welcome to his opinion. But the thing is that it's even MORE speculation to assume that AM did it under his own power. Think about it, if AM started off powerful enough to destroy a universe on his own and grew more powerful with the destruction of each universe(and supposedly destroyed and infinite number of them), then why the Hell did he need a damn cannon to take out the remaining five?
I didn't say that he wasn't powerful enough to destroy a universe at the hight of his power, I said up until he absorbed the Anti Matter Universe(which was before Alex used his corpse obviously).
Probably the same reason that people are charged with murder rather than the guns they use to commit the murder.
Yo.
Originally posted by darthgoober
They were stalemated but I don't remember him being in stasis when Paraiah's universe was destroyed. If you have a scan to show that though, I'll be happy to take a look.
ask, and ye shall recieve is my motto. 😄
ok, so the following show the genesis of the Monitors, their battle across the dimensions, them knocking each other out, and Paraiah waking up AM due to his experiment:
and for those who want/need to see it, heres AM telling Paraiah that he essential had no part in the destruction of his universe, as it was *HE* who manipulated it even while in stasis:
and heres how easy the early Oans take down the likes of a Faceless Hunter, Ultra-Humanite, Validus, the Emerald Empress, Star Sapphire, and Sinestro, ALL of whom have *very strong* mental capabilities.
and lastly, here Krona *killing* Mirror Master, the Icicle, and Maaldor (which says something since Malldor had the power that was (in all previous experiences) 2 steps from being like Classic Odins:
man, its a shame they dont write Oans like this anymore......
Tazer
Yo.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Ok maybe I'm blind, but I didn't see him destroy a universe there...
becuz he only showed U a part of that page telling the tale; Ive linked the full page below.
Originally posted by darthgoober
And Galan's welcome to his opinion. But the thing is that it's even MORE speculation to assume that AM did it under his own power. Think about it, if AM started off powerful enough to destroy a universe on his own and grew more powerful with the destruction of each universe(and supposedly destroyed and infinite number of them), then why the Hell did he need a damn cannon to take out the remaining five?
its not speculation, as we see in my post below.
and for the record just becuz a being uses an external device to commit/perform an action doesnt necessarily mean that they themself cant do it, for it that were true then Galactus cant eat a planet by himself and HAS TO USE parts of his World Ship to do the deed.
but we all know thats not true, right? welp, the same principle applies here.
Originally posted by darthgoober
I didn't say that he wasn't powerful enough to destroy a universe at the hight of his power, I said up until he absorbed the Anti Matter Universe(which was before Alex used his corpse obviously).
he wasnt at the height of his power when Paraiahs universe was wiped out; far from it actually.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Probably the same reason that people are charged with murder rather than the guns they use to commit the murder.I'll break this down in as simple a manner as possible. If AM had accomplished his goal and destroyed the Multiverse, he would have been equal to Multi Eternity(who ALSO has the power of a multiverse), and seeing as how either the IG or the UN can take out Multi Eternity then either should easily decimate the AM who's 5 universes shy of that level of power.
AM destroyed all BUT 5 universes on his own, and then thru his actions cause the elimination of 4 of them as separate realms.
he didnt eat them, but theyre no longer separate & distinct planes, and ithe arguments could be made that in the clash at the Creation Point when the 5 'verses were reformed into 1, that AM prolly got STRONGER since (as stated before) the A-'verse expanded to fill the space left behind.
Tazer
Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.ask, and ye shall recieve is my motto. 😄
ok, so the following show the genesis of the Monitors, their battle across the dimensions, them knocking each other out, and Paraiah waking up AM due to his experiment:
and for those who want/need to see it, heres AM telling Paraiah that he essential had no part in the destruction of his universe, as it was *HE* who manipulated it even while in stasis:
and heres how easy the early Oans take down the likes of a Faceless Hunter, Ultra-Humanite, Validus, the Emerald Empress, Star Sapphire, and Sinestro, ALL of whom have *very strong* mental capabilities.
and lastly, here Krona *killing* Mirror Master, the Icicle, and Maaldor (which says something since Malldor had the power that was (in all previous experiences) 2 steps from being like Classic Odins:
man, its a shame they dont write Oans like this anymore......
Tazer
Haha! At last, conclusive proof to lay the lie to rest. This is going to AM's respect thread.
Originally posted by Tazer
and for those who want/need to see it, heres AM telling Paraiah that he essential had no part in the destruction of his universe, as it was *HE* who manipulated it even while in stasis:
In the first scan,
AM also admits he used Pariah's experiment to convert Anti-Matter into energy
in order to destroy his universe, absorb it and become more powerful.
Sounds like tech.
In the second scan,
AM says, he's going to use him to destroy all existing life.
Sounds like the aid of another.
Just sayin from reading those specific scans.
