Yo.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Yeah there's a couple problems with your assessment of the story.First of all, there's no real proof that the Anti Monitor was unconscious when Paraiah's universe was destroyed. Paraiah THOUGHT he woke up when his universe was destroyed, but then again he also thought that he was the one that was responsible for the destruction of his universe. AM's statement renders Paraiah's rendition of what happened moot.
U should go take a 2nd look them comrade: AMs own posturing tells us (and the assembled heroes at the Creation Point) that he was freed by, and then took control over, Paraiahs experiment. and the testimony of Harbinger, where we learn the origin of the Monitors, in all likelihood comes straight from the Monitor own files if not him having told her himself b4 he died.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Secondly, he didn't actually specify that he destroyed Pariah's universe with his own power. His statement could have just as easily meant that he used tech to accomplish it. If I shot someone with a gun or stabbed them with a knife, wouldn't it still be accurate for me to say that I killed them even if I didn't specifically mention shooting or stabbing them?
he couldnt have used tech since, once again by his own posturing, the AM tells us that he took advantage of Paraiahs experiment, converted that a-matter to energy, focused that energy into his (Paraiahs) universe and only THEN did he have the power to free himself.
how could he have used tech if he was trapped, and thats by his own words and NO evidence of him having any there & then??
Originally posted by darthgoober
And third, AM NEVER demonstrated the universe destroying level of power that you're trying to credit him with until he absorbed the Anti Matter Universe. I mean you're talking about someone who was damn near killed by Supergirl...
and U have yet to show where he used machines to do that deed until we get to CoIE #8, which as a weapon created as a matter of expedience moreso than anything else.
however as far as Paraiahs universe went, that feat was all AMs.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Now anyone who wants to claim that it's never been established that AM used tech to destroy the positve matter universes should take a look at this scan...
AM is talking about the heroes gathering to try to halt the Anti Matter Wave, and Psycho Pirate says "B-But what if they find a way to stop your [B]MACHINES?". That means that the Anti Matter Wave that destroyed the Positive Matter Universes was in fact a result of AM's tech, not his own personal power.[/B]
that scan wasnt from CoIE -proper, but from a tale that came more than 10yrs afterward; I wouldnt count it as canon seeing as how if I remem they also introduced a GL who wasnt from Earth-1, but was somehow a member of the GLC (which is impossible since Oa was NOT duplicated across the multiverse like every other planet.)
Originally posted by darthgoober
Another part of that scan that's particularly interesting is this panel...
The time bomb(further evidence of AM's reliance on tech at this point) will prevent the heroes from what AM calls an [B]ULTIMATE
victory. So if they destroy his machines, then they've won. Who seriously believes that AM would call the destruction of his machines an ultimate victory if he were able to destroy the Positive Matter Universes without them?[/B]
no-one said the AM DIDNT use tech, but theres no proof that he used tech to destroy the p-m 'verses beyond that canon. hell, even the Monitor used tech, since he needed a ship to leave Oas moon.
Originally posted by darthgoober
And take a look at what happens when Flash actually manages to destroy AM's base and all the machine's in it...
His plan(to destroy the remain universes) is THWARTED when his home base and his machine's are destroyed. So instead he proceeds to absorb all the energy from the inhabited worlds of the Anti Matter Universe that way he can travel to the dawn of time. He didn't even absorb the universe itself, he just absorbed the life energy from the inhabited worlds.
his plan to destroy the 5 remaining universes was thwarted by the cannons destruction since all 5 were in a special "netherverse" that protected them from the AMs a-wave; he couldnt get at those realms since they were protectd by Monitors energy & those giant Vibrational Tuners we saw earlier in the story.
THATS Y he used tech there, and also in #7 with that "Solar Collector" -machine he had to reduce the diff Earths' vibrational frequencies.
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