😂 @ some of the excuses in this thread.
After Hulk tells Sentry he doesn't want this fight, Sentry replies: "Yes! God help me I do!"
The beginning of the end for "Golden man" Sentry:
"Does it always feel this good when you finally let go?"
"All these years, I tried to calm you down. And now, at the end of it all... ..it's me who can't seem to stop."
All directly quoted from Sentry himself. These aren't the words of someone who is desperately trying to lose or hold back his power in fact it's the exact opposite. His actions portray the same thing. To me, the only arguement those pro-Sentry have to contest this point is that he allowed Hulk to punch him in the face, yet seemingly forget the fact Hulk did the exact same thing, and Sentry was still fighting back right until the very end.
The notion of Sentry being weakened/depowered prior to the fight has been debunked several times and only one or two of the real hardcore Sentry fans seem to push this agenda. Sentry is the ONLY herald who could've stood up to the Hulk the way he did, and he took a crazy amount of punishment before falling yet they somehow view this as a low showing? Amazing.
Originally posted by The Sorrow
😂 @ some of the excuses in this thread.After Hulk tells Sentry he doesn't want this fight, Sentry replies: "Yes! God help me I do!"
The beginning of the end for "Golden man" Sentry:
"Does it always feel this good when you finally let go?"
"All these years, I tried to calm you down. And now, at the end of it all... ..it's me who can't seem to stop."All directly quoted from Sentry himself. These aren't the words of someone who is desperately trying to lose or hold back his power in fact it's the exact opposite. His actions portray the same thing. To me, the only arguement those pro-Sentry have to contest this point is that he allowed Hulk to punch him in the face, yet seemingly forget the fact Hulk did the exact same thing, and Sentry was still fighting back right until the very end.
The notion of Sentry being weakened/depowered prior to the fight has been debunked several times and only one or two of the real hardcore Sentry fans seem to push this agenda. Sentry is the ONLY herald who could've stood up to the Hulk the way he did, and he took a crazy amount of punishment before falling yet they somehow view this as a low showing? Amazing.
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Originally posted by The Sorrow
😂 @ some of the excuses in this thread.After Hulk tells Sentry he doesn't want this fight, Sentry replies: "Yes! God help me I do!"
The beginning of the end for "Golden man" Sentry:
"Does it always feel this good when you finally let go?"
"All these years, I tried to calm you down. And now, at the end of it all... ..it's me who can't seem to stop."All directly quoted from Sentry himself. These aren't the words of someone who is desperately trying to lose or hold back his power in fact it's the exact opposite. His actions portray the same thing. To me, the only arguement those pro-Sentry have to contest this point is that he allowed Hulk to punch him in the face, yet seemingly forget the fact Hulk did the exact same thing, and Sentry was still fighting back right until the very end.
The notion of Sentry being weakened/depowered prior to the fight has been debunked several times and only one or two of the real hardcore Sentry fans seem to push this agenda. Sentry is the ONLY herald who could've stood up to the Hulk the way he did, and he took a crazy amount of punishment before falling yet they somehow view this as a low showing? Amazing.
Good job deflating your own argument,
Going all out=/=at strongest.
And read your quote again.
"All these years, I tried to calm YOU down. And now, at the end of it all... ..it's ME who CAN'T seem to STOP."
Which indicates he is losing control and wants to lose because he is endangering everyone and which is why he said thanks to Bruce. Its called statement analysis, try it...But it doesn't matter because writers words>your words.
^^^Its funny how people keep ignoring that.
HA!
Originally posted by Stranglehold300
Good job deflating your own argument,Going all out=/=at strongest.
And read your quote again.
"All these years, [B]I tried to calm YOU down.
And now, at the end of it all... ..it's ME who CAN'T seem to STOP."Which indicates he is losing control and wants to lose because he is endangering everyone and which is why he said thanks to Bruce. Its called statement analysis, try it...But it doesn't matter because writers words>your words.
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^^^Its funny how people keep ignoring that.
HA! [/B]
Sentry basically became "evil" in that fight and put everyone at risk which he has done several times in the past even to his own teammates. When Hulk punched him out and he returned back to Robert it snapped him out of it which is why he thanked Banner in the end.
I'm not sure what that vague scan is supposed to prove, if anything the explanation given reinforces what I said above.
Originally posted by The Sorrow
It indicates that he is losing control of his inhibitions yes but the fact he is still attacking Hulk with all of his power right until the very last punch pretty much craps all over your claim he was trying to lose.Sentry basically became "evil" in that fight and put everyone at risk which he has done several times in the past even to his own teammates. When Hulk punched him out and he returned back to Robert it snapped him out of it which is why he thanked Banner in the end.
I'm not sure what that vague scan is supposed to prove, if anything the explanation given reinforces what I said above. [/B]
What??? Sentry was letting Hulk hit him while talking. Stop with the desperation. The writer clearly said Sentry thanked Bruce from pulling him back from from the PRECIPICE! Meaning he was PUTTING everyone in danger. The writer states the Sentry could have DESTROYED EVERYTHING AND EVERYONE. You're twisting the writers words for your own agenda. And no it doesn't prove your point because all you're doing is twisting the writers words.
Where has the Sentry put anyone at risk by losing control of his powers besides what happened in Siege? When?
You can bring up what happened in New Avengers, but that was the Void. How does what the WRITER repeat WRITER in the sightliest bit reinforce what you stated?
Its funny how people are so desperate to ignore facts right in front of them, all to low ball the Sentry.
Precipice:
a situation of great peril
Peril:
serious and immediate danger
Its called statement analysis try doing it.
Its funny how my argument has not changed at all. Still waiting for these five to be proven.
1. Its false that Sentry did not want to lose the fight(though the writer himself indicates that).
2. Sentry was not mentally unstable during the fight.
3. The Sentry was not losing control of his powers and thus put everyones lives at danger(though the writer indicates that).
4. Confidence is a part of the Sentrys powerset similar to Gladiator.
5. The writers own words are false.
Originally posted by The SorrowAfter Hulk tells Sentry he doesn't want this fight, Sentry replies: "Yes! God help me I do!"
Also forgot to touch base on this claim. Hulk stated: "YOU don't want this fight, Sentry".
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That's if you're saying Hulk didn't want to fight at all hinted by the bolded.
Originally posted by Stranglehold300
Precipice:
a situation of great perilPeril:
serious and immediate [B]dangerIts called statement analysis try doing it.
Its funny how my argument has not changed at all. Still waiting for these five to be proven.
1. Its false that Sentry did not want to lose the fight(though the writer himself indicates that).
2. Sentry was not mentally unstable during the fight.
3. The Sentry was not losing control of his powers and thus put everyones lives at danger(though the writer indicates that).
4. Confidence is a part of the Sentrys powerset similar to Gladiator.
5. The writers own words are false. [/B]
Hulk pulled him back from the precipice by punching Sentry out, how in any way does that translate to Sentry trying to lose? I'll answer that for you, it doesn't. At all.
Read you're own scan for crying out loud, and then read what I posted.. "..expending so much energy he could destroy everyone and everything around them." yet you somehow interpret that to mean he wasn't trying or wanted to lose? That scan directly contradicts what you're saying lol. As does literally the whole issue of WWH #5.
You haven't presented any facts, just twisted what was a pretty straightforward sequence of events (your own scan even walks you through this sequence) to find some kind of "out" for Sentry because he lost.
Originally posted by The Sorrow
How old are you 12? You post a definition of a word then own yourself with your own post? Congrats, well done.
How old are you since don't understand basic statements.
Originally posted by The Sorrow
Hulk pulled him back from the precipice by punching Sentry out, how in any way does that translate to Sentry trying to lose? I'll answer that for you, it doesn't. At all.
So when it come to the very end, Robert THANKS Bruce for pulling him back from the precipice.
But of course you're going to come up with an excuse for the above. lol.
Heck even Rick Jones states that there was danger.
Miek: "What are you worried about Rick Jones? He cant kill the Hulk."
Rick Jones: "No just everything ELSE on the planet."
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Again indicating that there was danger. And indicating that the Sentry was losing control. Which agrees with the Sentry wanting to lose towards the end, because he couldn't control himself. Which agrees with the writer saying Bob thanked Bruce from pulling him back from the PRECIPICE.
A five year old would grasp what I am saying.
Originally posted by The Sorrow
Read you're own scan for crying out loud, and then read what I posted.. "..expending so much energy he could destroy everyone and everything around them." yet you somehow interpret that to mean he wasn't trying or wanted to lose? That scan directly contradicts what you're saying lol. As does literally the whole issue of WWH #5.
So when it come to the very end, Robert THANKS Bruce for pulling him back from the precipice. Like I said you're chopping up what he is saying to fit your agenda. Sentry was losing control, due to him being mentally unstable, thus being weak. A mentally stable Sentry would never lose control like that. For the love of good a stable minded Sentry was fighting Photon and releasing energy that can destroy planets. Yet the Sentry that fought World War Hulk was going all out and he could only destroy Manhattan. How the heck does that not tell you something? Get real.
The Sentry was losing control. Its funny you have not addressed one claim of Sentry never putting anyone in danger besides Siege. Funny you didn't address that. Sentry's were destroying Manhattan and so he wanted Hulk to take him down, because even he said HE COULDN'T STOP. Why? Because he was losing control. Why? Because he was mentally unstable.
Originally posted by The Sorrow
You haven't presented any facts, just twisted what was a pretty straightforward sequence of events (your own scan even walks you through this sequence) to find some kind of "out" for Sentry because he lost.
Lol at men twisting the events. When not only are you not looking at the bigger picture, but you yourself is twisting up the writers words. Yeah I'm twisting everything. Stop with the futile words. And sorry what I posted not only relates to what happened in the story, but correlates with what the WRITER PAK has stated. Sorry I posted my evidence here:
Originally posted by Stranglehold300
I'm back...And I'm going to finally end this ridiculous nonsensical claim about the Hulk beating the shit out of Sentry during the World War Hulk story arc.Again no...Sentry did not get the shit kicked out of him and neither did HHulk. The Sentry reverted back to Bob because he wanted to LOSE and I explain that as I go on. I don't know what comic you were reading or you just decided what to read and what not to read, but your claim has no strong evidence to it and by that I can tell you didn't even fully read the comic.
But FIRST lets get to the root of the point. World War Hulk fought a very WEAK repeat WEAK Sentry. As we all know...The Sentry's powers are all based on his mental state.
Straight from Marvel Handbook 2006:
"When stable he has potential for limitless power....... however if his mental states waves he becomes weaker and easier to defeat."
Then we have Emma Frost who states that his psychic powers hold together his physical powers.
So what happens when his mental state is unstable? Thats a conclusion you should already know...But if that's not enough for you we can dig even deeper.
Yes indeed Sentry wasn't holding back and was going at his fullest, we all agree on that and know that. But what people seem to not get is that going at fullest=/=being at strongest, because again World War Hulk fought a mentally unstable Sentry, thus a weaker Sentry. As proof since he couldn't even control his powers and almost all of Manhattan was getting burned!!!
But anyways here is an example of a mentally stableSentry fighting Photon.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/116291/2179258-3.jpgBoth are releasing energies that are destroying planets, yet both are holding back...And it is even said that the Sentry can collect energy from almost anywhere. Which I believe is where the term "power of a million exploding suns" comes from.
But back to the World War Hulk story arc. Again we not only have proof that the Sentry was not only mentally, but superior to the Hulk.
Bob: "The last time I saw the Hulk, he was fighting the Void. And the Void broke every bone in his body. And then... then I found out I was the Void"
Not only are we shown that Sentry is more superior to Hulk, but also that Bob is NOT scared of the Hulk but what he can do to the Hulk. Why because he is afraid of his own powers. Why? Because he has schizophrenic, which IIRC causes extreme anxiety. And Reed even mentions it in his fight with World War Hulk. So again we have PROOF repeat PROOF that the Sentry was mentally unstable during the fight.
Not only that but he stayed struck on a door for 29 hours. Obviously that indicates an internal struggle. If you think thats Sentry at his strongest, then give me a break...
Again reading the WHOLE comic helps. But we're going to dig even deeper and into the fight itself.
When the Sentry starts to attack the Hulk he clearly in the drivers seat. But then we see him starting to lose control. Flames start going everywhere and it even burns Hulk that his warbounds jump in to help him. Again the Sentry loosing control INDICATES that he was NOT mentally stable and was not at his strongest. Again him going all out=/=him at his strongest. Again him going all out=/=him at his strongest. Not only that, but the Sentry lets Hulk hit him while he speaks and says "good".
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http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/102593/3261755-0+%2819%29.jpgAgain we see the Sentry losing control. Flames are everywhere and I mean everywhere! The Sentry could have killed everyone with it, which is why he had to be stopped. Do you think the Sentry intentionally wanted to do that? No. Which is why he WANTED TO LOSE.
At the middle of the fight Sentry himself realizes he cant stop and the conversation seem to imply Sentry wanted Hulk to calm him down.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/10/102593/3261767-0+%2823%29.jpgWhen Hulk finally KOs Sentry, the first thing Sentry says is "Bruce... Thank you"
If you wanna say that Hulk(Bruce really) beat Sentry fine, but to say Hulk bested him, ignore that Sentry wanted to lose, ignore that Sentry was mentally unstable thus weak and ignore that he was loosing control then your argument is flawed.
But if all the above is still not enough for you. Then here's this from the WRITERS OF THE STORY OWN WORDS!:
"Robert was on the verge of going too far, of expending so much energy that he could destroy everything and everyone around them."
"So when it comes to the very end, Robert thanks Bruce for pulling him back from the PRECIPICE."
So there you have it folks from the writers own words. This isn't specualtion anymore its REALITY. The Sentry was like the 'bad guy' towards the end of the fight. He could have KILLED everyone.
This is what an unstable Sentry losing control of his powers did... days after the fight with Hulk and the city was still burning, that's what casually unleashing Sentry power did.
Again you have to READ EVERY PART OF THE COMIC. Not only the parts you chose and ignore.
The only thing you and some other people did were side track, twist words, cheer lead, make up stuff(confidence affects Sentrys power), divert, projections, ignore things and many other things. Again some people.
And when did I even state Hulk did not win??? I said Sentry was not at his best and wanted to lose. I even stated Hulk was holding back through the story.
Heck everyone basically has stated and agreed to(including me) that NEITHER Sentry or Hulk were at their best during the fight. Hulk was holding back and Sentry couldn't even control himself. Everyone came to that conclusion.
Sorry but I posted is not twisted, I just decided to read the bigger picture.
Originally posted by carver9
Why would Sentry even approach a fight if he wanted to lose?
*Face/Palm*
I'm going be patient and try not to get frustrated. Toward the end...The Sentry started to lose control and Reed, Rick Jones, Sentry and everyone else made note of that. Again toward the end. Which is why the Sentry wanted to be put down, because he was releasing so much energy, most that wasn't even focused on the Hulk himself. People were taking cover, that even on of Hulks warbounds offered to help the humans. Rick even notes that he could have "destroy everything else on the planet".
And so does the writer. Read my posts again please, because I'm getting tired of explaining everything over and over again.
Originally posted by Stranglehold300
*Face/Palm*I'm going be patient and try not to get frustrated. Toward the end...The Sentry started to lose control and Reed, Rick Jones, Sentry and everyone else made note of that. Again toward the end. Which is why the Sentry wanted to be put down, because he was releasing so much energy, most that wasn't even focused on the Hulk himself. People were taking cover, that even on of Hulks warbounds offered to help the humans. Rick even notes that he could have "destroy everything else on the planet".
And so does the writer. Read my posts again please, because I'm getting tired of explaining everything over and over again.
If Sentry didn't want to endanger people or wanted to let lose all of his energy, why not fly in space? Why stay there and fist cuff and blast Hulk (your logic is HORRIBLE)?
Originally posted by carver9
If Sentry didn't want to endanger people or wanted to let lose all of his energy, why not fly in space? Why stay there and fist cuff and blast Hulk (your logic is HORRIBLE)?
What!? He was letting the Hulk punch him out(and while talking).
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And then he thanked Bruce afterwards.
You're whole argument is HORRIBLE. But it doesn't matter because what I say correlates with the writer and there's nothing you can do. 🙂
Originally posted by carver9because that would make for a stupid conclusion to the fight. Also he was out of control at that point.
If Sentry didn't want to endanger people or wanted to let lose all of his energy, why not fly in space? Why stay there and fist cuff and blast Hulk (your logic is HORRIBLE)?
