World War Hulk VS Sentry

Started by Stranglehold30041 pages

Bobs mental state is basically a scale. The more mentally stable Bob is the stronger the Sentry is, the more mentally unstable Bob is the stronger the Void is and Void finally states control as shown in Bendis run. Heck Void took so much control that Bob completely locked away, until Emma had to save him.
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Saying that a mentally unstable Sentry can beat the Void is just laughable and shows you really do not understand the character. Your argument has been deflated.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
not to mention telling him not to engage him cause it's none of his damn business

Indeed.

Originally posted by janus77
According to you Sentry's only mentally stable when he wins, otherwise he's clearly mentally unstable.

Stop the projections and actually address my points. The point is WE'VE NEVER really seen a stable minded Sentry. We've only seen that type of Sentry in 2 of his volumes and even then he was only fighting the Void for the most part. After that its mostly been Sentry having troubles with his mental state, since well...Bob is mentally ill.

The closet we've got to a full stable Sentry at his strongest is when he fought Photon. I've had said it many times, a full potential stable minded Sentry NEEDS to fight someone very powerful to know where he is officially at.

His original writer intended him to be very powerful.

Originally posted by janus77
Sentry, obviously.

So, in your point of view, Sentry is the one putting more effort into facing the Hulk, than Hulk? Get out of here!

Originally posted by janus77
He's the one bullrushing, attacking Hulk, burning shit up and forcing Hulk to fight back.

Oh yes, He is so much into the fight, that He allows Hulk to get some free shots. Dude let me punch you in the face and then claim that you are putting effort into our fight.

Originally posted by janus77
Hulk's the one trying to calm him down, tell him he doesn't have to be a monster and prevent Sentry from causing irreparable damage.

Yes, apparently He is doing it pretty good, because Sentry is not putting effort into that fight at all, He is OVERCONFIDENT.

Originally posted by janus77
Answer this, does Hulk want to fight Sentry?

No, He did not want to engage the Sentry ORIGINALLY, He only wants to fight to punish Reed, BB, Stranger and Stark

Originally posted by janus77
Does Hulk go looking for Sentry?

No Sentry comes and looks for him, But Hulk welcomes the fight and does not shy away from it.

Originally posted by janus77
Does Hulk fly at Sentry, stating that he's never unleashed before but he knows that Sentry is the only one he can unleash at?

Like I said Hulk welcomes the fight and Sentry overconfident and in a casual manner engages the Hulk, the ART is telling you that.

Ever seen a person who tells you "I don't care" but you can see in their face that they do care?

For whatever the comic book states, it is the ART that is telling you something else. The depiction of the fight shows an overconfident Sentry, in a rather casual manner backhanding an enraged Hulk. And there is nothing you can do about it, It is the way the fight WAS DEPICTED!

lol?

Originally posted by Stranglehold300
Confidence has nothing to do with his power set but he mental stability. He's not Gladiator, unless you can give me sources that states confidence affects his psychical powers. The writer already stated that Sentry was loosing control and thus we can indicate that Sentry was mentally unstable. Sentry wasn't confident in his fight against the Void and yet he still beat him, and that was him at his best from his first volume. Again confidence has nothing to do with his powerset unless you can source me something that states so.
Why would his own confidence not tie into mental stability?
And from his first volume he was fighting himself basically... what an example of mental stability that is.

Sentry's mental stability seems to work on a basis of doubt. Everytime he's cried and ran away, it's been because of a nagging problem or something he's done previously roughly. In the fight against Hulk he had absolutely no care in the world. He had nothing from that fight that ties him into previous showings where he was in a "weaker state" and thus got defeated as a result. But sure, let's pretend he's the same Sentry who ran away from Human Torch.

However.
And here's from your own post. When he's stable he's capable of unleashing "A million suns". This is a strong basis for your argument. This cropped picture from a bio. I trust you have no problems with me using it.
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And what does he go about and do in the Hulk fight? Unleash the power of a million suns.
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It even goes to say that he's terrified of his own power, and that's why he's never unleashed like that before. IE, he wasn't terrified of his power in that moment, and that's why that power was currently being unleashed. He stopped being scared. He stopped having blocks in the way in that moment.

Oh, and what does the next scan state?
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"I said that sometimes to do the right thing... sometimes you have to play GOD"

And that is why Sentry stopped being terrified of his own power. He thought he was playing God in that instance.

This is the guy you think is a weaker Sentry. Someone who thinks he's playing God right now, and isn't currently terrified of his power.

Would you like me to click on more of your scans? Would you like me to read the entire WWH arc including every tie in? Because it seems that's what it's about to come down to. After I watch Anchorman 2 we'll throw down good man.

@Rao Kal El

It doesn't even matter the Sentry wanted to lose that fight in the first place because he was losing control. I mean it was already stated by the writer. 🙂

Originally posted by Stranglehold300
@Rao Kal El

It doesn't even matter the Sentry wanted to lose that fight in the first place because he was losing control. I mean it was already stated by the writer. 🙂

Yes and you can tell just by looking at the art, Sentry only put some effort at the end, but most of the fight he is just there taking hits and being Hulk's punching bag.

I still believe Hulk is physically stronger than Sentry, but Sentry even if he were weaker, could have put up a better fight using his other powers.

In any case, I have no horse in this race. I believe Sentry should win, but If Hulk goes WB MODE He should win.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Could you elaborate on that part, please?

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The previous mentally unstable Sentry's that we're pretending to apply this Sentry to would have never been able to take those shots.
However, in this instance his form held through to a point where all it did was bring him closer to unleashing his full power.

He was so confident he allowed Hulk to tee off on him which only resulting in him becoming more powerful/unleashing all his power.

And an interesting point to make about this is something Stranglehold himself pointed out:
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His mental powers hold his physical powers together. Now, what sort of level of mental prowess would Sentry have to be to take direct shots from Hulk like that and still be relatively "unharmed"?

I ask you this Pauldooder?

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Why would his own confidence not tie into mental stability?

Because theres no proof of that.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
And from his first volume he was fighting himself basically... what an example of mental stability that is.

Actually the Void was a separate entity during that time...

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Sentry's mental stability seems to work on a basis of doubt. Everytime he's cried and ran away, it's been because of a nagging problem or something he's done previously roughly. In the fight against Hulk he had absolutely no care in the world. He had nothing from that fight that ties him into previous showings where he was in a "weaker state" and thus got defeated as a result. But sure, let's pretend he's the same Sentry who ran away from Human Torch.

Again there is NO proof that his confidence ties with his powers. I asked you to show me proof. The Sentry didn't have confidence against the Void, which is why he had Hulk to help him.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
However.
And here's from your own post. When he's stable he's capable of unleashing "A million suns". This is a strong basis for your argument. This cropped picture from a bio. I trust you have no problems with me using it.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/10/102593/3298690-01.jpg

And what does he go about and do in the Hulk fight? Unleash the power of a million suns.
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A million exploding sons is a hyperbole which most likely means he can absorb energy from almost anywhere. If the Sentry had that power under his belt he would destroyed the galaxy....-__-

But he didn't.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
It even goes to say that he's terrified of his own power, and that's why he's never unleashed like that before. IE, he wasn't terrified of his power in that moment, and that's why that power was currently being unleashed. He stopped being scared. He stopped having blocks in the way in that moment.

Again his confidence level has nothing to do with his powerlevel.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Oh, and what does the next scan state?
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"I said that sometimes to do the right thing... sometimes you have to play GOD"

And that is why Sentry stopped being terrified of his own power. He thought he was playing God in that instance.

This is the guy you think is a weaker Sentry. Someone who thinks he's playing God right now, and isn't currently terrified of his power.

What does Sentry playing God have to do with mental state affecting his powers???

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Would you like me to click on more of your scans? Would you like me to read the entire WWH arc including every tie in? Because it seems that's what it's about to come down to. After I watch Anchorman 2 we'll throw down good man. [/B]

How about I just show you this which backs up my main original post.

"Robert was on the verge of going too far, of expending so much energy that he could destroy everything and everyone around them."

"So when it comes to the very end, Robert thanks Bruce for pulling him back from the PRECIPICE."

The writer was not only indicating that Sentry wanted to LOSE, but also the fact that he was LOSING CONTROL, which means he was mentally unstable. For crying out loud the flames were nearly destroying the island of Manhattan and the heros could have been killed by it, if it were not for the Sentry wanting to lose.

Your whole argument is based of off the Sentry confidence affecting his powers, but again there is NO PROOF of that unless you source me something that proves that.

Still waiting for carter to post the scans of sentrys great regen pre DA.

Funny how people arguing for hulk are gettin owned.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
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The previous mentally unstable Sentry's that we're pretending to apply this Sentry to would have never been able to take those shots.
However, in this instance his form held through to a point where all it did was bring him closer to unleashing his full power.

Again unleashing full power=/=Sentry at his most powerful. Sentry wasn't even his all his other abilities but was just slugging it out. Sentry losing control is more than enough that he was mentally unstable during the fight and the writer even agrees. And again you still have not proven that confidences affects his powers. You act as though mental patients don't have confidences. Sentry was never overconfident yet he was still extremely powerful and intelligent unlike the Sentry who fought Hulk.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
He was so confident he allowed Hulk to tee off on him which only resulting in him becoming more powerful/unleashing all his power.

Again PROVE that confidence affects his powerset. Notice how my argument never changed. Releasing more power does NOT equal him at his most powerful. I take that and raise you Sentry fighting Photon holding back and yet still destroying planets. That was a mentally STABLE Sentry and he was nowhere near overconfident fighting someone like Photon.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
And an interesting point to make about this is something Stranglehold himself pointed out:
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All she said was that his physic powers affect his psychical powers. That has nothing to do with his confidence. Again show me confidence affecting Sentrys powers. Show me where Jenkins or Marvel states that.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
His mental powers hold his physical powers together. Now, what sort of level of mental prowess would Sentry have to be to take direct shots from Hulk like that and still be relatively "unharmed"?

I ask you this Pauldooder?

What does this have to do with anything??? A freaking Sentry who was so mentally unstable and just learned how to use his Molecule Manipulation powers(which he already had before) mopped the floor with Molecule Man.

Again confidence has nothing to do with his powerset like you're indicating.

Originally posted by bbrem123
Still waiting for carter to post the scans of sentrys great regen pre DA.

Obviously as the Void he recovered from being impaled by his good half the Sentry - but at that point Void could be viewed as a shadowy construct and not an real entity.

Sentry himself had a nuclear device exploding in front of his face, which bloodied him up and he obviously healed.
A different instance was him fighting the Void and suffering damage like cuts, bruises and a broken nose (or simply Romitas weird ard) and they healed during the conversation he had afterwards with his therapist.

There are scans in the respect thread.

And why shouldn't he have renegeration? He was an overweight slob, when his memories started returning back and he changed his own appearance during the process of becoming the Sentry once again. He slimmed down, gained more muscles, even became younger. Molecule manipulatiooooon.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
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The previous mentally unstable Sentry's that we're pretending to apply this Sentry to would have never been able to take those shots.
However, in this instance his form held through to a point where all it did was bring him closer to unleashing his full power.

He was so confident he allowed Hulk to tee off on him which only resulting in him becoming more powerful/unleashing all his power.

And an interesting point to make about this is something Stranglehold himself pointed out:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/10/102593/3232404-02.jpg

His mental powers hold his physical powers together. Now, what sort of level of mental prowess would Sentry have to be to take direct shots from Hulk like that and still be relatively "unharmed"?

I ask you this Pauldooder?

Oh, I misunderstood your previous post; I thought you were saying that the punches were directly amping him. My bad.

I don't think Sentry was some sort of weak feeb or anything; I just don't think he was operating at full capacity, tbh. With the Sentry though, that's a whole can of worms in and of itself.

Originally posted by bbrem123
Still waiting for carter to post the scans of sentrys great regen pre DA.

Funny how people arguing for hulk are gettin owned.

People arguing for the Hulk have not proved:

1. Its false that Sentry did not want to lose the fight(though the writer himself indicates that).
2. Sentry was not mentally unstable during the fight.
3. The Sentry was not losing control of his powers and thus put everyones lives at danger(though the writer indicates that).
4. Confidence is a part of the Sentrys powerset similar to Gladiator.
5. The writers own words are false.

I'm waiting for those five to be proven by sources.

Oh and one more thing...

I like how Hulk fanboys and Sentry haters are totally ignoring the battleboard rules, which state that we're always going with the most recent versions of the characters :-D

The Death Seed doesn't even matter right now. What matters is that Sentry has learned what his power set is all about, which elevated his power level higher. Obviously during WW Hulk he was especially weakened, but now in this battleboard fight he is not weakened and jobbing for the plot - he is even the most recent version of himself and he has access to molecule manipulation, which he did not at the point he fought against the Hulk.

Keep on dreaming, Hulk fanboys and Sentry haters.

Neither the Hulk nor the Sentry shown in WWH were either character at their "best". I think mostly everyone can agree to that.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Neither the Hulk nor the Sentry shown in WWH were either character at their "best". I think mostly everyone can agree to that.

I agree on that. Hulk was holding back and Sentry wanted to lose because he was losing control and endangering everyone.

We should look at it like that. And I believe I made my point on this thread. So we can agree to disagree.

Sentry didn't care about endangering anyone since, well, he nearly killed eneryone out there. Hell, some people woukd have died if it wasnt for everyone assisting in shielding themselves. The logic being presented here is ridiculous at best. Sentry got his face crushed...lets move on. An all out Sentry as stated per his own mouth.

Hulk won. Hulk wins. Anyone who wants to disagree can fight me irl! durhulk