Originally posted by Enyalus
Northstar does fight at faster speeds than Superman does...I'm not sure why that matters, but whatever.
It doesnt matter but someone brought up northstar like he was slow ro seomething when they compared him to superman when I actually think that northstar has the ability of keeping up with a all out flash (without speed stealing) if he had too.
Originally posted by Enyalus
I'm saying Superman doesn't. Fight at light speed, that is.Fight being the key word. As in, combat-speed. He doesn't pull a Flash on everyone he fights.
i agree. i just don't believe it means he can't.
edit: also, i thought it was also common knowledge that while northstar has (on rare occasions) fought at that speed, he didn't do it every time due to the dangers of it...
Originally posted by Enyalus
If Morrison or Kelly or Loeb or Busiek writes him, I agree.😛
Fanboys with a pen, that's what they are, lol. Talented fanboys maybe, but fanboys nonetheless.
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i edited.
and most characters are written by people who like them. that's sort of the point, isn't it? a writer's been around long enough, he gets to push for the books he wants...
Originally posted by Raoul
and most characters are written by people who like them. that's sort of the point, isn't it? a writer's been around long enough, he gets to push for the books he wants...
Just kidding about the last one
But...I recall Galen saying that he thinks Supes was meant to be written at his silver age, star-tossing , time-racing levels. And, I agree. But then, I like the more overpowered stuff.
Anywho, why was Northstar brought up? 😐
And Phil brought up a good reason why Supes would beat Magneto virtually every time. But meh, that hinges on him blitzing. And I see Mags matching up against Diana better. So, still Team Two.
Originally posted by Enyalus
Sure, but the good ones keep them at the level they're supposed to be at. Johns. Brynes. McDuffie.Just kidding about the last one
But...I recall Galen saying that he thinks Supes was meant to be written at his silver age, star-tossing , time-racing levels. And, I agree. But then, I like the more overpowered stuff.
Anywho, why was Northstar brought up? 😐
And Phil brought up a good reason why Supes would beat Magneto virtually every time. But meh, that hinges on him blitzing. And I see Mags matching up against Diana better. So, still Team Two.
Johns writes Superman pretty uber when the story serves. Byrne wrote Superman just before IC, and he wasn't at his 80s levels, so 😛
and busiek, loeb and morrison are or were (in the case of loeb) good writers. someone's just being petty... 😛
galen is half right. there's a theory doing the rounds on kmc, i dunno if its the same anywhere else. i know trick agrees, and i'm sure a couple of people do too.
basically, it's that Superman is an all purpose, plot driven character. He's as strong as he needs to be, he's as fast as he needs to be. He has to save the day, so he becomes whatever the writers need him to be. Now, that's not to say he'll be smacking down Galactus or the Spectre anytime soon. It still has to be within the realms of his own solo comics (and events), and still within his powerset. He can't have new powers, but the ones he does have are potentially limitless.
Yes, he has weaknesses, but how many times has he endured just enough, or found that last bit of determination. That last bit of energy to save the day. Why? Because frankly, he's BLOODY SUPERMAN. it's the entire point of the character.
dunno who brought up northstar...
Originally posted by Raoul
basically, it's that Superman is an all purpose, plot driven character. He's as strong as he needs to be, he's as fast as he needs to be. He has to save the day, so he becomes whatever the writers need him to be. Now, that's not to say he'll be smacking down Galactus or the Spectre anytime soon. It still has to be within the realms of his own solo comics (and events), and still within his powerset. He can't have new powers, but the ones he does have are potentially limitless.Yes, he has weaknesses, but how many times has he endured just enough, or found that last bit of determination. That last bit of energy to save the day. Why? Because frankly, he's BLOODY SUPERMAN. it's the entire point of the character.
I agree. But, its also PIS whenever it occurs (or most of when it occurs), because that's DC's icon right there. Supes has his typical levels, and they're right around high herald/peak herald level.
Its like trying to count Lobo's WTF feats in an actual debate. When in actuality he gets pwned by Batman, Diana, and Superman (individually.) Meh.
Originally posted by Enyalus
I agree. But, its also PIS whenever it occurs (or most of when it occurs), because that's DC's icon right there. Supes has his typical levels, and they're right around high herald/peak herald level.Its like trying to count Lobo's WTF feats in an actual debate. When in actuality he gets pwned by Batman, Diana, and Superman (individually.) Meh.
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that's the thing. i find it completely within Superman's powers to be as strong or as fast as the story requires. In the case of speed, he can go as fast as he pleases, as long as it's established that the Flash can go faster.
We now he holds back, and i think that's very intentional. It shows that he has a range that we haven't seen before...
Originally posted by Raoul
Johns writes Superman pretty uber when the story serves. Byrne wrote Superman just before IC, and he wasn't at his 80s levels, so 😛and busiek, loeb and morrison are or were (in the case of loeb) good writers. someone's just being petty... 😛
galen is half right. there's a theory doing the rounds on kmc, i dunno if its the same anywhere else. i know trick agrees, and i'm sure a couple of people do too.
basically, it's that Superman is an all purpose, plot driven character. He's as strong as he needs to be, he's as fast as he needs to be. He has to save the day, so he becomes whatever the writers need him to be. Now, that's not to say he'll be smacking down Galactus or the Spectre anytime soon. It still has to be within the realms of his own solo comics (and events), and still within his powerset. He can't have new powers, but the ones he does have are potentially limitless.
Yes, he has weaknesses, but how many times has he endured just enough, or found that last bit of determination. That last bit of energy to save the day. Why? Because frankly, he's BLOODY SUPERMAN. it's the entire point of the character.
dunno who brought up northstar...
I'm so glad you're not writting him or I would never read him again.