Originally posted by spidermonkey😕
So people are actually referencing a scan in which an Oan Power Ring, literally one of the most powerful weapons in all of the DC universe capable of manipulating matter and energy on a cosmic scale limited only by the imagination and will power of its wielder, is affected by a simple magnetic field? Hmm... coffee1
I call bollocks on that scan. Where is her tiara and why isn't the rest of her armor magnetized? The low tolerance for electroshock therapy also doesn't make sense as she's held Zeus' lightning bolt in her own hands.
It really makes no sense for her armor to be susceptible to magnetism given it's magical nature. Would Magneto be able to pull the Aegis Shield? That and the fact that if her armor made out of any earthly metal, it appears to be gold and silver, neither of which are magnetic. Her bracers have have also defied the properties of metals previously as she's blocked lightning bolts with them. And I asked this very question over on the WW DC boards and no one, including Gail Simone thought the bracers were, nor should be able to be susceptible to magnetism.
Sorry, just my rant 😛
In the scan, Diana is being affected by the *electrical* aspects of electro-magnetism, not active magnetic manipulation, itself. Also, the Aegis bracers are not properly metal, at all; they have metal-like qualities, but were formed from the (abstract) hide of Amalthea (Adamanthea in Hesiod's accounts, which is the source-name for Adamantium and Adamantite, btw), and via it's power is capable of repelling virtually any kind of attack (particularly energy). This scan is an example of modest jobbing (not just for WW, but for several other leaguers, as well), and is simply meant to show how a particular scenario could play out; even in Pre-Crisis, when WW had faced Polaris one-on-one, and her bracers were more properly metal (akin to proper Adamantium, in context), Polaris didn't have the ability to really use them against her. However, I have not problem, conceptually, with her being affected by powerful electrical attacks if she isn't properly prepared/hesitates for even a second; she is not as resistant to electricity, piercing/slashing attacks, and a handful of other assaults, as Superman/Martian Manhunter, et al, are.
And Sasaraixx: I believe this issue was from around the time Diana wasn't wearing her tiara because she wasn't princess of Themiscyra, as the monarchy had been diposed, and she was semi-exiled from the island. It was part of a tangent plot going on in her book.
Anywho...
Assuming no BFR (on anyone's part), eventually it would lean to team 1, though not without a prolonged fight. Supes can take whatever Magneto can dish out, and then some; Diana is actually better equipt to handle Juggs than SM is -- her lasso can hold him indefinitely, and even stop him from moving, as it will affect his *active will* to keep moving, and he cannot break it. Now, without Diana's lasso, Team 1 is hard pressed to stop Juggs in most of his incarnations, and the best they can hope for is a general stalemate, with Juggs winning due to having limitless stamina, or Clark uses Diana (via her Bracers) as a human battering ram to eventually dislodge Juggs helmet, at which point it makes it easier for them to beat him into unconsciousnes, though still with great effort involved.
Wonder Woman has jumped into an electric fixture when going against the Joker, has been lassoed by that Teen Titan Lasso that is electrical, AND has taken Zeus's lightning bolt.
So how does she have a low tolerance to high-voltage electroshock therapy?
And that is not even mentioning a shape-shifter and a Green Lantern ring being affected the way they were.
Originally posted by dawsey28
Wonder Woman has jumped into an electric fixture when going against the Joker, has been lassoed by that Teen Titan Lasso that is electrical, AND has taken Zeus's lightning bolt.So how does she have a low tolerance to high-voltage electroshock therapy?
And that is not even mentioning a shape-shifter and a Green Lantern ring being affected the way they were.
It's all relative: by human, and even most durable meta-human standards, Diana is very resistant to electrical attacks, by comparison; but when you get into the upper levels, she doesn't have the comparable durability that you might expect from Superman, Capt. Marvel, et al. Like demonstrated in the JLA arc around #24-28, when Diana was battling Amazo, and he(it) used a powerful electrical attack on her that she wasn't in position to evade/deflect -- it paralyzed her, and if she hadn't gotten help, might have killed her eventually.
Cassie's "electrical" attack, via her lasso, is more a sort of "special effect", much like Diana's lasso for many years was drawn as being on fire via Hestia's power -- the real "attack" taking place with Cass's lasso is spiritual, and less physical (though it does have some physical properties to it) -- it elicits the anger/fury within one's soul and uses it against them (making it an ideal weapon to use against, say, Thor, the Hulk, Orion, or someone similar; against Diana, it is less effective).
And with Zeus, it is already intimated that due to her closeness to him (being his great-granddaughter/due to the connection via the Aegis bracers, which has come to fruition just recently in WW#39), his attacks on her don't quite carry the death-sentence that it might with other beings (and note how in several instances, such as the first time, when Zeus tried to rape her, Diana was in fact held paralyzed by his lightning/power).
Originally posted by tideoftime
It's all relative: by human, and even most durable meta-human standards, Diana is very resistant to electrical attacks, by comparison; but when you get into the upper levels, she doesn't have the comparable durability that you might expect from Superman, Capt. Marvel, et al. Like demonstrated in the JLA arc around #24-28, when Diana was battling Amazo, and he(it) used a powerful electrical attack on her that she wasn't in position to evade/deflect -- it paralyzed her, and if she hadn't gotten help, might have killed her eventually.Cassie's "electrical" attack, via her lasso, is more a sort of "special effect", much like Diana's lasso for many years was drawn as being on fire via Hestia's power -- the real "attack" taking place with Cass's lasso is spiritual, and less physical (though it does have some physical properties to it) -- it elicits the anger/fury within one's soul and uses it against them (making it an ideal weapon to use against, say, Thor, the Hulk, Orion, or someone similar; against Diana, it is less effective).
And with Zeus, it is already intimated that due to her closeness to him (being his great-granddaughter/due to the connection via the Aegis bracers, which has come to fruition just recently in WW#39), his attacks on her don't quite carry the death-sentence that it might with other beings (and note how in several instances, such as the first time, when Zeus tried to rape her, Diana was in fact held paralyzed by his lightning/power).
All valid points, but they still cannot explain away her previous strong resistances against lightning that Dawsey mentioned. Zeus is still Zeus. Even if her relation to him makes his attacks not as powerful against her as they would against anyone else, they are still pretty darn powerful. I have an extremely hard time believing that Dr. Polaris was throwing out more juice to Diana in that scan than Zeus is able to. Even taking into account that part of his attack is magical, there is still an overwhelming physical element to it as well.
And just for comparison sake, do we have any direct comparisons to make with say WW and MM taking similar electric based attacks? The weakness to piercing attacks has been established (albeit a bit haphazardly) in her mythos, but the same cannot be said for this alleged weakness. None of these top tiers are immune to attacks of this type. (Marvels being an exception likely). Just because she was affected by powerful attack from Amazo does not, by itself, prove that she is weak against such attacks. All of the bricks are "invulnerable" but can still be KO'ed if hit with sufficient force.
What this all boils down to for me is that similar attacks would not be successful for Magneto in this match-up. He's not controlling the bracers and he's not bringing Diana to her knees with a simple zap. That is not to say that he doesn't have other options.
As for this fight, what does T1 do with Juggernaut? I guess Diana can try to use the soul dump, but if she keeps him incapacitated in the lasso, does that count a BFR? That's really their only option.
Originally posted by TheKahn
So people are actually referencing a scan in which an Oan Power Ring, literally one of the most powerful weapons in all of the DC universe capable of manipulating matter and energy on a cosmic scale limited only by the imagination and will power of its wielder, is affected by a simple magnetic field? Hmm... coffee1
Dr. Polaris is a GL foe to begin with, that dates back to Hal.
Though, I will note: One, he was massively supercharged at that point, several times his norm even.
Two, it did seem a bit of plot-fiat to keep the league from just winning.
Three, when he was taken down, she didn't particularly hurt, so she didn't seem particularly *weak* to it, just temporarily disabled while being constantly shocked by someone capable of taking out MM with his blood alone.
Originally posted by Photon009
Juggy and Magneto wins easily. Remember Diana's bracelet? you know theyre metal right? Well Magneto controls metal. Ala, Diana's gonna punch herself to a pulp while Juggy pounds Supes (assuming this is Classic Juggy).It would be interesting to see how the lasso would effect the "Unstoppable" Juggernaut tho, but in this scenario we wouldnt get a chance to see cause Diana's royally screwed..
Superman could beat Magneto and Juggernaut by himself. Superman is stronger than Juggernaut and he is invulnerable and can fly which means Juggernaut doesn't stand a chance. Magneto can't hurt Superman either but Superman would knock Magneto out with one punch. All Diana would have to do is give Superman help if necessary and tie them up after the fight was over.
Originally posted by American Dragon
Superman could beat Magneto and Juggernaut by himself. Superman is stronger than Juggernaut and he is invulnerable and can fly which means Juggernaut doesn't stand a chance. Magneto can't hurt Superman either but Superman would knock Magneto out with one punch. All Diana would have to do is give Superman help if necessary and tie them up after the fight was over.
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Superman is invulnerable to a point, and Juggernaut has the nessacary damage output to harm Superman. And Magneto can harm Superman as well.
This would be a helluva fight. Superman would probably go for Juggernaut first, as he's the larger, more intimidating target. Unless Diana speedblitzes Magneto, she's not getting through his sheilds. And there isn't a whole lot that Superman or Juggy can do to eachother. Without BFR this is a very long, difficult fight that I'm not entirely sure on the outcome...