Exar Kun Vs Anakin with a twist

Originally posted by Borbarad
I keep arguing because that duels are exception to the rules where the prior advantage in terms of force mastery was negated. Anakin vs Dooku receives a power boost by allowing himself to utilize his dark emotions (similar to Luke in RotJ) that makes him more powerful for a short amount of time in which he's capable of surprising Dooku with a highly unorthodox movement. His average skill-level in terms of force control and bladework is still below that of Dooku even when he enters "the zone".

And in the fight between Mace versus Sidious, Mace did benefit from the fact that he possessed a very rare ability that is especially useful against Dark Siders (his Vaapad mindset) and a completely unique ability (his Shatterpoint ability) which he both needed to defeat Sidious.

So you are still arguing based on exceptions rather then the rule. In general the more powerful force user will be the one that walks out alive of a lightsaber duel.

No. If you add highly unlikely conditions to a fight, then the better force user might lose. Still we don't play the "assume that one opponent has his lucky day" game here.

Can you read, DS ? Somehow I doubt it. With his Vaapad abilities used to the fullest extend (at least if you want to go by the novel) Mace and Sidious were equals. The Shatterpoint ability was that tipped the balance in favor for Mace. Without both abilities, Mace would have lost against Sidious.

No. That just brings up the question again why you think that Anakin is better trained in lightsaber combat than Exar Kun because there is nothing to base that assumption on.

And in "teh z0ne" Anakin was not able to overcome Obi-Wan. Are you going to claim now that Obi-Wan > Dooku and Exar Kun in saber combat ? If so, make another thread.

But just for your information. We had some nice debates here regarding Dooku's abilities and if I remember correctly he was sorted to one level with people like Malak and Ulic at that time. So I guess Kun is superior to him in saber combat not to mention that he's definetely superior to Dooku when it comes to force abilities and raw physical shape.

Really. The omniscient narrator claims that Vodo is an "experienced duellist" which means that he, obviously, had some experience real duels otherwise that statement wouldn't make much sense. We see that he's capable of defeating Kun in their first engagement by finding the balance point of his apprentice and simply sent him flying - and this against the same Kun he noted to be the most formidable student he ever had. And there is the fact that he trained all Jedi in lightsaber combat on Ossus.

Does that make him a saber powerhouse ? No, because we don't see him fight with a lightsaber really. Does it make him a being that is quite skilled in the art of combat, in fact more skilled than most if not any other Jedi Master in his own era going by the fact that they take their students to him to be trained in that department ? Quite likely. So what do you think how good somebody must be to toy with such an individual and leave it without the slightest chance to win ?

a) I agree with Faunus here.
b) Having to ask Lightsnake for some sources says a lot about your ability to debate SW related topics.

In comparison to you a dead starfish is an authority when it comes to logical reasoning.

No. It was the glowing of his amulet that did put the fingers through the Chancellors skull. Oh wait. Kun always wears this amulet so it doesn't matter if that action was aided by his force abilities (and I'd say the amulet was glowing because he used some sort of mind-control on the Chancellor).

No, of course. I know that logical reasoning isn't your cup of tea. We could continue the debate on your level. For that we just need to repeat the line: "No you're wrong because I'm correct" as long as one of us succumbs to inevitable boredom.

ROFL, DS. So his force mastery which doesn't influence lightsaber abilities is what makes him an uber duellist. Nice way to turn your entire argument into absurd babble by stating yourself what you wanted to question the entire time. WTF ?

Can somebody translate this for me ? You might want to get your own thoughts straight before trying to debate, DS.

And that must be the most stupid thing I've read from you so far. So you don't know how strong Anakin is because you don't know any feat that speaks for his physical strenght. Yet you still argue that he must be stronger than Kun ? 🙄 [/B]

You have the reading comprehension of a paraplegic 3 year old. I have NEVER stated that Anakin was physically superior to Kun. The only thing I have stated regarding this matter was that I've read about Anakin's physical abilities but I forgot where, so I'm trying to get the sources from lightsnake.
www.hookedonphonics.com... Read it, acknowledge it, embrace it, apply it.

1. Jacen was never on the ship. He said he wasn't interested in it and gave it to Lumiya.
2. We have no idea how old the ship is, but its "powerful masters" could be Sadow, or more logically, even before Sadow's time, when the ancient sith were uber powerful (anywhere up until Ragnos).
3. Jacen's and Luke's power inconsistencies make it hard to argue how powerful Jacen truly is. Logically, he wouldn't be able to wash DE Sidious' shoes, but these LOTF books make him comparable to Luke.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
The ship has met 2 Sith in Alema's time....ok, three if Alema's counted.

One of them being Jacen, who is one of the more powerful Sith that we know of.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
And again: the ship's age is unknown. For all you know, it belonged to Tulak and Ragnos.

This is true. It doesn't change the underlying fact that it belonged to an Ancient Sith at one time and felt them to be more powerful than the modern-day Sith.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Was Jacen even ON the ship? It's been a while since I read it, but I recall him just handing it off to Lumiya

It's been quite some time for me aswell. I believe that he held it in storage for some time and I'm pretty sure it could have sensed his power reguardless of whether or not he actually boarded it as it communicated with other people (Lumiya for instance, Alema as well) when they were not onboard.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Jacen and Luke battled rather savagely there. . Granted, Jacen himself admitted he could die, but Jacen's displayed powerful that rivals most, if any top tier

I strongly disagree. Luke did not display power in that fight anywhere near what we've seen him do in other, more dire occasions. I'm not saying Luke would pwn him, but I see a large difference in power none the less.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
If it's 'beyond Alema's imagination', which is subject majorly to hyperbole by a device created by the Sith, then it's using Alema's imagination as the measuring stick

I understand that. However, if it did not truly believe that it's previous Masters were more powerful it would not have claimed them to be so reguardless of whether or not it exagerrated their power to some extent. It's akin to you fighting Chuck Liddel. I might say that he's a thousand times better fighter than you, which isn't true, but he is still better than you.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
All it does is further what everyone acknowledges: The best of the Ancient Sith Empire is way up there, but doesn't stack up to Palpatine or Luke.

However, what very few people acknowledge is that they were above people like Jacen and other Sith.

The best of the ancient sith are below Luke and Sidious. That's all. Jacen's power is incredible but his offensive abilities don't seem all too impressive.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
One of them being Jacen, who is one of the more powerful Sith that we know of.

However, what very few people acknowledge is that they were above people like Jacen and other Sith.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Again: Was he on it? If not, the poot is rendered a bit moot

I'll quote myself here: "I'm pretty sure it could have sensed his power reguardless of whether or not he actually boarded it as it communicated with other people (Lumiya for instance, Alema as well) when they were not onboard."

Originally posted by Lightsnake
It's met 2 Sith, again:
Lumiya, who by her admission is a cripple, and possibly Jacen-possibly....assuming he's not shielding himself

We all know Lumiya was rather powerful. Vader was a cripple too, yet he was still extremely powerful.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
I'll read through it again....it's ambiguous there, then

Thanks, I would, but I don't have time between high school, junior college, work, and a (small) social life.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Jacen himself even thinks that Luke was gonna finish him before Ben intervened....and Jacen's pretty damn good regardless. You have to be to even fight Luke when he's serious-and when Ben's life's on the line?

If you're talking about something later in Inferno I haven't gotten there yet. Give me another week to finish it, I just bought it last night.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Granted...but again, it's using the twisted mind of a woman unable to defeat a human non-force sensitive

I don't believe it was using just her mind. It had encountered Jacen and Lumiya on it's own.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
I wouldn't call them above Jacen. He's certainly demonstrated more abilities. He severed Ben from the force and reconnected him with a gesture, he's spent five years doing nothing but gaining in power, and in the Dark Side, he's even more powerful.
He's something, undoubtedly.

I agree that his powerful, but the Ancient Sith have the greatest collection of knowledge of any group of Force users ever. He spent five years gaining nothing but power, but he spent that time studying other comparitive weaklings. Exar gained more power than Jacen in only a few months of studying the Ancient Sith. Bane had a tremendous surge in power when he gained third-hand information from the Ancients. I'd say a Sith like Ragnos would be capable of taking Jacen.

Glentract:

1. Lumiya is NOT rather powerful. She was considered only a tiny fly on the wall compared to the power of Vader and Sidious.

2. I'd have to say that by Inferno, Jacen is already more powerful than Kun in the force. His 5 year sojourn amplified his powers exponentially. Now granted, it's more of the authors inconsistencies that somehow make him close to Luke (ridiculous), but he's at the point where DE Sidious is the only one besides Luke who is obviously superior to him.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
I'll quote myself here: "I'm pretty sure it could have sensed his power reguardless of whether or not he actually boarded it as it communicated with other people (Lumiya for instance, Alema as well) when they were not onboard."

He spent five years gaining nothing but power, but he spent that time studying other comparitive weaklings.
Exar gained more power than Jacen in only a few months of studying the Ancient Sith. Bane had a tremendous surge in power when he gained third-hand information from the Ancients. I'd say a Sith like Ragnos would be capable of taking Jacen.

I looked up in Exile, btw, Jacen doesn't board the sphere...he has no physical contact with it.

Duh. Jacen says something like "quaint, but I have no use for it".

I'll say this for Jacen. The bastard can take a beating like none other.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
That's just the point Nai, you finally got it. A superior force user is in no way guaranteed to win a saber fight..

Which I never stated in the first place. I said Kun (specifically) would win against Anakin (specifically) because Anakin has no advantage on Kun. Got that now ? I just listed the fact you acknowledged that Kun was head and shoulders above Anakin in terms of force mastery, to show that Kun is likely capable of enchancing his own physical abilities to a greater extend than Anakin. This was never my main argument for Kun defeating Anakin in a lightsaber fight.

Yes, he did benefit from all of this, even THOUGH Sidious was the superior force user.

You still don't get it. The examples in which the inferior force user defeats the superior are so damn rare. And yet even in this examples the defeat is preceeded by a negation of the former advantage due to superior force mastery. Anakin boost himself spontaneously through using the Dark Side enabling him to defeat Dooku, Mace has unique abilities that counter Sidious superior force mastery.

Or to make it short: You've still prestented no argument why Anakin should be able to defeat Exar Kun. I'm still waiting.

I am arguing the exceptions because it proves being a superior force user doesn't guarantee you a win in a saber duel. That's all.

Which doesn't make sense in the first place, DS. You are arguing that Anakin is going to win a lightsaber fight because of highly unlikely circumstances. And this is already following the assumption that Kun would not deliver instant ownage on Anakin's ass with his force powers but instead rely to his lightsaber.

We also don't go by the distorted logic of "A more powerful force user will always win a saber duel". Reread what Kas'm wrote.

Notice how I, originally, said that the superior force user (assuming equal or superior saber skill) is most likely going to win. To state that Anakin would win a lightsaber fight against Kun (even only possible) while assuming at the same time, that Kun is the by far superior force user, you would have to assume that Anakin's bladework does exceed that of Exar Kun. Got it now ?

No, this is your ASSUMPTION. Please show me where it states that both of them were EQUALS even WITH Mace's Vaapad abilities. Please, go ahead.

" Mace was deep in it now: submerged in Vaapad, swallowed by it, he no longer truly existed as an independent being. [...] He accepted the furious speed of the Sith Lord, drew the shadow's rage and
power into his inmost center- And let it fountain out again. He reflected the fury upon its source as a lightsaber redirects a blaster bolt.
[...]But there was still only the cycle of power, the endless loop, no wound taken on either side, not even the possibility of fatigue.
Impasse. Which might have gone on forever, if Vaapad were Mace's only gift."

Here. Mace is fully submerged in Vaapad an this is the point where he and Sidious are really equal.

I never said he was better trained. Where are you reading this? I am simply refuting your points that Exar Kun being the superior force user and beating Vodo doesn't make him in any way, shape, or form better than Anakin.

Yes, DS. To "refute" my points you - awful for you, I know - would actually need to counter any of my arguments with something else than "No. I don't think so." Mindless antagonizing doesn't equate "debating". From what we see, Kun is in a better shape then Anakin physically, has the greater skill with a lightsaber and - through your own acknowledgement that he does possess superior force mastery - is capable to boosting his natural abilities more than Anakin. This aside from using a style and a weapon that Anakin isn't familiar with.

So could you please tell me where Anakin has any advantage in a lightsaber duel ? Because I still don't see one.

This is just ridiculous on your part. How many times do you have to ignore the fact that everything Anakin threw at Obiwan, Obiwan already knew because Obiwan TRAINED him. Your A>B or whatever riidiculous assertion you're making is plain nonsense.

Obi-Wan did not train Anakin in lightsaber combat. How often do you want to come back with that stupid statement. They went through many sparring sessions, yes. And that's it. By the way: One must love your one-sided statements. So you grant Obi-Wan an advantage here because he knew Anakin inside out. Yet Anakin did also know Obi-Wan inside out and was still not able to defeat him. But somehow he's miracously able to do that to a guy who's more powerful than Obi-Wan, better with a saber than Obi-Wan and who Anakin doesn't know inside out. Great point. Wonder who's posting "nonsense" here.

And as I recall, some of you used to believe Ancient Sith could chuck stars around. What's your point? We progress intellectually so what we 'thought' a month ago, might not be what we think today, in light of either new evidence or a more logical line of thought.

Speaking about intellectual development your life doesn't happen on the fast lane but in the oncoming traffic.

1. Please quantify "Experienced", since you like to throw that word around.
2. Trained all the Jedi on Ossus? Is this star wars according to Nai now?

1. Do I have to type down anything ten times here ? His experience comes from the fact that he did fight in the Third Great Schism and the Great Droid Revolution (and survived both), aside from having dedicated his life to training Jedi in the art of lightsaber combat. This aside from the fact that this "experience" enables him to floor Exar Kun with a single attack.

2. No. This is Star Wars according to Tom Veitch. In "The Freedon Nadd Uprising" Vodo is seen training students on Ossus. In the rather short timeframe of the TOTJ series he's seen to have 6 apprentices. This fully trained in what ? A year ? A month (Nomi) ? Nomi trains under him just some weeks according to the comics. So yes. There could be virtually 1000s of "Vodo trained" Jedi around in the TOTJ era.

No, it does not make him more skilled than any other jedi master, because you have no proof of him training EVERYONE on Ossus, and everyone sending students to HIM. Furthermore, Ulic is at least Vodo's superior, so at his best, Vodo is #3 in his era.

He trained the best duellist in his era and was, at first, able to outright floor him with a single movement. Ulic is Vodo's superior ? Your proof for that ? I didn't see Ulic flooring Exar Kun with a single movement...

Actually it has nothing to do with sw related topics Nai. Your ignorance is obvious here. Me asking lightsnake for sources means I remember reading about Anakin's physical abilities but not remembering where I read them, and since LS has more SW material than anyone here, I could legitimately ask him for the source. But thanks for your ignorant opinion.

a) It doesn't change the fact that you started arguing something without having any idea what you're talking about. Does it ?

b) You don't have the sources or can't get yourself the information but you have to ask lightsnake to do the job for you ? And you want to study at an university ? Ahahaha.

c) I doubt that Lightsnake has most SW material here.

But thanks for your weak justification attempt. There is a german proverb that says: "Nur getroffene Hunde jaulen."

Yet again, judging by your distorted logic and ridiculous assertions (not to mention mentally retarded insults and trolling), I doubt you'd recognize logical reasoning if it came up behind you and offered you sex.

I guess you're talking out of experience since "logical reasoning" f*cks you up everytime you try to debate here, correct ?

Ah, so we're talking about force aided physical abilities, not natural physical abilities. It's about time Nai, thanks.

Dude. Aside from the fact that you would have to proof that this movement was "force aided" I don't see what else I could have meant with "force mastery does have an influence on duelling ability" in the first place. But nice it has finally arrived at your brain now. Did take a long time to get there.

You might want to jump back into reality, not reality according to Nai.

Another lousy excuse for dropping your twisted thoughts on the board. Yay. One must love them.

You have the reading comprehension of a paraplegic 3 year old. I have NEVER stated that Anakin was physically superior to Kun. The only thing I have stated regarding this matter was that I've read about Anakin's physical abilities but I forgot where, so I'm trying to get the sources from lightsnake.

No, DS. You went down the road of the antagonizing troll again. I gave you examples why I labelled Kun superior in physical abilities to Anakin and you, in your regular way, replied with "No, he isn't." Because ? Oh yes. "Because I think I might have read something somewhere. But I don't know what it was anymore but maybe Lightsnake can help me out here before Nai kicks my silly noob ass back to Nouvotasmania." Really, DS. If you oppose points you should have a reason to do so and not just the good hope that somebody else might have anything to say on the issue. I've always thought people learn such stuff before they're allowed to attent an University. My fault...

Originally posted by Borbarad
Which I never stated in the first place. I said Kun (specifically) would win against Anakin (specifically) because Anakin has no advantage on Kun. Got that now ? I just listed the fact you acknowledged that Kun was head and shoulders above Anakin in terms of force mastery, to show that Kun is likely capable of enchancing his own physical abilities to a greater extend than Anakin. This was never my main argument for Kun defeating Anakin in a lightsaber fight.

Obi-Wan did [b]not train Anakin in lightsaber combat. How often do you want to come back with that stupid statement. They went through many sparring sessions, yes. And that's it. By the way: One must love your one-sided statements. So you grant Obi-Wan an advantage here because he knew Anakin inside out. Yet Anakin did also know Obi-Wan inside out and was still not able to defeat him. But somehow he's miracously able to do that to a guy who's more powerful than Obi-Wan, better with a saber than Obi-Wan and who Anakin doesn't know inside out. Great point. Wonder who's posting "nonsense" here.

Speaking about intellectual development your life doesn't happen on the fast lane but in the oncoming traffic.

1. Do I have to type down anything ten times here ? His experience comes from the fact that he did fight in the Third Great Schism and the Great Droid Revolution (and survived both), aside from having dedicated his life to training Jedi in the art of lightsaber combat. This aside from the fact that this "experience" enables him to floor Exar Kun with a single attack.

2. No. This is Star Wars according to Tom Veitch. In "The Freedon Nadd Uprising" Vodo is seen training students on Ossus. In the rather short timeframe of the TOTJ series he's seen to have 6 apprentices. This fully trained in what ? A year ? A month (Nomi) ? Nomi trains under him just some weeks according to the comics. So yes. There could be virtually 1000s of "Vodo trained" Jedi around in the TOTJ era.

He trained the best duellist in his era and was, at first, able to outright floor him with a single movement. Ulic is Vodo's superior ? Your proof for that ? I didn't see Ulic flooring Exar Kun with a single movement...

a) It doesn't change the fact that you started arguing something without having any idea what you're talking about. Does it ?

b) You don't have the sources or can't get yourself the information but you have to ask lightsnake to do the job for you ? And you want to study at an university ? Ahahaha.

I guess you're talking out of experience since "logical reasoning" f*cks you up everytime you try to debate here, correct ?

No, DS. You went down the road of the antagonizing troll again. I gave you examples why I labelled Kun superior in physical abilities to Anakin and you, in your regular way, replied with "No, he isn't." Because ? Oh yes. "Because I think I might have read something somewhere. But I don't know what it was anymore but maybe Lightsnake can help me out here before Nai kicks my silly noob ass back to Nouvotasmania." Really, DS. If you oppose points you should have a reason to do so and not just the good hope that somebody else might have anything to say on the issue. I've always thought people learn such stuff before they're allowed to attent an University.My fault... [/B]

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Because ANakin has no advantage over Kun, Kun is going to win? That's an argument Nai? I'm glad you acknowledged the obvious.

Because Kun is the better lightsaber duellist and the superior force user he's going to win.

Rare Nai? Out of the myriads of lightsaber duels we've seen(sarcasm), I've given you 3. I get it Nai. Your main argument is still that Kun is superior to Anakin in the force, so he'd win in saber combat.

Yay. You should probably get your hand on some sources before you start with the sarcasm. I've seen quite a lot lightsaber duels in the EU. And my main argument is still that Kun is superior to Anakin in both: Force mastery and lightsaber combat.

My argument is that Anakin was able to make short work of someone who was supposedly superior to him in all aspects.

Yes. And as I said: You argue that Anakin is always on his lucky day when we see that his average skill is not enough to defeat Obi-Wan Kenobi who was supposely below him in all aspects. So what ?

Your argument is that Kun pwned Vodo.. ANd he has a unique saber and style. Please tell me how your argument is ANY better than mine?

Because Kun doesn't need to have his lucky day to use his unique weapon and style and he also doesn't need his lucky day to toy with Vodo and completely destroy him. Did Anakin toy with Dooku ? Nope.

I don't recall me saying that Anakin is going to win, ANYWHERE Nai. I simply stated that your argument is inconclusive (if not illogical), and it's fair to say Anakin COULD win the fight, not that he WOULD.

And now he comes back again with the lame excuses. May I quote yourself once again: "Kun>Anakin with the force, this much is clear. But if they had a lightsaber battle, I highly doubt Exar Kun would have this." So if you doubt that Kun would "have it" would he engage in a lightsaber duel with Anakin...who do you think would win then because according to that above, you didn't say that Anakin would win, eh ? Ridiculous.

Spare me Nai. You damn well know we are arguing lightsaber combat, so please keep your Kun fanboyism(irrelevant misdirection) to yourself.

No. You are arguing lightsaber combat here based on a distorted premise anyways ("Kun would rather engage Anakin in a lightsaber duel instead of slapping him with his force powers."😉. Remember ?

You have never stated anything resembling "most likely". Your argument is "kun wtfpwns anakin with the force therefore he will win a saber fight", or something to that extent. Or the fact that he put Vodo on his ass.

I wonder how you were capable of surviving to your present age (12 ?) with that outstanding bad memory. I did state nothing. I merely asked you why you think Anakin would be able to win a lightsaber fight against a being that's more capable than him in enchancing his physical abilities through the force (precognition, greater strength / speed) that knows Anakin's style inside out while using a unique weapon and a uniques style himself. You still didn't answer that. Except you consider "Anakin was able to defeat Dooku" to be an argument.

I watched the movies Nai. Mace wasn't submerged in anything when he was stalemating Sidious. As far as I remember, it was his Vaapad that allowed him to push Sidious back and then the shatterpoint ability which put sidious on his ass.

Wow. I quoted the novel in case you didn't notice it you damn idiot. And if you want to go by the movie I didn't hear the terms "Vaapad" and "Shatterpoint" there.

No Nai, I don't. It seems like you don't get it. You are saying that Kun has a very good chance to win the saber duel because his force mastery is superior to Anakin's, and Anakin would have to be head and shoulders above Kun in saber combat to be guaranteed a victory, which I agree with. However, what I am saying is, that's hardly an argument or anything conclusive that's going to give Kun a victory.

It can't be that hard to understand. Read your own words above. You stated that you don't think Kun would win a lightsaber fight. Period. I've always sort that one would need a reason to have a certain oppinion regarding a certain topic. Obviously that's not the case. Now you're trying to twist it.

Anakin didn't have one against Dooku. What's your point? What's kun's advantage? "Omg unique saber and style!!"

Anakin did have an advantage against Dooku. The advantage was that he was younger and, through using the Dark Side, received a spontaneous burst of power that Dooku wasn't capable of countering with what he had in terms of lightsaber skill and force powers. Is Exar Kun now Count Dooku ? No. Can Anakin even defeat the Count in every single fight ? I don't think so. So why you always come back with that incident ?

Obiwan didn't train Anakin? Are you daft? What the hell was he doing for the past 12 years then? Polishing Anakin's nob? Here's the kicker Nai, and I'm sure you'll remember this from POD. Obiwan taught Anakin everything Anakin knew, but he didn't teach him everything Obiwan knew. So there is yet another flaw in your argument. Try again...

What nonsense. Did Kenobi ever learn Djem So ? No ? What the hell ? So how could he have taught Anakin his lightsaber style ? He didn't ? But I thought he taught Anakin everything. The RotS novel elaborates quite much on the topic saying that both went up against each other in thousands of hours of practice fight. Obviously Anakin did know Kenobi inside and out vice versa when it came to lightsaber fights. And while Kenobi might have some things up his sleeve he didn't tell Anakin one could assume that the same is true for Anakin. So there is no flaw in my argument but just in your line of thought.

Good one for a pseudointellectual troll who can't comprehend simple concepts. If my life happens in oncoming traffic, what the hell does that say about your pudding for a brain?

Oh my god, kid. You really want to keep up those lame attempts to flame me ? Pathetic. Do it right or stop it.

And how many times do I have to spell it out for you? Experience doesn't equate to power. You can't quantify Vodo's experience at all. Got it? Probably not.

Dude. He floored Exar Kun with a single movement. Really. I don't think I have to quantify Vodo's power if he's shown to floor a lightsaber prodigy with a single move by finding the balance point of his opponent and exploit it. That alone is a testament for Vodo's combat skill.

Wonderful Nai. YOu preach logic, insult intelligence, and your arguments consists of "could be". Good lord, you must be a debating extraordinaire.

A comment coming from somebody who can't seperate an argument from an explanation. Yay. Notice how there are 6 people Vodo trained in roughly a year. Well...shall we assume that he didn't train equal amounts of people before that just because that fits your oppinion better ? Nope. I don't think so. And I hope you can do the required math yourself.

I'm starting to think you get really stoned/drunk, and then decide to post here. What the hell kind of logic is that? Vodo floored Kun, and then Kun wtfpwned Vodo. Kun couldn't do a damn thing to Ulic.

You notice that you're still arguing based on an interrupted fight happening with totally different circumstances ? Did I miss the point where Kun used two lightsaber against Ulic ? Did I miss the point where Ulic was fighting with a stick ? The point is that Vodo was capable to floor Kun while Ulic wasn't.

Oh, you're a wonderful authority on ignorance.

Must come from the fact that I studied your posts so well.

This is possibly the dumbest thing I've ever read.

I knew you don't read your own post. But nice that you've proven me right there.

I don't know how you've managed to breath throughout your entire life. I don't have the sources so I should waste my money and get them just to debate, rather than simply ask someone for the source or page number? Idiot doesn't even begin to describe you.

Wow. You really must be the first being in history who managed to be accepted at an University without knowing what a Public Library is. That's aside of using the internet and debating in a forum where certain sites that contain a lot of SWsources are linked rather often.

But it's nice that "idiot" doesn't even begin to descripe me. How can somebody descripe a being that doesn't know jack shit about a certain thematic field but tries to debate on exactly that field of knowledge ? Excuse me, DS. Would you also enter a debate about Greek Philosophers without knowing a single piece of stuff coming from them and then ask another participant of that debate for information regarding the topic because of being too lazy to get them yourself ? Yes. Then "idiot" doesn't begin to descripe you, Darth Shithead. But if the answer to the question is "no", I wonder why you try it here.

Not to mention how nice it is that LS doesn't even bother to come up with some stuff here. Smart decission, if you ask me. Gives entirely new meaning to the sentence "Don't feed the troll", eh ?

Considering you don't seem to have any idea what you're talking about, other than your distorted reality and fanboyism.

Oh damn. Mr "Lightsnake. Do you have some sources for me ? Please ?" is talking about "having no idea". Did somebody listen ?

Yep, you're definitely the paradigm of ignorance.

And you definitely have no idea what the word "paradigm" even means, kid.

You start with the insults (moronic ones at that), and suddenly I'm a troll.

No. You already were the troll before I started with the "insults".

So we've established that you have no idea what a troll is, otherwise you'd be looking at a mirror.

Why should I look into a mirror. I usually see myself there and not you.

Btw Nai, it's attend, not attent, but I guess they don't teach spelling nor grammar in wonderful Germany.

z0mg. I made a typo @ 3 a.m. You totally owned me there. Shall we continue the debate in German ? Or don't they teach that in Texas ? We can also do it in French, Italian, Icelandic, Spanish, Greek, Latin and I might even give it a try in Japanese. You can't do that ? Wow. Want to ridicule yourself further in your useless attempt to attack my level of education ? Another German proverb for you: Was kümmert es den Mond, wenn der Wolf ihn anheult ? Got that ? 😉

Originally posted by Borbarad
Oh damn. Mr "Lightsnake. Do you have some sources for me ? Please ?" is talking about "having no idea". Did somebody listen ?

z0mg. I made a typo @ 3 a.m. You totally owned me there. Shall we continue the debate in German ? Or don't they teach that in Texas ? We can also do it in French, Italian, Icelandic, Spanish, Greek, Latin and I might even give it a try in Japanese. You can't do that ? Wow. Want to ridicule yourself further in your useless attempt to attack my level of education ? Another German proverb for you: Was kümmert es den Mond, wenn der Wolf ihn anheult ? Got that ? 😉

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
You can't possibly still be typing Nai. Your bullshit should have ended pages ago. Please cease with your E-monologue.

par·a·digm /ˈpærəˌdaɪm, -dɪm/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[par-uh-dahym, -dim] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1. Grammar.
2. an example serving as a model; pattern.
Well Nai, perhaps I should have used "epitome", seeing as how you don't understand simple vocabulary/concepts/common sense/anything.

Oh good one. "I know you are but what am I". Seeing as how you just made an unsupported assumption, and how you started with the name calling, I guess reality>Nai's delusions. Try again..

Congratulations Nai.. I just had a sandwich. You know the moral of the story? Nobody cares.

Wait a second, didn't you attempt to attack my ALLEGED level of education? Good lord Nai it's quite obvious you either don't read what you type, or are ignorant beyond belief. I know enough languages to debate with you but I'm afraid you don't possess the intelligence nor the attention span to debate anything logically.

Nice way to ignore the entire topic, DS and fling yourself at some statements. Give me a call when you've graduated from the kindergarten. Oh nope. Don't give me a call.

It's kindergarten Nai, not THE kindergarten.

To be fair, DS, you have deliberately ignored his points and countered it without valid sources, valid logic structure, and civil discourse.

In short, you failed any point you were trying to make, whether or not it was a valid one, simply by virtue of your pointless deflections and personal attacks. Your posts had absolutely no substance, you simply said "Nuh uh" to everything he supported and then insulted him when it became apparent that you couldn't chase him off with persistant adherence to complete close-mindedness.

So yeah, if you intend not to be a troll in this case, you need to work harder. I've read the entire argument between you two and you have YET to make a valid point.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
It's kindergarten Nai, not THE kindergarten.

No. It's Kindergarten, because it's a German word, DS.