Naruto people are NOT light speed. That is complete bullshit wankery.
Haku was NOT moving at light speed. Nowhere in the dub (which sucks to begin with) ever states that. Nowhere in the Jpn anime, did it say that. Nowhere in the original manga, did it say that. Nowhere in the source material says that Naruto characters can move from country to country.
Aizen blitzes Itachi, cuts his head off and spits down his throat before Itachi can even begin channeling chakra into his Mangekyou Sharingan.
Originally posted by Haruhi
Naruto people are NOT light speed. That is complete bullshit wankery.Haku was NOT moving at light speed. Nowhere in the dub (which sucks to begin with) ever states that. Nowhere in the Jpn anime, did it say that. Nowhere in the original manga, did it say that. Nowhere in the source material says that Naruto characters can move from country to country.
Aizen blitzes Itachi, cuts his head off and spits down his throat before Itachi can even begin channeling chakra into his Mangekyou Sharingan.
As far the lightspeed thing goes I'm not stickign to that cause I've been looking over old episodes and can't find it so it probaly isnt' true.
As for Aizen speed blitcing ITachi. Now way no how. Or unless they show him with speed like that which they haven't, I don't know why people assume that he can do that.
Originally posted by Warmonger
As far the lightspeed thing goes I'm not stickign to that cause I've been looking over old episodes and can't find it so it probaly isnt' true.As for Aizen speed blitcing ITachi. Now way no how. Or unless they show him with speed like that which they haven't, I don't know why people assume that he can do that.
Originally posted by HaruhiActually I have heard that he was moving at lightspeed in the English dub but not the manga or japanese version.
Naruto people are NOT light speed. That is complete bullshit wankery.Haku was NOT moving at light speed. Nowhere in the dub (which sucks to begin with) ever states that. Nowhere in the Jpn anime, did it say that. Nowhere in the original manga, did it say that. Nowhere in the source material says that Naruto characters can move from country to country.
Aizen blitzes Itachi, cuts his head off and spits down his throat before Itachi can even begin channeling chakra into his Mangekyou Sharingan.
Originally posted by Big Sexy
Actually I have heard that he was moving at lightspeed in the English dub but not the manga or japanese version.
Originally posted by Akuki
We believe he can blitz him, because even the lower bleach characters have extremely enhanced speed. Byakuya was able to move fast enough to move over 100 yards, stab ichigo twice in the chest and then move away with speed enough that Renji had trouble seeing the sword being taken out, and Byakuya was at 10% power since he was in the human world. Ichigo in bankai form is far faster than Byakuya in top form, and Aizen has shown himself to be faster than that.
But the same is true in reverse. Evne low level Naruto characters have highly enhanced speeds. Look at the fisrt Naruto episode when the Hokage tells them tot disperse all the village ninja dash off at speeds that are superhuman. The only time we see high speeds in Bleach is when it is a Captian or higher.
Think about it when was the first speed feat in Bleach? It wasn't until Byakuya showed up. Average Naruto ninjas have speed feats. Guys like Rock Lee are even faster than that. So Naruto characters are pretty uch all faster form the word go. What speed feats does Kenpachi have? Renji or evne other high level Bleach characters? Where are their speed feats. How can you sayt hat the basic Shinigami has extermely enhanced speeds when before Ichigo evne released his powers he was able to perceive Rukia just fine?
Everyone in Naurto is fast they no longer make a huge deal about it. The Flash step is just basic movement to NAruto characters.
With that a s a base lets look at the evidence as to why Aizen can't speed blitz ITachi. We have already established that all shinobi move extemely fast. Next we see that Rock lee is even faster than that. Then Sasuke was able to copy and use Rock's speed to sue his chidori. When Sasuke tired to attack ITachi with his new speed what happend? Itachi casuly deflected it without even moving. Thats just like when Ichigo used his Bankai onAizen and it was stopped by a finger. Just when he though he was getting fast he learend that he hadn't evne attianed real speed.
Itachi is superfast in a world filled with superfast people. Azien is superfast in world filed with mostly slow people. Evne though I belive Itachi is faster than Aizen I'll give Aizen the benifit of the doubt and simply call it a draw just swa the mathc cna be interesting. But there is nothing, no evidence or anything like it to say tha Aizen is faster than Itachi.
Originally posted by Violent2Dope
1. Your logic is flawed my friend, just because Deidara can make a blast that large does not make that feat(which also killed Deidara I might add) Itachi's.2. Instantly moved from country to country? Bullshit. Haku's lightspeed? Are you saying that Sasuke's fireballs are lightspeed as well, because Sasuke caught him with one, and you could see Naruto moving when Haku was, and Naruto can't even move faster than sight.
3. Aizen's illusions cannot be countered by Sharingan cause they use no chakra.
its not itachi's feat. but it can easily be used to compare power levels. itachi>diedara. his jutsu are too. the fact that fish dude was SURPRISED at the fact that sasuke had problem with the blast tells us that it is in no way a supreme jutsu.
the two zombie brothers instantly moved out of the country after killing asuma. and haku is explained to be lightspeed. its the speed om an IMAGE appearing in the mirror. he moves from IMAGE TO IMAGE. as a reflection in his ice prison. NOT that i dont believe its PIS, because it is. but that is the OFFICIAL truth. its just there to counter any high end showings of aizen/byakuya when people try to specifically over power characters and not look at low end showings.
shaaringan doesnt just counter genjutsu. it can see through rocks/sleping gas/physical illusions etc. it can even see inside the soul and enter the spirit/conciousness. shaaringan{specially mangekyo} is SUCH a ridiculous level of telepathy/illusion that it isnt even funny. aizen's illusions have ZERO chance against it.
it would take an entire page to state the shaaringan associated powers shown. chakra would acually stand a better chance against it than aizen's illusions.
Originally posted by Violent2Dope
1. Your logic is flawed my friend, just because Deidara can make a blast that large does not make that feat(which also killed Deidara I might add) Itachi's.2. Instantly moved from country to country? Bullshit. Haku's lightspeed? Are you saying that Sasuke's fireballs are lightspeed as well, because Sasuke caught him with one, and you could see Naruto moving when Haku was, and Naruto can't even move faster than sight.
3. Aizen's illusions cannot be countered by Sharingan cause they use no chakra.
its not itachi's feat. but it can easily be used to compare power le
Originally posted by Warmonger
But the same is true in reverse. Evne low level Naruto characters have highly enhanced speeds. Look at the fisrt Naruto episode when the Hokage tells them tot disperse all the village ninja dash off at speeds that are superhuman. The only time we see high speeds in Bleach is when it is a Captian or higher.Think about it when was the first speed feat in Bleach? It wasn't until Byakuya showed up. Average Naruto ninjas have speed feats. Guys like Rock Lee are even faster than that. So Naruto characters are pretty uch all faster form the word go. What speed feats does Kenpachi have? Renji or evne other high level Bleach characters? Where are their speed feats. How can you sayt hat the basic Shinigami has extermely enhanced speeds when before Ichigo evne released his powers he was able to perceive Rukia just fine?
Everyone in Naurto is fast they no longer make a huge deal about it. The Flash step is just basic movement to NAruto characters.
With that a s a base lets look at the evidence as to why Aizen can't speed blitz ITachi. We have already established that all shinobi move extemely fast. Next we see that Rock lee is even faster than that. Then Sasuke was able to copy and use Rock's speed to sue his chidori. When Sasuke tired to attack ITachi with his new speed what happend? Itachi casuly deflected it without even moving. Thats just like when Ichigo used his Bankai onAizen and it was stopped by a finger. Just when he though he was getting fast he learend that he hadn't evne attianed real speed.
Itachi is superfast in a world filled with superfast people. Azien is superfast in world filed with mostly slow people. Evne though I belive Itachi is faster than Aizen I'll give Aizen the benifit of the doubt and simply call it a draw just swa the mathc cna be interesting. But there is nothing, no evidence or anything like it to say tha Aizen is faster than Itachi.
Average ninja in Naruto had speed feats? When? Haku moving at "light speed" is not credible because too much contradicts that statement. Haku was definitely one of the faster characters, even by Naruto standards. His technique allowed him to trap his opponents w/in the ice and from then on, move from mirror to mirror with speed alone and attacking. He's NOT light speed. That's narrative hyperbole at best.
Naruto people are fast, true. But, they still don't compare to Bleach. Characters from Bleach are able to cover miles at a time in a moment with Shyunpo. And Shyunpo is a basic skill for captains. And Aizen being one of the stronger one should give you an idea of how fast he really is. Especially since he manhandled a Bankai Ichigo who was freaking fast himself. Have you even see Bleach to actually be saying that? It doesn't seem like that at all.
Itachi defending Chidori isn't anything worth bragging about. Sasuke wasn't moving very fast anyways, during that little skirmish. He was just running at regular speed when attacking Itachi.
Seriously, Shyunpo allows Bleachers to move miles at a time in an instant. Shyunpo is a low level technique most people use. And guess what, Aizen is especially fast, even among that standard.
Aizen >>>>> Itachi by a long shot.
Sharingan ain't all that great, either. If the Tsukiyomi was as great as you all are making it out to be, why is it that Kakashi was able to actually survive it? His own Sharingan hardly did anything, because the moment his eyes glanced at Itachi, he was immediately losing... but he still came out sane.
Originally posted by Haruhi
Average ninja in Naruto had speed feats? When? Haku moving at "light speed" is not credible because too much contradicts that statement. Haku was definitely one of the faster characters, even by Naruto standards. His technique allowed him to trap his opponents w/in the ice and from then on, move from mirror to mirror with speed alone and attacking. He's NOT light speed. That's narrative hyperbole at best.Naruto people are fast, true. But, they still don't compare to Bleach. Characters from Bleach are able to cover miles at a time in a moment with Shyunpo. And Shyunpo is a basic skill for captains. And Aizen being one of the stronger one should give you an idea of how fast he really is. Especially since he manhandled a Bankai Ichigo who was freaking fast himself. Have you even see Bleach to actually be saying that? It doesn't seem like that at all.
Itachi defending Chidori isn't anything worth bragging about. Sasuke wasn't moving very fast anyways, during that little skirmish. He was just running at regular speed when attacking Itachi.
Seriously, Shyunpo allows Bleachers to move miles at a time in an instant. Shyunpo is a low level technique most people use. And guess what, Aizen is especially fast, even among that standard.
Aizen >>>>> Itachi by a long shot.
Sharingan ain't all that great, either. If the Tsukiyomi was as great as you all are making it out to be, why is it that Kakashi was able to actually survive it? His own Sharingan hardly did anything, because the moment his eyes glanced at Itachi, he was immediately losing... but he still came out sane.
I just pointed out when. From the very first episode the hokage disperse his ninja to chase down Naruto they all flew off in a flash of speed with a Blur. When have low rank Shingami ever moved that fast?
Even when they were chasing Naruto they were moving around the fcity in blurs and Naruto at that time was one of the worst ninjas in Konaha.
I said form the beignig I don't believe that he was moving at light speed but he was moving very fast. Also Haku's speed is not fast by Naruot standards anymore. After a while Sasuke was able to see him moving and was even able to singe his clothes with a fireball. Meaning that at that level Sasuke was almost able to keep up.
Then when he met Rock Lee Rock was able to completly speed blitz him and he couldn't see it or keep up. Why? Because Rock Lee is even faster than Haku was. And that was with his Training weights still on. His speed went up exponentially when he took them off Putting him leagues above Haku. Sasuke who was able to duplicate Rocks speed was still nothign compared to Itachi. Neither was Kakashi, Guy, Asuma or that woman, who are all Jounin.
Miles at a time you say? So how big is soul society. 10 miles 20 miles hell lets say for the F of it that its 100 miles wide. IT took the fast Flash step user 200 Flash steps to get outside the city. If that city is 100 miles wide that means the best flash step user (can't remeber that cat chicks name) only covers half a mile with a flash step. Thats still far faster than Byakuya.
But we both know that that city isn't 100 miles across. Its about 20 miles tops. So she only couvers about 1/10 or 1/20 (my math isn't too exact at this point) either way its nowhere NOWHERE near miles.
Of course he was moving fast thats why it makes that chirping sound. Check Episode 84.
If Aizen's power is so great why did that dog captain survive his attack? Why did he run when the rest of the Cpatians showed up?
Itachi's eye technique isn't deadly just because it can kill you. IT is deadly because after you get hit with it you are nearly comatose, and it doesn't take much at all to finish you off.
Also lets be honest here we haven't seen enough of Aizen to even kow the full extent of his powers, nor Itachi for that matter. But based on whats already been shown to me ITachi>Aizen.
Originally posted by Warmonger
But the same is true in reverse. Evne low level Naruto characters have highly enhanced speeds. Look at the fisrt Naruto episode when the Hokage tells them tot disperse all the village ninja dash off at speeds that are superhuman. The only time we see high speeds in Bleach is when it is a Captian or higher.Think about it when was the first speed feat in Bleach? It wasn't until Byakuya showed up. Average Naruto ninjas have speed feats. Guys like Rock Lee are even faster than that. So Naruto characters are pretty uch all faster form the word go. What speed feats does Kenpachi have? Renji or evne other high level Bleach characters? Where are their speed feats. How can you sayt hat the basic Shinigami has extermely enhanced speeds when before Ichigo evne released his powers he was able to perceive Rukia just fine?
Everyone in Naurto is fast they no longer make a huge deal about it. The Flash step is just basic movement to NAruto characters.
With that a s a base lets look at the evidence as to why Aizen can't speed blitz ITachi. We have already established that all shinobi move extemely fast. Next we see that Rock lee is even faster than that. Then Sasuke was able to copy and use Rock's speed to sue his chidori. When Sasuke tired to attack ITachi with his new speed what happend? Itachi casuly deflected it without even moving. Thats just like when Ichigo used his Bankai onAizen and it was stopped by a finger. Just when he though he was getting fast he learend that he hadn't evne attianed real speed.
Itachi is superfast in a world filled with superfast people. Azien is superfast in world filed with mostly slow people. Evne though I belive Itachi is faster than Aizen I'll give Aizen the benifit of the doubt and simply call it a draw just swa the mathc cna be interesting. But there is nothing, no evidence or anything like it to say tha Aizen is faster than Itachi.
Aizen's attack didn't kill the Captain because he was messing around. In bleach if you leave off the enchantment part of the spell, the spell becomes about 3 or 4 times more difficult to cast. Aizen was casting on of the most powerful spells that no other shinigami has approached without the enchantment just to test himself, and as a result of that the spell was only 1/3 it's normal power. Anyways Aizen left soul society because he chose to, not because he was defeated. Also what could Itachi do to hurt Aizen, Aizen either uses his reiatsu to pin Itachi to the ground and cut his head off, and Aizen has been shown to block extremely powerful blades and attacks with his bare hands.
Simmering and vanishing is not a speed feat. If you want speed, we need examples of characters traversing Distances in certain Times. Just because: Speed Lines, Blurs, After Images, and Vanishing is associated with speed in Anime, doesn't mean that every instance of these things happen equate to moving at super speed. That's a "inappropriate generalisation".
Originally posted by leonheartmm1. No, that's A>B>C logic, Deidara can do that because he's a bomb specialist, Itachi is stronger cause all he needs to do is speed blitz him or use his Sharingan.
its not itachi's feat. but it can easily be used to compare power levels. itachi>diedara. his jutsu are too. the fact that fish dude was SURPRISED at the fact that sasuke had problem with the blast tells us that it is in no way a supreme jutsu.the two zombie brothers instantly moved out of the country after killing asuma. and haku is explained to be lightspeed. its the speed om an IMAGE appearing in the mirror. he moves from IMAGE TO IMAGE. as a reflection in his ice prison. NOT that i dont believe its PIS, because it is. but that is the OFFICIAL truth. its just there to counter any high end showings of aizen/byakuya when people try to specifically over power characters and not look at low end showings.
shaaringan doesnt just counter genjutsu. it can see through rocks/sleping gas/physical illusions etc. it can even see inside the soul and enter the spirit/conciousness. shaaringan{specially mangekyo} is SUCH a ridiculous level of telepathy/illusion that it isnt even funny. aizen's illusions have ZERO chance against it.
it would take an entire page to state the shaaringan associated powers shown. chakra would acually stand a better chance against it than aizen's illusions.
2. ........That's bullshit, they did not travel a country's distance in one instance. Haku is not lightspeed, are you actually going to try and argue that Sasuke's fireball was also lightspeed?
3. Sharingan cannot see through rocks, that is bullshit, only Byakugan can. It can't see through anything physical, as shown by Kakashi who can't see through his headband while wearing it over his Sharingan to keep from wasting his chakra. See inside the soul? That helps how? All it did for Sasuke is allow him to supress the Kyuubi.
Originally posted by Warmonger
I just pointed out when. From the very first episode the hokage disperse his ninja to chase down Naruto they all flew off in a flash of speed with a Blur. When have low rank Shingami ever moved that fast?
Wrong, wrong, wrong. That is most definitely not a speed feat. Tons of anime characters move around like that. In order for it to be a speed feat, you need to compare it to what's happening around him. For instance, we know Byakuya was so fast (and in weak form) that he was able to cut Ichigo's sword without Ichigo even noticing it, then move back so that it doesn't even look like he moved from the spot he was standing on. That's a speed feat. Simply "moving in a blur" is not legitimate. That's like saying Daffy Duck is super speed because he makes that random dash effect on cartoons. Not legitimate.
Then when he met Rock Lee Rock was able to completly speed blitz him and he couldn't see it or keep up. Why? Because Rock Lee is even faster than Haku was. And that was with his Training weights still on. His speed went up exponentially when he took them off Putting him leagues above Haku. Sasuke who was able to duplicate Rocks speed was still nothign compared to Itachi. Neither was Kakashi, Guy, Asuma or that woman, who are all Jounin.
Itachi has fast hand speed. Nowhere did he actually move around as fast as Rock Lee and definitely not as fast as Aizen.
Miles at a time you say? So how big is soul society. 10 miles 20 miles hell lets say for the F of it that its 100 miles wide. IT took the fast Flash step user 200 Flash steps to get outside the city. If that city is 100 miles wide that means the best flash step user (can't remeber that cat chicks name) only covers half a mile with a flash step. Thats still far faster than Byakuya.But we both know that that city isn't 100 miles across. Its about 20 miles tops. So she only couvers about 1/10 or 1/20 (my math isn't too exact at this point) either way its nowhere NOWHERE near miles.
It took Shunsui and Ukitake only one Shyunpo movement to traverse several miles, when they were about to fight Ganryusai. Also, keep in mind that Shyunpo can be controlled. A single Shyunpo movement can be a few meters, or up to miles at a time. Just having more allows you to confuse your opponents more.
Of course he was moving fast thats why it makes that chirping sound. Check Episode 84.
Wrong, Chidori makes that sound, even when NOT moving.
Also lets be honest here we haven't seen enough of Aizen to even kow the full extent of his powers, nor Itachi for that matter. But based on whats already been shown to me ITachi>Aizen.
Aizen curbstomped Renji AND Bankai Ichigo via speedblitz like it was nothing. Try to understand how fast Bankai Ichigo was, before you think his speed isn't all that. He even speed blitzed Hitsugaya like nothing, and he's a captain. What has Itachi done so far that even puts him half on Aizen's level? Nothing.
Originally posted by Violent2Dope
1. No, that's A>B>C logic, Deidara can do that because he's a bomb specialist, Itachi is stronger cause all he needs to do is speed blitz him or use his Sharingan.2. ........That's bullshit, they did not travel a country's distance in one instance. Haku is not lightspeed, are you actually going to try and argue that Sasuke's fireball was also lightspeed?
3. Sharingan cannot see through rocks, that is bullshit, only Byakugan can. It can't see through anything physical, as shown by Kakashi who can't see through his headband while wearing it over his Sharingan to keep from wasting his chakra. See inside the soul? That helps how? All it did for Sasuke is allow him to supress the Kyuubi.
a>b>c logic works perfectly in shounen manga/anime. specially naruto. this is the vastly inconsistant and retconned marvel/dc comics. i wasnt talking about him being a bomb specialist. im talking about the STRENGTH of the jutsu. concentrated or wide affect. urochimaru/itachi etc hae far stronger and damaging jutsu than diedara. your also discrediting fish boys ridicule of sasuke for taking so long with the fight.
and itachi is also stornger as his amaterasu burns hotter than the core of the sun. speedblitz and genjutsu are not his only options.
2. they did, they were out of the fire country where they were being hunted. also, they were at the ceremony of sealing the bijuu. haku was lightspeed. explicitly stated. HOWEVER, it was PIS. i admit that. the thing is, if you can use only high end feats to ridiculously power up bleach characters then im allowed to use high end feats to ridiculously power up naruto characters. get what im sayin
shaaringan can see through rocks. thats why itachi could hit all the targets in his anbu days, even those behind a rock. same with sasuke in his fight with naruto.shaaringan can most definately see through solid object. kakashi's wearing of the headband was only serious in the first 30 or so episodes. after that it was just symbolic. he normally keeps his shaaringan eye CLOSED.
i wasnt talking about how it helps. i was merely saying that the fact tht shinigami dont have chakra circulatory systems doesnt HELP them evade genjutsu since itachi's genjustu attacks the SOUL and not just your senses or chakra circulatory system.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
a>b>c logic works perfectly in shounen manga/anime. specially naruto. this is the vastly inconsistant and retconned marvel/dc comics. i wasnt talking about him being a bomb specialist. im talking about the STRENGTH of the jutsu. concentrated or wide affect. urochimaru/itachi etc hae far stronger and damaging jutsu than diedara. your also discrediting fish boys ridicule of sasuke for taking so long with the fight.and itachi is also stornger as his amaterasu burns hotter than the core of the sun. speedblitz and genjutsu are not his only options.
2. they did, they were out of the fire country where they were being hunted. also, they were at the ceremony of sealing the bijuu. haku was lightspeed. explicitly stated. HOWEVER, it was PIS. i admit that. the thing is, if you can use only high end feats to ridiculously power up bleach characters then im allowed to use high end feats to ridiculously power up naruto characters. get what im sayin
shaaringan can see through rocks. thats why itachi could hit all the targets in his anbu days, even those behind a rock. same with sasuke in his fight with naruto.shaaringan can most definately see through solid object. kakashi's wearing of the headband was only serious in the first 30 or so episodes. after that it was just symbolic. he normally keeps his shaaringan eye CLOSED.
i wasnt talking about how it helps. i was merely saying that the fact tht shinigami dont have chakra circulatory systems doesnt HELP them evade genjutsu since itachi's genjustu attacks the SOUL and not just your senses or chakra circulatory system.
1. So what if Amaretsu is hotter than sunfire? It's not like Itachi will have a chance to use it against Aizen.... seeing as how he's going to be blitzed.
2. They did not trek across an entire country in an instant. And Haku stating he's light speed has way too many things going against it. For one thing, it wasn't stated in the ORIGINAL Japanese manga. Nor was it stated in the ORIGINAL Japanese anime. You simply cannot use a dub as your support. And another thing is, it's narrative hyperbole. To be light speed, you would literally have be at your destination before you actually left. That's a general idea of how fast light speed is. Haku was tagged by slow ass fire. He was even caught by Naruto. Are you going to say they're faster than light now? No, because that would be a ridiculous lie. And we're not "powering up" Bleach characters. We're telling you what is actually done. You're just wanking Naruto characters WAY past what they have done.
Itachi nailing those targets wasn't because of his Sharingan. It was because of his skill with the kunai/shuriken. And, no. he actually keeps his Sharingan eyes always activated. Since he's a true heir to the Sharingan, he doesn't waste chakra/strength, by keeping it on. Only time he actually did deactivate it was after he used Tsukiyomi twice and Amaretsu afterwards.
A>B>C logic doesn't work in Naruto. At least, not as well. Especially with Itachi. Think about it..
Itachi > Orochimaru. Generally, Orochimaru = Jiraiya >/= Tsunade (but barely) in terms of strength. When Kisame and Itachi were in Konoha, they deliberately avoided confrontation with Jiraiya, because they would get injured. THEY would get injured. That means two Akatsuki would barely be able to hold off Jiraiya, a sannin. Do you see the contradiction here? Akatsuki ain't shit. Especially to the likes of Aizen.
Where are you getting this "he's attacking the SOUL" crap? Genjutsu affects your perception of REALITY. That's what genjutsu (or really, genjitsu) literally means. Nowhere did it state that Itachi attacks your soul. That's crap. It messes with your mind, but not soul. You need to drop that argument, because it's blatantly not true
Originally posted by Haruhi
1. So what if Amaretsu is hotter than sunfire? It's not like Itachi will have a chance to use it against Aizen.... seeing as how he's going to be blitzed.2. They did not trek across an entire country in an instant. And Haku stating he's light speed has way too many things going against it. For one thing, it wasn't stated in the ORIGINAL Japanese manga. Nor was it stated in the ORIGINAL Japanese anime. You simply cannot use a dub as your support. And another thing is, it's narrative hyperbole. To be light speed, you would literally have be at your destination before you actually left. That's a general idea of how fast light speed is. Haku was tagged by slow ass fire. He was even caught by Naruto. Are you going to say they're faster than light now? No, because that would be a ridiculous lie. And we're not "powering up" Bleach characters. We're telling you what is actually done. You're just wanking Naruto characters WAY past what they have done.
Itachi nailing those targets wasn't because of his Sharingan. It was because of his skill with the kunai/shuriken. And, no. he actually keeps his Sharingan eyes always activated. Since he's a true heir to the Sharingan, he doesn't waste chakra/strength, by keeping it on. Only time he actually did deactivate it was after he used Tsukiyomi twice and Amaretsu afterwards.
A>B>C logic doesn't work in Naruto. At least, not as well. Especially with Itachi. Think about it..
Itachi > Orochimaru. Generally, Orochimaru = Jiraiya >/= Tsunade (but barely) in terms of strength. When Kisame and Itachi were in Konoha, they deliberately avoided confrontation with Jiraiya, because they would get injured. THEY would get injured. That means two Akatsuki would barely be able to hold off Jiraiya, a sannin. Do you see the contradiction here? Akatsuki ain't shit. Especially to the likes of Aizen.
Where are you getting this "he's attacking the SOUL" crap? Genjutsu affects your perception of REALITY. That's what genjutsu (or really, genjitsu) literally means. Nowhere did it state that Itachi attacks your soul. That's crap. It messes with your mind, but not soul. You need to drop that argument, because it's blatantly not true
1. itachi is as fast if not faster than aizen. body flicker etc. he will never get speed blitzed by aizen. there is ZERO evidence to back up aizen.itachi in speed. admit it and let it go.
2. i already SAID that beyond lightspeed haku was PIS. hwever, the speed of IMAGES/reflection was not just dub. it is fact. it is there to counter high end feats when people start saying WHERE DID IT SAY THAT. im not wanking naruto characters anywhere, people just do not wanna admit to the fact that naruto characters have FAR surpassed current bleach characters in all fields.
and tell me, how can you show your SKILL at sumthing if you can not even sense its there? it was a simple display of itachi's level of shaaringan. stop trying to take away obvious feats. also, how the HECK do u think kakshi can see through body tissue/skin and look at the chakra circlatory system and chakra gates/tendons ligaments{all shown in rock lee vs gaar and neiji was hinata fight} if he cant see through solid object???? sorry my friend, you are beaten by evidence here.
and again ur wrong with the single shaaringan. hes already stated to consume more chakra/stamina than a real uchiha. and he doesnt KEEP IT on it alwas IS on by default. thats why he uses the head band to not expose it. what i meant to say was that he kept his EYELID closed to not exert the shaaringan.
and the logic does work. urochimaru has shown to be stronger than both. itachi and kisame avoided confrontation because KISAME was afraid and itachi did not wish to uselessly engage a time consuming target or START A WAR. he stated that later. there is no contradiction, itachi surpassed jiraya's ultiamet unbeatable jutsi which had jiraya flabbergasted. he also was only trying to ESCAPE and didnt stay for a fight. remeber what jiraya told naruto later, "i was barely able to save us both.. the difference between your level and theirs is too great". itachi alone was beyond jiraya. so your fault in my logic is just imaginary. a>b>c works really well in naruto.
as for the last part 😆 😆 . when itachi tsukiyomi'd kakashi. he said, "even you are nothing against my ultimate undispellable genjustu" then he cast it. and when he explained the nature of tsukiyomi, he said "even though your body is fine, your SOUL can not tell the difference between reality and illusion and is fealing the pain. tsukiyomi is an illusion rapped in layers of PAIN through which your soul can not see" rough quote. tsukiyomi also left kakashi SICK for weeks and only tsunade cud heal him. tell me, how do u explain an ILLUSION of perception making a man physically sick for weeks.
fact is, tsukiymi targets the SOUL. and this is backed by the fact that sasuke enters naruto's SOUL with his "accursed shaaringan" as said by the kyuubi before it was suprssed into its seal inside naruto's SOUL.
depowering shaaringan and naruto characters wont work. current aizen will die against itachi. although im still waiting on his bankai{just as itachi's true power is still a mystery}/arrancar.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
1. itachi is as fast if not faster than aizen. body flicker etc. he will never get speed blitzed by aizen. there is ZERO evidence to back up aizen.itachi in speed. admit it and let it go.
Simply put, no. Itachi is not that fast. HE NEVER SHOWED ANY FEATS. Nobody in Naruto EVER showed any feats of speed that were on the level of Bleach. Especially Aizens. You're arguing and making things up as you go along. You pretend I didn't read Naruto, when I'm clearly correcting every lie you're bullshitting.
2. i already SAID that beyond lightspeed haku was PIS. hwever, the speed of IMAGES/reflection was not just dub. it is fact. it is there to counter high end feats when people start saying WHERE DID IT SAY THAT. im not wanking naruto characters anywhere, people just do not wanna admit to the fact that naruto characters have FAR surpassed current bleach characters in all fields.
If Haku LS was PIS then why the hell are you constantly going back to it? Seriously, it's a weak argument. And a completely invalid one, full of holes. And again, Haku moving that fast still isn't as fast as Bleachers are. Your little ace in the hole doesn't apply here. And yes, you ARE wanking Naruto characters to ridiculous levels. When you deny that Itachi is slower than Aizen and other Bleachers, then I know you're wanking it up, because Naruto characters do not move and fight at the level of speed Bleacher do. In fact, have you even seen Bleach that you're pulling this? I mean, seriously. I think anybody that watches it will have an idea of just how ludicrously strong/fast Aizen really is.
and tell me, how can you show your SKILL at sumthing if you can not even sense its there? it was a simple display of itachi's level of shaaringan. stop trying to take away obvious feats. also, how the HECK do u think kakshi can see through body tissue/skin and look at the chakra circlatory system and chakra gates/tendons ligaments{all shown in rock lee vs gaar and neiji was hinata fight} if he cant see through solid object???? sorry my friend, you are beaten by evidence here.
Itachi was up in air when he tossed the kunais. He's seriously that damn good at tossing projectiles. He KNEW it was there. Why the hell do you think he was practicing in the first place? And Kakashi CANNOT see through body tissue/skin. That's limited ONLY to Byakugan. In fact, Kakashi even ADMITS HE CANNOT SEE THEM WITH HIS SHARINGAN. Now I know you're making shit up. Don't try to pull a fast one like that one over me.
and again ur wrong with the single shaaringan. hes already stated to consume more chakra/stamina than a real uchiha. and he doesnt KEEP IT on it alwas IS on by default. thats why he uses the head band to not expose it. what i meant to say was that he kept his EYELID closed to not exert the shaaringan.
That'a Kakashi, who had the Sharingan grafted into his eye. Itachi is a heir, therefore his body is able to handle the Sharingan (and Mangekyou Sharingan) without any wear and tear on his body. You must not know shit about Naruto, huh?
and the logic does work. urochimaru has shown to be stronger than both. itachi and kisame avoided confrontation because KISAME was afraid and itachi did not wish to uselessly engage a time consuming target or START A WAR. he stated that later. there is no contradiction, itachi surpassed jiraya's ultiamet unbeatable jutsi which had jiraya flabbergasted. he also was only trying to ESCAPE and didnt stay for a fight. remeber what jiraya told naruto later, "i was barely able to save us both.. the difference between your level and theirs is too great". itachi alone was beyond jiraya. so your fault in my logic is just imaginary. a>b>c works really well in naruto.
Itachi is the reason Oro even left Akatsuki. How is it that Orochimaru, who is stronger than both Tsunade and Jiraiya, be scared of a person who's not as strong as Jiraiya, with Kisame assist? That contradicts itself. In the hotel where Itachi, Kisame and Naruto were at, Itachi HIMSELF states that if they were to fight Jiraiya, they would BOTH get injured. Why the hell do you think they escaped from inside the frogs tunnel instead of outright fighting Jiraiya? If they were as strong as you claim them to be, they wouldn't have ran away like little bitches. And since when was that an "unbeatable, ultimate" jutsu? Geeze, stop making shit up. Sorry to say, but your logic is as flawed as your idea of Itachi beating Aizen is.
as for the last part 😆 😆 . when itachi tsukiyomi'd kakashi. he said, "even you are nothing against my ultimate undispellable genjustu" then he cast it. and when he explained the nature of tsukiyomi, he said "even though your body is fine, your SOUL can not tell the difference between reality and illusion and is fealing the pain. tsukiyomi is an illusion rapped in layers of PAIN through which your soul can not see" rough quote. tsukiyomi also left kakashi SICK for weeks and only tsunade cud heal him. tell me, how do u explain an ILLUSION of perception making a man physically sick for weeks.fact is, tsukiymi targets the SOUL. and this is backed by the fact that sasuke enters naruto's SOUL with his "accursed shaaringan" as said by the kyuubi before it was suprssed into its seal inside naruto's SOUL.
Bull.shit. Itachi STATES himself that Tsukiyomi is a genjutsu and asked Kakashi if his mind could handle it. And the reason he was hospitalized, NOT FOR WEEKS, but for a while,was because it left his mind a wreck. If your mind isn't working, then the rest of your body won't either.
Tsukiyomi targets your mind, like all Genjutsu. Sasuke messed with Naruto's mind.. nothing else with his Sharingan. Stop wanking.
depowering shaaringan and naruto characters wont work. current aizen will die against itachi. although im still waiting on his bankai{just as itachi's true power is still a mystery}/arrancar. [/B]
Sorry... but, no. Current Aizen has shown speed and strength that easily pummels Itachi to the ground.
Here's a good example of the speed level of Ichigo's bankai(Aizen exceeds this speed by a lot) Just let it load and watch it starting at about the 6 minute mark.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pp6Mr-B-HxM