Originally posted by leonheartmm
not numerous, you keep on saying numerous but there are only a few. and NONE of them can be verified to COMPARE speeds. stop lying. otherwise, give an estimated speed{in KM/HOUR} if it IS POSSIBLE at all to verify his speed. otherwise, shut the hole in your face spewing flaming sewage.
FACT. Byakuya was able to move several meters, cut off Ichigo's sword, return to former spot WHILE Ichigo kept his eyes on him. And this was only when he was at minimal state, as he was in the human world, not the Soul Society. FACT. Shyunpo allows user to travel vast miles in an instant. FACT. Ichigo is able to cut up thousands of projectiles simultaneously in an instant, fired from different directions. FACT. Aizen owned all of them, DESPITE their already impressive speed showings. Now, tell me. Has Itachi or anybody else done something remotely close to this level? No. Now, stop making your up delusional stories and move on. BTW, you can't provide KM/Hour stats either, so don't even try to pull that card on me, scrub.
i will if you continnue to mention ichigo blocking so n so byakuya swords.
stop trying to be gangsta newbie 😄
One thing is true. The other isn't. Guess which one is, and isn't? Scrub.
oh, is your lack of credibility and evidence frustrating you? 🙂 . agreed they are fast characters, and aizen> ichigo>byakuya in speed. but how fast is BYAKUYA to begin with. think of any TRUE verifyable feat this time instead of brainstorming BS and give me a speed estimate based on logical facts in km/hour. otherwise their speed feats mean absolutely nuthing to naruto speed feats. they can not be compared. the other part of that paragraph is useless bawling and tantrum throwing. {oddly, you assume just because other people support bleach here, that theyr your FRIENDS. hence using the word "US". please stop trying ot make yourself feal better about you ok}
Actually, I heard that typing in all caps sometimes helps in getting through to inept readers as it's just plain bigger. And yes, they can be compared, even w/out the actual mathematical data. For one thing, NOBODY in Naruto has ever canonically done something as impressive as Bleach. For another, speed has been displayed regularly in much of the fights. OTOH, Naruto is all about fancy jutsus, clever tricks and whatnot. Speed is NOT that much emphasized in Naruto. However, if you must know, I recommend you check out CBR forums, as they've actually compiled range of how fast Shyunpo users really are, given how much distance they travel and how much time allotted for said distance. It's somewhere in the high mach speeds, believe it or not.
wrong, he said they MIGHT get injured. and they was merely used because kisame was with him. there is no reason to believe he was referring to himself more than kisame. jiraya said he was barely able to stop them from taking naruto. and they surpassed his ultimate jutsu. furthermore, urochimaru later said that itachi is stronger than him to begin with. im not saying jiraya sucks, he wud give itachi a fight as much as urochimaru, but we already know both of them lost{one more than the other as itachi was at the offensive with urochimaru}.
No, he was referring to himself AND Kisame. Hence, the plural "we." And when the heck was his frog stomach thing ever an ultimate jutsu? Yeah, right. There you go again, making crap up. And, it's funny you mention all that, yet Itachi still ran away like a little *****. Kisame's presence there only benefited him that much more. He's not a handicap for Itachi at all. No matter what you say about the situation, the fact of the matter is, Itachi retreated from Jiraiya, making him the loser.
and again, ur forgetting the fact that itachi wasnt there to fight. he already said tthey were not there for hostililty or to accidentaly start a war. since akatsuki's hidden status was already compromised. itachi did not run like a *****. if he had directed his amaterasu against naruto/sasuke/jiraya, they would probably be dead.
Haha. Fanboy at his best. All that ultimately points to one thing. Itachi ran away like a coward. He lost. No matter how impressive his escape was (using Amaretsu), the fact is, he still pussied away. You can try to deny it all you want to, but that's how the events unfolded. Itachi ran away. Haha. When has Aizen ever ran away from ONE person? Oh, right. Never. Especially when he had others with him?
😆 . more tantrums? itachi CLEARLY said that kakashi's soul could not tell the difference between the pain and reality.
No he didn't.
😆thats the biggest load of crap ever. the kyuubi is the size multiple footbal stadiums. plus it lives in an orange labyrinth inside a cage/seal in water. do you think naruto's physical body can house all that?!
dont be an idiot. it live inside naruto's soul. sasuke entered naruto's soul.
It's pretty impressive how much seals can do, eh? And yes, he is housed instead of Naruto's body. Through the many, many chapters/episodes of Naruto ,not once did they mention anything about him being stuffed into his soul. They always mention Naruto's BODY. They even make constant references to it, saying Naruto's body wasn't "big enough" or "strong enough." Sasuke enters Naruto's mind, via genjutsu. Then uses his worst fears/experiences against him.
and, you keep saying theyve given speed feats. they have hardly given 3 or 4. NONE of which can be verified to be faster than naruto. if they truly are, give me a real world speed estimate my friend.
i have. its nuthing new, nuthing worth much. i know more about either than u ever will{judging from your show of intelligent discussion here}. again, stop trying to be an egotistical mob boss kid 😛 . this is an online forum. [/B]
Judging from everything you say, it's pretty obvious you have no idea how fast Bleach really operates. Especially the higher ups, like the captains. Feats are what we go by, and by feats alone, Bleach HAS done more impressive things with speed than Naruto. Not saying Naruto is slow by any stretch of the imagination, but just that Bleach operates much much faster.
I'm through with you. Time and time again, I've given you an impressive list of feats by the Bleachers, and all you can do is make up lies to cover up the fact that Itachi loses here. Oh well. Aizen > Itachi.
Moving on.
FACT. Byakuya was able to move several meters, cut off Ichigo's sword, return to former spot WHILE Ichigo kept his eyes on him. And this was only when he was at minimal state, as he was in the human world, not the Soul Society. FACT. Shyunpo allows user to travel vast miles in an instant. FACT. Ichigo is able to cut up thousands of projectiles simultaneously in an instant, fired from different directions. FACT. Aizen owned all of them, DESPITE their already impressive speed showings. Now, tell me. Has Itachi or anybody else done something remotely close to this level? No. Now, stop making your up delusional stories and move on. BTW, you can't provide KM/Hour stats either, so don't even try to pull that card on me, scrub.
genin rock lee was able to deliver hundreds of full contact pounches in mid air in the time it took gaara to a fall a metre all in the air.haku was able to move from mirror to mirror thousands of times before sasuke with his body flicker could react at all and practically turn sasuke and naruto into purcupines. zabuza was able to move the strength of a football field after throwing his sword {he moved at exactly the time that kakashi evaded his sword} and appeared behind the opposite ninjas standing on top of his blade. neiji was able to deliver over one thousand surgical strikes to his over 1000 opposing enemy spiders in less than a few seconds. naruto with kyuubi chakra{not tail} was moving fast enough to set fir to a large plank of wood simply by the speed of the natural air around him and it burned the plank to nuthing in less than a second. he was running so fast that mountain rock was being shredded from beneath his feat and sasuke still easily dudged him with basic level three shaaringan. urochimaru was moving so fast against 2 dot shaaringan sasuke that it looked like a single body surrounded him. rock lee without his weights {without gates open} was moving beyond the speed of sound. naruto was running so fast on water around sasuke in the lake that it turne into a huge water spout. in his fight with neiji, in his cakra form, each blow they traded was so fast that the explosions were reachings higher than the stadium itself. these are all PRE shippuden feats. needles, shippuden are FAR too many and far too superior. i dont wanna get into it.
and you see, you simply stating those high end and few bleach feats isnt enough. plus not ONE of them is the type where speed can be verified. it isnt a card when your beaten idiot. stop being a coward and turn them into km/hours if THEY ARE VERIFYABLE. cause otherwise, theyr not and can not be compared to naruto feats.
One thing is true. The other isn't. Guess which one is, and isn't? Scrub.
u shud ponder over changing your name to flaming idiot. but then that wud actually require you to have the analytical skills to understand the content of this statement.
Actually, I heard that typing in all caps sometimes helps in getting through to inept readers as it's just plain bigger. And yes, they can be compared, even w/out the actual mathematical data. For one thing, NOBODY in Naruto has ever canonically done something as impressive as Bleach. For another, speed has been displayed regularly in much of the fights. OTOH, Naruto is all about fancy jutsus, clever tricks and whatnot. Speed is NOT that much emphasized in Naruto. However, if you must know, I recommend you check out CBR forums, as they've actually compiled range of how fast Shyunpo users really are, given how much distance they travel and how much time allotted for said distance. It's somewhere in the high mach speeds, believe it or not.
yap yap yap. im too tired{cause i cant say unable} to back up my statements with credible criteria for judging both feats. so ill resort to being stubborn.
No, he was referring to himself AND Kisame. Hence, the plural "we." And when the heck was his frog stomach thing ever an ultimate jutsu? Yeah, right. There you go again, making crap up. And, it's funny you mention all that, yet Itachi still ran away like a little *****. Kisame's presence there only benefited him that much more. He's not a handicap for Itachi at all. No matter what you say about the situation, the fact of the matter is, Itachi retreated from Jiraiya, making him the loser.
yap yap, ill provide no evidence, just statements which show my personal bias and nuthing else. ill also disreguard the fact that jirayastated so himself and he hasnt yet shown a better jutsu.
Haha. Fanboy at his best. All that ultimately points to one thing. Itachi ran away like a coward. He lost. No matter how impressive his escape was (using Amaretsu), the fact is, he still pussied away. You can try to deny it all you want to, but that's how the events unfolded. Itachi ran away. Haha. When has Aizen ever ran away from ONE person? Oh, right. Never. Especially when he had others with him?
statements with no evidence again.
No he didn't.
yes he did.
It's pretty impressive how much seals can do, eh? And yes, he is housed instead of Naruto's body. Through the many, many chapters/episodes of Naruto ,not once did they mention anything about him being stuffed into his soul. They always mention Naruto's BODY. They even make constant references to it, saying Naruto's body wasn't "big enough" or "strong enough." Sasuke enters Naruto's mind, via genjutsu. Then uses his worst fears/experiences against him.
really? your lying again. the shinigami technique seals the victim forever in the stomach of the shinigami and the SOUL of the sacrifice is charged by the shinigami. it seals the SOUL of the opposition. this is the only explanation given of the binding technique. his body is not strong enough to deal with the CHAKRA of the kyuubi which leaks from the seal into his own circulatory system. again, tell me, how can the kyuubi fit in his PHYSICAL body? you can not. furthermore, the place he enters, isnt part of his PHYSICAL body as it looks nuthing like it. SPIRITUAL body=soul. the kyuubi residesin naruto's soul. please do not make idiotic arguments just for the sake of arguing.
sasuke NEVER used his worst expiriences agains naruto. and naruto was THERE, standing, ready to recieve kyuubi chakra in a place which WASNT part of his biologicla body. and sasuke put the kyuubi back in its seal with his accursed shaaringan power. that was in the SOUL.
Judging from everything you say, it's pretty obvious you have no idea how fast Bleach really operates. Especially the higher ups, like the captains. Feats are what we go by, and by feats alone, Bleach HAS done more impressive things with speed than Naruto. Not saying Naruto is slow by any stretch of the imagination, but just that Bleach operates much much faster.
lol. your lying again. if you have an idea, TELL ME, how fast they go in km/hour. give an approximate at least. untill then your claims are as empty as your argument. you have zero evidence to back u up{that is why u never attampt it}
I'm through with you. Time and time again, I've given you an impressive list of feats by the Bleachers, and all you can do is make up lies to cover up the fact that Itachi loses here. Oh well. Aizen > Itachi.
impressive yes. but ive given more impressive feats by naruto characters. in destructiveness/technique/flexibility/strength/illusion casting/telepathy etc they are superior. that cna be verified by feats.
only criteria left is speed and bleach spead feats are inconsistant and are such that no1 can generalise about what their ACTUAL speed is for comparison. just saying its FASTER THAN NARUTO without being able to verify doesnt count. and you havent given a speed estimate.
sorry, your argument is silly as it stands.
Originally posted by Sandai Kitetsu
Souls don't exsist.
then where does the kyuubi reside?????
how is the kyuubi even able to live seeing as its physical body doesnt exist?????
what was the shinigami pulling out of urochimaru's body in his fight against yondaime????
how did the previous hokages reincarnate in host bodies of killed henchmen of urochimaru????
why did sandaime tell urochimaru "your soul is already half out of your body, so you should be able to see it{shinigamit} now"
why did urochimaru THEN see the shinigami when he couldnt before?
how does urochimaru transfer bodies without physically putting his brain into another body????
what is it that the shinigami asks the caster to sacrifice for sealing the foe?
why is yondaime dead??
how could pupeteer akatsuki live inside a puppet without his body???
what is the LITERAL definition of a shinigami?
answer: souls exist in naruto
Originally posted by leonheartmmThat wasn't the point, your explanation of the soul residing in blah, blah, blah is illogical. Souls do not exsist for you to make refrence, unless this is another kishimoto comment you can't confirm. Yes, souls exsist in Naruto, but not the way your explaining.
then where does the kyuubi reside?????
how is the kyuubi even able to live seeing as its physical body doesnt exist?????what was the shinigami pulling out of urochimaru's body in his fight against yondaime????
how did the previous hokages reincarnate in host bodies of killed henchmen of urochimaru????
why did sandaime tell urochimaru "your soul is already half out of your body, so you should be able to see it{shinigamit} now"
why did urochimaru THEN see the shinigami when he couldnt before?
how does urochimaru transfer bodies without physically putting his brain into another body????
what is it that the shinigami asks the caster to sacrifice for sealing the foe?
why is yondaime dead??
how could pupeteer akatsuki live inside a puppet without his body???
what is the LITERAL definition of a shinigami?
answer: souls exist in naruto
Originally posted by Sandai Kitetsu
That wasn't the point, your explanation of the soul residing in blah, blah, blah is illogical. Souls do not exsist for you to make refrence, unless this is another kishimoto comment you can't confirm. Yes, souls exsist in Naruto, but not the way your explaining.
erm, when did this turn into a philosophical debate about what the soul is? ill just explain them simply, ethereal bodies {not physical as seen by the way sandaime percieved the other hokage's souls before consuming them through shinigami and how urochimaru looked like after being half out} not physical in nature, housing life force/conciounce, and in naruto's case, not having physical volume/space etc limitations as an entire realm of the kyuubi can fit inside his soul
there HAPPY with this new one? 😠
😛
Originally posted by leonheartmm
erm, when did this turn into a philosophical debate about what the soul is?
When you tried to explain where the soul is located. 😬
Originally posted by leonheartmm
ill just explain them simply, ethereal bodies {not physical as seen by the way sandaime percieved the other hokage's souls before consuming them through shinigami and how urochimaru looked like after being half out} not physical in nature, housing life force/conciounce, and in naruto's case, not having physical volume/space etc limitations as an entire realm of the kyuubi can fit inside his soulthere HAPPY with this new one? 😠
😛
Your missing the point, your explanation for the soul and it's place in naruto is your conjecture. With no evidence I might add.
huh? i thought i already gave evidence for why souls existed{quite e few points} and why you can vaguely define the characteristics of naruto souls{again, evidence based on uro examples/kyuubi existing etc} . its not like its a perfect definition but it does make the whole perspective narrower and easier to define.
maybe if you can point out exactly WHICH part of my definition there is no evidence for{As in which characteristic that im imposing on naruto souls which is without evidence to back it up} for naruto souls, than i cud give a better response. as i dont understand your misgiving about my definition right now.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
huh? i thought i already gave evidence for why souls existed{quite e few points} and why you can vaguely define the characteristics of naruto souls{again, evidence based on uro examples/kyuubi existing etc} . its not like its a perfect definition but it does make the whole perspective narrower and easier to define.
I never stated that souls did not exsist in the narutoverse. I said your explainations are unfounded.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
maybe if you can point out exactly WHICH part of my definition there is no evidence for{As in which characteristic that im imposing on naruto souls which is without evidence to back it up} for naruto souls, than i cud give a better response. as i dont understand your misgiving about my definition right now.
*cough*
Originally posted by leonheartmm
yes. but it isnt PHSYCIALLY in the body. the soul isnt a physical construst confined by space etc.
what i MEANT to say was that souls are not physically in the body the same way a thing with matter/mass/volume is. it was to not send ambiguous signals that the kyuubi is in the soul and the soul is in the body hence the kyuubi is in the body. the soul is certainly in the body but not in the same was as matter cn enter the physical construct of the body. it is a SPIRIT. and it resides inside a pesons body. only not SPATIALLY reside in a person. {and here is where english language stops allowing us clearer words to express ideas}
Originally posted by leonheartmm
what i MEANT to say was that souls are not physically in the body the same way a thing with matter/mass/volume is.
How would this apply to the Narutoverse?
Originally posted by leonheartmm
it was to not send ambiguous signals that the kyuubi is in the soul and the soul is in the body hence the kyuubi is in the body. the soul is certainly in the body but not in the same was as matter cn enter the physical construct of the body. it is a SPIRIT. and it resides inside a pesons body. only not SPATIALLY reside in a person. {and here is where english language stops allowing us clearer words to express ideas}
If you say so.
it applies because it demonstrates how sasuke, when he faced off against the kyuubi and supressed it into its seal, was infact inside naruto's SOUL with the power of his shaaringan as opposed to his BODY{which others claim}.
it makes clearer, the point about shaaringan affecting the soul/itachi targetting the soul etc. {well he did say so but some peopel just cant accept that}
Originally posted by leonheartmm
it applies because it demonstrates how sasuke, when he faced off against the kyuubi and supressed it into its seal, was infact inside naruto's SOUL with the power of his shaaringan as opposed to his BODY{which others claim}.it makes clearer, the point about shaaringan affecting the soul/itachi targetting the soul etc. {well he did say so but some peopel just cant accept that}
He simply stopped naruto from using kyubi's chakra. What evidence do you have, supporting he can do more than that?
Originally posted by Sandai Kitetsu
He simply stopped naruto from using kyubi's chakra. What evidence do you have, supporting he can do more than that?
errrrr, when did i make the claim that he cud do more or not do more. we dont know and it is not important. the POINT was only to prove that shaaringan infact CAN work on the SOUL level as opposed to the senses/chakra level. and itachi's tsukiyomi attacks the soul. where did doing more than supressing the kyuubi come from?
Originally posted by leonheartmm
in his fight with neiji, in his cakra form, each blow they traded was so fast that the explosions were reachings higher than the stadium itself. these are all PRE shippuden feats. needles, shippuden are FAR too many and far too superior. i dont wanna get into it.
explosions? 😕
they were lights