leonheartmm
Senior Member
Ok lets sum up this fight. If you look in the Ichigo resect thread you can see how Ichigo has been worked out to have at least mach 35.7 speed, and Aizen exceeds him and easily deals with it. Naruto ninja's still move slower than thrown kunai, and even IF we're saying those move at the speed of a bullet, Ichigo and Aizen both move over 30 times faster than that.
your drawing conclusions of speed based on assumption after assumption. even though each assumption has evidence and feats to back it up, if you jump from one to another, by the multiplication factor the uncertainty in feats increases exponentially.
let me give you an example. in the zabuza arc, kakashi was able to dodge an attack of zabuza where zabuza moved instantaneousy from the length of haf a footbal field away to where kakashi was. later kakashi showed to toy with that speed withzabuza. he was atleast over 2x faster than him. zabuza said that haku was far superior than him in all aspects. {disreguarding the super high end lightspeed panel feats of haku as they are too PISy to include even in examples}. even by a conservative comparison that is over 2x zabuza speed. and sasuke was able to counter it without his shaaringan and with it{1 dot} naruto with hardly any kyuubi chakra{remember, he was VERY weak in the zabuzaarc even with the chakra} easily cumberstomped haku in speed.
that puts naruto at over 2 times{again very conservative estimates} the speed of haku.
in the chuunin arc, they all got much stronger. sasuke with partial cursed sal activation was able to move far faster than his previous speed character could comprehend{as he had lost earlier to lee who he cud not even see in the fight} and as lee cudnt even touch the guys there. the sound opponents easily indicated that their attacks were the speed of sound. and sasuke dodged them while carrying naruto and sakura without breaking a sweat. that easily puts his speed up at over 4-5x times that of his appeance in the zabuza arc. next we saw lee without weights on panel move faster than any naruto character had done until then. even gaara's sand protection was failing against him. he was able to move the entire length of the chuunin stadium before gaara could blink, multiple time. even kakashi with his shaaringan was impressed, and this was after seeing zabuza arc naruto/sasuke. his speed easily trumped first time seal activation sasuke by 3-6x times{again im being conservative}. NOW he opened the 5 gates and his speed turned from superhuman to godly and he was around 10x faster than his non weight speed{seeing as how many times he could now hit gaara before gaara cud react}. and yet 3 dot shaaringan kakashi cud still see it.
if we compre this with sasuke{who had already acheived beyond lee speed and was stil trumped by itachi with a single wave of the hand} who CUDNT percieve naruto after hsi FIRST tale grew out and had to unleash curse mark 2 to counter it, then we can see that defection arc sasuke with curse mark 2 was a lot faster than lee with his first time at opening the 5 gates. easily 2-3x faster.
now i havent considered MANY pre chuunin feats here which cud make the cut but lets look at where we started from. buy any conservative estimate. zabuza travel atleast 200 metres in 1/4th of a second{about 800m/s}
and sasuke at the end of the defection arc travels 800x2x2x2x4x3x2x10x10= 1536000 m/s or mach 4654.45
{i wudnt go on to the VASTLY greater shippuden feats cause i think any1 wud get the point im making}
does ANY1 here really believe that sasuke pre shippuden cud travel at over 1.5 million metres/sec????????? i dont "think" so.
in themselves those are respectable feats and extrapolation. but if you jump from one to the other, then your gonna get illogical results. if your gonna judg bleach that way. then do the same with naruto. which has better feats and a LOT more of them. overall, logicall, in individual feats, naruto characters trump bleach characters in overall speed.
go's power attacks easily exceeds Naruto's attack, after all Naruto's resengan just burst a water tower, Ichigo's shikai attack did this:
nope, it creates shockwaves compared to mini nukes against chidoriwhen its power is released, and creates craters as large as medium meteors wud make when coupled with PARTIAL wind element and wind element alone destroyes a small mountain which stretches almost till the closer horizon on panle. raasengan is concentrated power as opposed to explosion.
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that's one of his lesser techniques, and his powers still aren't high enough to match Aizen's medium level minions.
doesnt matter, try and go by individual consistant feats.otherwise the same problem arises as i described before.
drability: Aizen takes punches from beings the size of skyscrapers wihtout any effect., and rules creatures that easily plow through just about all of ninja in naruto. The main thing to point out about Aizen is that he has an enormous amount of reiatsu. Now one of the rules of bleach is that when to spiritual forces, for example chakra and reiatsu run together, the stronger one damages the lesser. Now Kenpachi and Byakuya have both shown the ability to completely ignore attacks by powerful mystic weapons that dwarf naruto attacks because their unconcious energy they emit is stronger than that of their attackers focused killing intent. Aizen has been confirmed on panel several times as having a reitsu several multiples higher than any captain. No chakra attack in naruto will be able to penetrate that.
first of all, you shudnt make statements like "PLOW THROUGH ALL NARUTO NINJAS" that is unsupported bias. because you havent proven it. even weaker akatsuki like kisame/diedara have fought bijuu/jinshuuriku which are not only larger than sky scrappers but are also more powerful than a simple zanpakuto and can level areas the size of small forests with singular attacks{even shukaku did}. they pale in comparison to itachi. its admitted that aizen has significant reitsu. but then itachi has enormous chakra. greater than urochimaru/sandaime hokage/jiraya/diedara etc. and the weapons strength has never been shown to Dwarf naruto weapons. plus, naruto character dont USE many special weapons let alone RELY on them. their power doesnt come from zanpakuto. chakra attacks in naruto have plowed through mountains, destroyed football fiield area places in singular attacks, changed landscapes, and whatnot. bring in diedara and his c-3 attack alone{his weakest c- against gaara} created a BLAST{not AFFECTIVE demolition area which causes destruction but the core BLAST} which was larger than 1/4th of a small CITY against gaara. and would destroy the entire sand village{which is the size of a city}. later in his self sacrifice jutsu, he creates a blast which DWARFED small mountain ranges and was over 315 kilometres in area and over five time as tall as it was wide.{again the destruction area is MUCH greater, this was just the core BLAST}.
the 4 tails can create a single chakra blast{one of many} which can penetrate through 4 rashamon gates. so no no amount of reitsu is gonna protect aizen. and remember that sasuke took a c-4 and continued fighting.
lso according to vs. forum rules both opponents are given forewarning of each others basic abilities. Aizen is still able to function very easily in a fight against Itachi for the simple fact that shinigami have shown the consistent ability to locate their enemies via their soul energy, which would also make shadow clones useless against him. Itachi on the other hand has to have his eyes open at all times in order to survive against Aizen since without his sharingan he's even more screwed than he was before. Also I would like to make the point that i don't feel the sharingan would even work against Aizen. The sharingan works by tracing the flows of chakra within the body in order to allow the user to preemtively see the move that is coming. However it has proven that it can't see through attacks by beings of pure chakra(such as when sasuke was unable to sense the way in which the 9 tailed fox chakra was ging to move) Since Aizen is a being of pure spiritual energy, the same applies to him to an even greater extent.
Finally Aizen has complete air superiority, and can easily blast Itachi from the air while Itachi wastes his energy dodging him. In the end Aizen is far faster than Itachi, can easily counter Itachi's most powerful moves, is invulnerable to any attack itachi can throw at him, and Itachi's sharingan can only be used for a short period of time before he becomes drained.
it takes time for aizen to locate people, and youve forgotten that kage bunshin each have a portion of the chakra distributed evenly among them. aizen is not gonna be able to find itachi. plus, your merely choosing the version of shaaringan which you see fit. ive already told you that itachi's shaaringan has been proven on panel to work at the level of the soul. the chakra stopping of naruto didnt even work against a normal genjutsu cast by itachi CLONE.there are three different explanations of shaaringan. and itachi has used his shaaringan on beings with incredible chakras like urochimaru and kakashi. tsukiymi works on the soul and is undispelable. aizen doesnt have a prayer{although it is fair to say that NEITHER have shown their true power yet}. sasuke was unable to see the chakras movement in precog BECAUSE he was not powerful enough with his shaaringan and because the chakrawas very powerful and had a MIND OF ITS OWN other tyhan naruto's body on which he was focuding becuse he cud not concentrate on two different attacks from two different uber level foes at the time. after he turned into his form 2 cursed seal he CUD see naruto and countered his attacks.