Originally posted by Sado22
not really. hachi's real intention was to tie up capture jin AND kazuya as seen in his T4 ending. for kazuya, his intention was to find Jin. there is a loophole in your argument, pal. heihachi had no reason to take a dive but kazy taking a dive is proven by two things:
-the fact that he pwned him with a stare
-the fact that before pwning him with a mere glare of his eyes he said "you saved me the trouble of having to search for him".what could hachi's reason be? there are none.
~Sado
Shit...man. I just posted the exact same shit in another thread without reading any of this. WTF?
Originally posted by Nikkolas
Also, Kazuya's own thoughts, told to us by the omniscient narrator, is that Heihachi is more powerful than him. He needs to unlock the Devil Gene further to beat Heihachi and Heihachi screwed that up by sending in the TekkeN Force.And, [b]again
, Kazuya did not pwn him with a glance. He knocked him back. That's all we see of Heihachi. For all you know, he got up and was standing there while Kazuya focussed on Jin. And seeing how Heihachi appears, IMMEDIATELY after Kazuya is left laid out, it's completely logical. Or was he lying there and just THEN got up and walked over, looking just fine and dandy?Heihachi had everything to gain from the two Devils fighting and trying to finish off the winner. [/B]
Actually I agree with Kazuya saying he must control the Devil to take revenge on Heihachi. What happened in Tekken 2? Kazuya was making babies while Heihachi was hell-bent on taking back the Mishima Zaibatsu. He was not his "proper Devil" self. By the time of Tekken 4 Kazuya has come to that conclusion. And he has learned that he cannot under estimate the old man. I don't blame him at all.
Originally posted by Nikkolas
Well, if we go by the bullshit ending for Heihachi in Tekken 4 which is completely contradictory to canon, I suppose we could assess Heihachi's motives for something that happened in canon.
I don't agree with everything he said....not the anti-devil chains nor Heihachi's motives...
But IMO Kazuya had more to gain by letting Heihachi beat him in Tekken 4.
What happened in Tekken 2? Kazuya was making babies while Heihachi was hell-bent on taking back the Mishima Zaibatsu.
But IMO Kazuya had more to gain by letting Heihachi beat him in Tekken 4.
I agree with that and while it is entirely plausible Kazuya did take a dive, I just can't accept Kazuya "pwned" Heihachi because by all indications, Heihachi wasn't out for too long and he seemed just fine.