Thanos w/ HOTI vs the Presence · Comic Book 'Versus' Forum

Harry Fingerman Dead

Originally posted by Mr Master
How do you know that?
Where is it stated?
What we do know is that at that particular moment and through out that issue,
Akhenaten was taking over the Universe and murdering heroes,
and he also made Eternity/Infinity go blind, in the PRIOR issue.
So how you figure, that "Doom's Universe" = himself?
When the actual entire Universe 616, was getting raped by Akhenaten at that very moment?

And how do you know he was talking about anything but Doom?

Fact is, after he said that about Doom, everything about it, surrounded Doom, not Eternity, not heroes, but Doom, and his problems.

Usually after a problem is stated in comics, they usually address that problem... and they addressed Doom, and his problems of him having trouble with Akhenaten, and his tech.

Thanos stated nothing about Eternity, or heroes...

Harry Fingerman Dead

One last thing before I go to bed.

1602 started three months after The End ended.
So, anything about pasts being different universe, should be a retcon, shouldn't it (since it was never stated before that they were, and only seemingly found out then)?

*remember seeing this being a main arguement a while back, and just wanted to put it out there*

Mr Master Junior Member

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
So, if others come from other universes as well, then why would he only mention "their universe"?

He obviously meant it in the plural sense.

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
Hell, from the way Thor said it, everyone came from the same universe...

That's not how it sounds to me.

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
Also, where was it stated that Horus came from another universe, other than 1602?
I think it was, however, I'm curious.

1602?

Here's Horus talking about Akhenaten's PAST, how He himself was there:

"The Villain is known to you?"

"Aye, when human he turned his back on the old gods .. for his blasphemy

WE cursed him ..."

................................................................................

This isn't surprising, that's where Horus is from:

"Lord Horus arrives late to a meet concerning dire peril concerning Ancient Egypt"

"Ancient Egypt" is still in existence in some Past Timeline. (Another Universe)

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
You know, I remember editing Storm's bio a while ago, about her sucking, and being nothing to Magneto, in marvel.com.

Go ahead and try to edit at the links I gave ya, see what happens. 🙂

Mr Master Junior Member

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
And how do you know he was talking about anything but Doom?

Because Eternity/Infinity (Doom's Universe) were getting raped by Akhenaten,

PRIOR to that moment, and afterwards still.

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
Fact is, after he said that about Doom, everything about it, surrounded Doom, not Eternity, not heroes, but Doom, and his problems.

Intersting, because before he said that, Eternity/Infinity (Doom's Universe)

was getting shaken up badly.

But whatever.

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
Usually after a problem is stated in comics, they usually address that problem... and they addressed Doom, and his problems of him having trouble with Akhenaten, and his tech.
Thanos stated nothing about Eternity, or heroes...

What do you mean he didn't mention Eternity?

So Eternity/Infinity is not Doom's Universe nowadays?

That's a New one.

Mr Master Junior Member

Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
One last thing before I go to bed.
1602 started three months after The End ended.
So, anything about pasts being different universe, should be a retcon, shouldn't it (since it was never stated before that they were, and only seemingly found out then)?

1602 simply stated on panel what has been going on for years.

Marvel has had Timelines since back in the day. (early-mid 80s)

And they have always been in separate UniverseS.

There's a simple logic to this I posted before:

http://www.marvunapp.com/list/appalte.htm

ALL the possible Futures of 616, the Futures of 616 and the Past of 616

are ALL located in separate UniverseS/Realities.

It makes perfect sense too,

how can the Future the Past and the Present be all happening simultaneously within the same Space? shrug

Impossible.

The Reality that occupies "the Present" is the 616 Universe,

The Realities that occupy "the Past" or "the Future" of the 616 Universe,
are core continuum designated Alternate Realities/Universes,

because the Past ALREADY took place and because the Future hasn't yet.

King Kandy Senior Member

Originally posted by Mr Master
This isn't surprising, that's where Horus is from:

"Lord Horus arrives late to a meet concerning dire peril concerning Ancient Egypt"
"Ancient Egypt" is still in existence in some Past Timeline. (Another Universe)

Whoah, hold on I just noticed something...

The quote isn't "Lord Horus arrives late to a meet concerning dire peril concerning Ancient Egypt", it's

"Lord Horus arrives late to a meet concerning dire peril emanating from Ancient Egypt"

So it's clear that they are refering to AKHENATEN being Ancient Egyption in origin, since HE is the one that the "Dire Peril" is coming from... It has nothing to do with Horus coming from some "Egypt timeline". All the statement really amounts to is "This is your problem"...

So it seems obvious that Horus came straight from Helios (A Pocket Dimension) and not some alternate universe.

Mr Master Junior Member

Originally posted by King Kandy
Whoah, hold on I just noticed something...
The quote isn't "Lord Horus arrives late to a meet concerning dire peril concerning Ancient Egypt", it's
"Lord Horus arrives late to a meet concerning dire peril emanating from Ancient Egypt"
So it's clear that they are refering to AKHENATEN being Ancient Egyption in origin, since HE is the one that the "Dire Peril" is coming from...

My bad on the typo.

Still though,

What Izanagi said was:

"Odd that Lord Horus arrives late

to a meet concerning dire peril emanating from Ancient Egypt"

Why do you think he said, "Odd?" (cause the trouble is coming from his Timeline)

Because Horus is from Ancient Egypt,
the SAME Ancient Egypt Akhenaten is from, which is in another Timeline,

and since it's another Timeline ... it's another Universe. 🙂

Originally posted by King Kandy
It has nothing to do with Horus coming from some "Egypt timeline". All the statement really amounts to is "This is your problem"...

Why would it be Horus' problem,
if he's not from the same Timeline as Akhenaten's as you're suggesting?

Originally posted by King Kandy
So it seems obvious that Horus came straight from Helios (A Pocket Dimension) and not some alternate universe.

Interesting.

So Horus was lying,
when he himself said he was there in the SAME Timeline as Akhenaten in Ancient Egypt,
where he himself and others punished a Human Akhenaten IN Ancient Egypt?

"The Villain is known to you?"

"Aye, when human he turned his back on the old gods .. for his blasphemy

WE cursed him ..."

But hey, as you wish. srugdoped

Mr Master Junior Member

Anywho, I'm not debating this any further.

Eveythings been said, everythings been shown.

Good night friend.

Air Legend Moderat0r

Originally posted by Mr Master
Nah,
it just says, that "Thanos destroyed ALL that Existed"
and that "Thanos destroyed ALL of Reality"
But I suppose all that exists in the Marvel Universe is one Reality. 😂

👆
I don't know why everyone is arguing about universes, multiverses, multi-universes, what kind of underwear they are wearing 😖hifty:, or the omniverse because it really doesn't matter. The bio states that Thanos destroyed all that existed. That's right ALL THAT EXISTED. The omniverse falls in this category people.

quanchi112 Disney

dont see how thanos with the heart could lose.

Air Legend Moderat0r

Originally posted by quanchi112
dont see how thanos with the heart could lose.

Yea. I think it's a stalemate.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by Air Legend
Yea. I think it's a stalemate.

thanos prolly wins this.

Air Legend Moderat0r

Originally posted by quanchi112
thanos prolly wins this.

While I don't see the Presence doing anything to Thanos, I can't see Thanos doing anything to the Presence.
I'll look over Vertigo more carefully to spot loopholes showing that Thanos can win 😖hifty:

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by Air Legend
While I don't see the Presence doing anything to Thanos, I can't see Thanos doing anything to the Presence.
I'll look over Vertigo more carefully to spot loopholes showing that Thanos can win 😖hifty:

😆

KMC_Drifter Modern Day Drifter

Presence will either win...or stalemate...no other outcome.

nvrbeenwthagirl Restricted

Originally posted by Air Legend
While I don't see the Presence doing anything to Thanos, I can't see Thanos doing anything to the Presence.
I'll look over Vertigo more carefully to spot loopholes showing that Thanos can win 😖hifty:

Actually The Presence of DC is superior to the One of Vertigo.

Erik-Lensherr "The devil made me do it"

This thread is funny because of the discussions taking place aswell as the number of pages used for them . 😆

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Actually The Presence of DC is superior to the One of Vertigo.

there are two presences? then are there two spectres as well? that doesnt make any sense. they are ither one in the same or they are two separate universe completely. u can say michael has the power of god and then say a different less than supreme god in vertigo as opposed to dc.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by KMC_Drifter
Presence will either win...or stalemate...no other outcome.

presence isnt even number one or supreme. thanos is, how does he lose.

done blame me blame the writers who came up with the geb.

King Kandy Senior Member

Originally posted by Mr Master
My bad on the typo.
Still though,
What Izanagi said was:

I think you mean Vishnu, not Izanagi.

Originally posted by Mr Master

"Odd that Lord Horus arrives late
to a meet concerning dire peril emanating from Ancient Egypt"

It's odd because Horus was around when Akhenaten was in power, and could have stopped the whole thing from being an issue.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Why do you think he said, "Odd?" (cause the trouble is coming from his Timeline)

Maybe because Horus met Akhenaten in the past? Not because Akhenaten and Horus came to the meating from the literal past.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Because Horus is from Ancient Egypt,
the SAME Ancient Egypt Akhenaten is from, which is in another Timeline,
and since it's another Timeline ... it's another Universe. 🙂

You act like the Horus of the past and the Horus now are different entities.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Why would it be Horus' problem,
if he's not from the same Timeline as Akhenaten's as you're suggesting?

Because Akhenaten came from Egypt and Horus was one of the Popular Gods of Egypt at the time.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Interesting.
So Horus was lying,
when he himself said he was there in the SAME Timeline as Akhenaten in Ancient Egypt,
where he himself and others punished a Human Akhenaten IN Ancient Egypt?
"The Villain is known to you?"
"Aye, when human he turned his back on the old gods .. for his blasphemy
WE cursed him ..."

Here, let me put what you're saying in perspective.

You say Horus shouldn't remember meeting Akhenaten unless he is from another timeline, since the past is a seperate timeline.

I say Horus would know him because he met him in the past.

So heres a Metaphor:

Thor is in Avengers headquarters and meets Iron Man. Now, in any comic he will be formiliar with Iron Man. How is he formiliar with Iron Man? Because he met him in the past...

That all works fine in my view of the whole mess, but in your view, the Thor that met Iron Man was actualy a Alternate Universe version, since the past is a seperate timeline. 😱

So the only way Thor could know Iron Man is if he was dimensionaly transported from a seperate universe every second. And to carry on a conversation, Thor must be yanked through universes every instant, endlessly, or else he will remember nothing of what has occured. 😆

Now, sub in "Thor" with "Horus" and "Iron Man" with "Akhenaden" and you'll probably see your theory to be pure insanity.

Originally posted by Mr Master
But hey, as you wish. srugdoped

I think you might want to think this out a bit more before you act so condenscending.