tgeb isn't an aspect of the presence/yhwh. IT is on panel The Presence is GOD, you cannot fight GOD, even with thotu. If he was supreme as you say the universe wouldn't even be able to support him being in it cause God is perfect and total power. He is not omnipresence like God, even Lucifer went pass the Source Wall and went to the aleph and made himself omnipresence, and could see all timelines.
Originally posted by kevdudethe presence and lucy dont have the on panel feats backing them up like thanos. thanos wins.
tgeb isn't an aspect of the presence/yhwh. IT is on panel The Presence is GOD, you cannot fight GOD, even with thotu. If he was supreme as you say the universe wouldn't even be able to support him being in it cause God is perfect and total power. He is not omnipresence like God, even Lucifer went pass the Source Wall and went to the aleph and made himself omnipresence, and could see all timelines.
Originally posted by quanchi112
the presence and lucy dont have the on panel feats backing them up like thanos. thanos wins.
the Presence doesnt' have the on panel feats? The one above all doesn't have any on panel feats either. do you think thanos can beat him? Rediculous. The presence on panel has banned mxy from death from anyone.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlthanos was supreme within comics and proved it. until presence actually defeats geb i remain unconvinced. a couple of number ones in vertigo is all i see.
the Presence doesnt' have the on panel feats? The one above all doesn't have any on panel feats either. do you think thanos can beat him? Rediculous. The presence on panel has banned mxy from death from anyone.
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Originally posted by quanchi112
thanos was supreme within comics and proved it. until presence actually defeats geb i remain unconvinced. a couple of number ones in vertigo is all i see.😆
um kid, are we talking about the same presence? you ur self said that vertigo cannot be used when talking ONLY about DC comics. Tho the characters do interchange. Thus you cannot use the presence fight against the GEB when it's convenient. Also, we are talking about the presence of DC. the one that is grant morrison and also depicted by Mike Carlin. So you need a new argument. that one is flushed down the toilet with all the other ish.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlsorry there arent two presences. presence does things in vertigo and is the same one if u want me to count michael and lucy. presence fails.
um kid, are we talking about the same presence? you ur self said that vertigo cannot be used when talking ONLY about DC comics. Tho the characters do interchange. Thus you cannot use the presence fight against the GEB when it's convenient. Also, we are talking about the presence of DC. the one that is grant morrison and also depicted by Mike Carlin. So you need a new argument. that one is flushed down the toilet with all the other ish.
Originally posted by quanchi112
the presence and lucy dont have the on panel feats backing them up like thanos. thanos wins.
Panel feats mean nothing to them, lol. This is like LT and his low showing. Thanos never would win and you know it, at the best he could do (which he wouldn't) would stalemate him. So pro thanos
Originally posted by quanchi112
there is only one presence. so what are u trying to say. makes no sense to me.
What i been trying to tell you for ****ing ever. Yeheweh is only an aspect of the presence. It's why elaine is GOD of the Verses in vertigo. She is below the presence but still supreme within thier omniverse. They couldn't be the same presence becuz then elaine would be god over in DC, and obviously she's not. OMG. I've been telling you this for a hundred years. your argument doesn't hold water.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlso the presence doesnt help out an aspect of himself?
What i been trying to tell you for ****ing ever. Yeheweh is only an aspect of the presence. It's why elaine is GOD of the Verses in vertigo. She is below the presence but still supreme within thier omniverse. They couldn't be the same presence becuz then elaine would be god over in DC, and obviously she's not. OMG. I've been telling you this for a hundred years. your argument doesn't hold water.
i guess the presence doesnt even back himself up.
presence wouldnt even battle thanos then. has he battled anyone?
YHWH = The Presence, they are the same being. Lucifer the comic seems to have been taken slowly out of continuity but still showing where he's from. The second great war would have had major effects in DC if it was canon. Like I said before the only thing that is majorly kept from our eyes is The Source. Some believe it to be where all of The Presence stays. 😱
Originally posted by kevdudeare u saying that he is the presence or just an aspect of the presence.
YHWH = The Presence, they are the same being. Lucifer the comic seems to have been taken slowly out of continuity but still showing where he's from. The second great war would have had major effects in DC if it was canon. Like I said before the only thing that is majorly kept from our eyes is The Source. Some believe it to be where all of The Presence stays. 😱
Originally posted by kevdude
YHWH = The Presence, they are the same being. Lucifer the comic seems to have been taken slowly out of continuity but still showing where he's from. The second great war would have had major effects in DC if it was canon. Like I said before the only thing that is majorly kept from our eyes is The Source. Some believe it to be where all of The Presence stays. 😱
The source isn't where the presence stays. The source will be revealed in the end of the new gods saga. And yeweh and the presence are not the same. To put it simply, Elaine is God of vertigo. Yet she is not god of DC. So that is as simple as you can get.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirli believe kev over u any day. have any scans to prove ur right and hes not.
The source isn't where the presence stays. The source will be revealed in the end of the new gods saga. And yeweh and the presence are not the same. To put it simply, Elaine is God of vertigo. Yet she is not god of DC. So that is as simple as you can get.
Well some evidence shows The Source as just that, its the source of everything, it is God, Jack Kirby even I believe said it was. Some interesting scans
http://img72.imageshack.us/my.php?image=87526140kv0.jpg
http://img151.imageshack.us/my.php?image=52423391or2.jpg
It seems DC/Vertigo use The Source like the Taoism religion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daoism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qi
http://members.tripod.com/fastbak/ngfaq.htm
In the Presence/Yhwhs defense, The Throne of Light, Gods (yhwh,the presence) throne is Infinite.
The angels only refer to 1 god and its The Creator aka The Presence.
Death of the Endless even state that Lucifers Father is the real God.
Lucifer is on panel as ignoring The Source.
In the Crisis the Spectre merged with it seems The Source when it was making creation and saw worlds his master never saw or dreamed. Of course his master at the time was The Voice, the voice that speaks in everything.
Another site that might interest a few.
http://www.fanzing.com/mag/fanzing03/vanishpt.shtml
Trying to give a whole view of the picture here and where everything stands, and let others know what I've read and dug up info as well so you can make up your own minds
Originally posted by kevdudei commend u on ur scans. its refreshing to see someone make an argument and back it up whether or not i agree with it is inconsequential. that is hwy i took ur word over nvers. i respect nvers opinion but he never backs up his argument. he says he will but never does.
Well some evidence shows The Source as just that, its the source of everything, it is God, Jack Kirby even I believe said it was. Some interesting scanshttp://img72.imageshack.us/my.php?image=87526140kv0.jpg
http://img151.imageshack.us/my.php?image=52423391or2.jpgIt seems DC/Vertigo use The Source like the Taoism religion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daoism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qi
http://members.tripod.com/fastbak/ngfaq.htmIn the Presence/Yhwhs defense, The Throne of Light, Gods (yhwh,the presence) throne is Infinite.
The angels only refer to 1 god and its The Creator aka The Presence.
Death of the Endless even state that Lucifers Father is the real God.
Lucifer is on panel as ignoring The Source.In the Crisis the Spectre merged with it seems The Source when it was making creation and saw worlds his master never saw or dreamed. Of course his master at the time was The Voice, the voice that speaks in everything.
Another site that might interest a few.
http://www.fanzing.com/mag/fanzing03/vanishpt.shtmlTrying to give a whole view of the picture here and where everything stands, and let others know what I've read and dug up info as well so you can make up your own minds
