Originally posted by quanchi112
He said he saw everything at once and said the power of the presence is mine. Black and white. I always back up my claims as I show no bias at all just facts. Just because you cant fathom or cant accept it this doesnt mean its not spelled out for you in black and white.Thanos wins easily as the presence in character doesnt get involved.
my only question to you is, why would the presence do anything seeing as it already new the outcome?
Originally posted by kevdudeSo Thanos became TOAA as it was shown thats how the heros saw him
Originally posted by kevdudein the other comic you can believe otherwise though
Otherwise, clarify cause you lost me again.
Originally posted by kevdudeAnd when he said he was created by outside forces he was created by the rest of the Universe and was retconned into being the Eternal/infinite being he is because ........... that's the role everyone gave him, as he was born in the void before anything. That's the way everything works
That site isn't even sponsored by DC.
Come on Kev,
and you have the gull to dismiss/igonore all the on panel evidence
confirmed in AUTHORIZED Handbooks,
further corroborated at Marvel.com
and finally solidified by Jim Starlin himself?
But you want me to consider something from an "un-authorized" site,
contradicting on panel DC evidence?
dontgetit
Originally posted by Mr Master Let me put this out there, as I almost sure you're wrong about that.So Lucifer has two fathers, and both are "God"because both are claiming a father/son relationship with him. 😬Wierd happenings with vertigo. somethings start out as DC and then are swapped into vertigo contiuity. And Somethings start out as Vertigo and cross over into DC. clearly They are not the same diety. The presence hasn't been seen in raw form. And is clearly omnipotent and soveriegn in all ways.
I'm saying since you say and other's it seems Thanos became God then he became TOAA, and I'm saying the writer's are how the hero's saw TOAA/God in the other comic ff or w/e it was. It seems by those statement your bringing up really made him TOAA/God and yes that looks to be true then he would be equal to DC's God as well 🙂
I want you to think for yourself, it is shown in the New God's that's how The Source/The Presence/Yhwh was made in the Void, in Lucifer it's shown that the Jew/Christan religions faith seemingly retconned the Creator YHwh/The Presence before everything.
And The Presence = YHWH, the angels rarely say his full name and use The Presence instead.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I know. Trust me colts fan I know. i dont care to stoop to your level at all and try to see how many different ways I can insult someone for having a different viewpoint than your own. Not only that but I posted a scan backing up my arguments.I feel sorry for you its just harmless comic book debating yet you and some others get so personal and so riled up because of an opposing viewpoint. For shame on all of you. I really could care less for your juvenile opinion.
You're whole argument revolves around the Presence allowing Chronus to realize the immensity of his power. But according to you, the Presence doesn't interfere with anything. In other words, Thanos could simply walk up to him and steal his power.
Are you trying to say to everybody here that the God of DC is.... um.... mentally retarded? haermm
It's shit like this that hurts your credibility.
How you can possibly say one holds more power than the other is asinine.
Hell, the idea of them being in a neutral universe alone should lend credence to the idea of this being a stalemate.
Originally posted by fangirl101
IN Vertigo. IN DC the presence has NEVER been called Yhwh.
That's because DC is not Vertigo a more mature publication, in the Spectres own comic he went looking for The Presence/God in Hell and the angel Remiel said "If you are looking for The Name here you must be insane".
Originally posted by kevdudeI'm saying since you say and other's it seems Thanos became God then he became TOAA,
and I'm saying the writer's are how the hero's saw TOAA/God in the other comic ff or w/e it was.
It seems by those statement your bringing up really made him TOAA/God and yes that looks to be true then he would be equal to DC's God as well
Imo, I have always said,
that the real OAA >>> THOTI,
because the real OAA drew THOTI and everything else that appears on panel.
To TOAA (writers/artists) it's just paper and ink with a sequence,
to us,
it's an imaginary reality known as the Marvel Universe.
Both TOAA and the Marvel Universe are fictional illustrations,
the only diffrence is,
that the Marvel Universe and the stories withIn, are based on 100% fiction,
while TOAA, is based on real human beings with human-like qualities and flaws.
Yet, no matter how many flaws humans have,
it doesn't and can't stop a human being
from imagining these stories involving God, infinity, MultiverseS and other exaggerations.
But it's just that, some human being's imagination put on paper.
Originally posted by kevdudeI want you to think for yourself, it is shown in the New God's that's how The Source/The Presence/Yhwh was made in the Void, in Lucifer it's shown that the Jew/Christan religions faith seemingly retconned the Creator YHwh/The Presence before everything.
And The Presence = YHWH, the angels rarely say his full name and use The Presence instead.
But on panel I read what I read,
only with on panel evidence can that be disputed.
So if you have it, I'm more than open to check it out. 🙂
Originally posted by Astner
It really doesn't matter. Spectre is called Spectre in both DC and Vertigo, as is the Archangel Michael. The Presence of DC would be the same as the Presence of Vertigo.
No. in Vertigo, Elaine is supreme ruler and she destroys hell. In DC, Hell is still there. There is even a big event coming up about it. Clearly Elaine Serves The presence.
fangirl, they are simply different timelines of the same reality. the presence isnt called yhwh in mainstream DC because seeing as they are mainstream comics, dc wudnt want to bring in significant relegious overtones which could hurt sales and cause controversy, similar to how you wont see complete frontal nudity in dc but will see it in vertigo, which is an imprint. my theory is that mainstream dc is seperated by the source wall or sum other thing from vertigo lucifer/hellblazer/sandman etc. yahweh resides in the silver city, and certain aspects of him like the voice exist in the mainstream dc reality.
there are differences every1 knows it, but there are also similarities like the presence of swamp thing and the presence of contantine in lucifer etc. plus lucifer being infront of the source and the source wall is also evidence of the two realities being connected{and seeing as to ow superior it made him out to the source, id say vertigo is more the realm of the higher powers in dc as opposed to mainstream dc.
Originally posted by batdude123There are two stories that back up my claims it seems. The second one being the Cronus storyline while the first is the asmodel storyline.
You're whole argument revolves around the Presence allowing Chronus to realize the immensity of his power. But according to you, the Presence doesn't interfere with anything. In other words, Thanos could simply walk up to him and steal his power.Are you trying to say to everybody here that the God of DC is.... um.... mentally retarded? haermm
It's shit like this that hurts your credibility.
How you can possibly say one holds more power than the other is asinine.
Hell, the idea of them being in a neutral universe alone should lend credence to the idea of this being a stalemate.
Asmodel took on heaven and easily won but the presence didnt fight asmodel directly. He later with the help of Etrigan took over the spectre and literally went on a romp with the presence doing nothing yet again. The heroes intervened and Hal Jordan took over the spectre while the presence did nothing yet again.
There is a general disagreement whether or not vertigo is canon to dc and vice versa. What I have seen from dc is that the presence doesnt get involved,ever.
Again Thanos absorbs realities easily while the presence chooses to not get involved.
Again if you have any scans that suggest otherwise feel free to post them otherwise Thanos takes this easily as I backed up my case wit on panel proof.
Originally posted by quanchi112
How do we know the presence knew the outcome?
Isn't that the point of knowing everything? Isn't that what being truly omnipotent is about? You already know all that is, was, and will be. Therefore there is no reason for the prescence to act physically as you say in any of the these situations because it knows that there is no need in order to win.