Originally posted by deadspeak25The term omnipotent is thrown around loosely. You know how many beings have been described as omnipotent.
Isn't that the point of knowing everything? Isn't that what being truly omnipotent is about? You already know all that is, was, and will be. Therefore there is no reason for the prescence to act physically as you say in any of the these situations because it knows that there is no need in order to win.
Originally posted by quanchi112 The term omnipotent is thrown around loosely._ You know how many beings have been described as omnipotent.So basically you are saying it's ok for the LT and Thanos be called Omnipotent, and for the classic Beyonder, but when the presence shows true omnipotence by simply being and not having to act, then you demean the term. There is a word for what you are doing and for posters who do what you are doing. Begins with an H.
Originally posted by fangirl101I was just pointing out that many beings are called omnipotent. This presence couldnt have imagined the colors from coie correct? Means he isnt omnipotent. If you take and believe he is the same presence from vertigo as most do he is definitely not.
So basically you are saying it's ok for the LT and Thanos be called Omnipotent, and for the classic Beyonder, but when the presence shows true omnipotence by simply being and not having to act, then you demean the term. There is a word for what you are doing and for posters who do what you are doing. Begins with an H.
Either way I just proved he isnt.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I was just pointing out that many beings are called omnipotent. This presence couldnt have imagined the colors from coie correct? Means he isnt omnipotent. If you take and believe he is the same presence from vertigo as most do he is definitely not.Either way I just proved he isnt.
you just what? No you didn't? You didn't do anything more than you normally do. demean and look at it from a limited, skewed, one sided scope. So if Thanos has his hand charged with power, and someone is coming to take his hand from him, and they touch it and destroy themselves, is he anyless powerful because he didn't act? Or is it that he knew that they would over load on his power. You should probably brush up on your tactics if your going to debate against DC characters all of the time. I see you pwned so many times it's rediculous. And you don't even know that you aren't right, no where near right, and that you are losing.
Originally posted by fangirl101I am a pretty rational poster but I admit I am stubborn sometimes but can and have admitted when I was wrong.
you just what? No you didn't? You didn't do anything more than you normally do. demean and look at it from a limited, skewed, one sided scope. So if Thanos has his hand charged with power, and someone is coming to take his hand from him, and they touch it and destroy themselves, is he anyless powerful because he didn't act? Or is it that he knew that they would over load on his power. You should probably brush up on your tactics if your going to debate against DC characters all of the time. I see you pwned so many times it's rediculous. And you don't even know that you aren't right, no where near right, and that you are losing.
Again show me a scan in defense of the Presence. I explained in full detail two characters challenging and curbstomping dc heaven.
Cronus took the power of the presence and nothing was done in retaliation and Asmodel actually took over the wrath and nothing was done by the presence either.
Prove the presence would get involved here when he didnt in either of those two stories.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I am a pretty rational poster but I admit I am stubborn sometimes but can and have admitted when I was wrong.Again show me a scan in defense of the Presence. I explained in full detail two characters challenging and curbstomping dc heaven.
Cronus took the power of the presence and nothing was done in retaliation and Asmodel actually took over the wrath and nothing was done by the presence either.
Prove the presence would get involved here when he didnt in either of those two stories.
This post needs to go in my kitchen trash. Really. Cronus never TOOK the power of the presence. He touched the presence and went mad and got destroyed in the process. Cronus, who was CREATED by the Source. The Source who is lessor than the presence and is treated like trash by Lucifer. Lucifer who is created by YWH. Who himself is lessor than the presence. Or an extention of the presence. Asmodel took over the wrath and? What happened? he was stripped of his position and power by whom? Yeah that is what I thought.
Heaven was stormed and what? If your house is ransacked and you can simply snap your fingers and fix what ever is broken would you care who ran sacked it?
TOAA never acts does he? when Thanos took his "position" did the one above all try to stop him? I guess he did by sending his agent the LT and he got bitched. So I guess the one above ain't shit either. at least by your logic. But then again, the one above all is a marvel characters so you don't see any flaws there. There are many words that could describe your debating style. Stubborn being the very nicest and least insulting of them.
Originally posted by Unnatural-POWER
I can't believe we now need prove Supreme beings are Supreme in
order to have them classified as such.
Isn't the comics we all read evidence enough of their creations?This is ridiculous!
Originally posted by fangirl101He said on panel
This post needs to go in my kitchen trash. Really. Cronus never TOOK the power of the presence. He touched the presence and went mad and got destroyed in the process. Cronus, who was CREATED by the Source. The Source who is lessor than the presence and is treated like trash by Lucifer. Lucifer who is created by YWH. Who himself is lessor than the presence. Or an extention of the presence. Asmodel took over the wrath and? What happened? he was stripped of his position and power by whom? Yeah that is what I thought.Heaven was stormed and what? If your house is ransacked and you can simply snap your fingers and fix what ever is broken would you care who ran sacked it?
TOAA never acts does he? when Thanos took his "position" did the one above all try to stop him? I guess he did by sending his agent the LT and he got bitched. So I guess the one above ain't shit either. at least by your logic. But then again, the one above all is a marvel characters so you don't see any flaws there. There are many words that could describe your debating style. Stubborn being the very nicest and least insulting of them.
THE POWER OF THE PRESENCE IS MINE.
I mean its in black and white.
Again I thought you said in another thread that there is a different presence for dc than with vertigo. Which is it? You seem to change your mind all the time depending on which angle you want to go. So again according to you Lucy is a vertigo character so he doesnt count here unless you agree that its the same presence. Which is it?
When did the presence snap his fingers and restore the damage that was done? You make these claims yet tell me when I have on panel Cronus taking the very power of the presence and feed me this line of made up stuff.
Again Thanos was the most powerful being on panel. I dont argue writers vs comic book characters as its silly.
Originally posted by Unnatural-POWERThanos was supreme and has the power to defeat the presence is my point. He exists in all of creation and Thanos can absorb creation easily.
I can't believe we now need prove Supreme beings are Supreme in
order to have them classified as such.
Isn't the comics we all read evidence enough of their creations?This is ridiculous!
The presence in character doesnt get involved and is an on panel creation not a writer.
Originally posted by quanchi112
He said on panelTHE POWER OF THE PRESENCE IS MINE.
I mean its in black and white.
Again I thought you said in another thread that there is a different presence for dc than with vertigo. Which is it? You seem to change your mind all the time depending on which angle you want to go. So again according to you Lucy is a vertigo character so he doesnt count here unless you agree that its the same presence. Which is it?
When did the presence snap his fingers and restore the damage that was done? You make these claims yet tell me when I have on panel Cronus taking the very power of the presence and feed me this line of made up stuff.
Again Thanos was the most powerful being on panel. I dont argue writers vs comic book characters as its silly.
Originally posted by fangirl101Again quit insulting in your posts.
This is the best frail argument you can come up with? I clearly stated that YWH is an extention of the presence of some sorts. We've seen Micheal the arc angel in DC comics. So we know that there is a connection. We also know that elaine rules vertigo. And she is NOT the presence. Thus the vertigo realities are under the presence control. Cronus says he has the presence power and you take that as fact? He was destroyed and went insane just touching the power. How in the HELL did he take something he couldn't even wield? You are starting to bother me now. I think I'll stop while I'm ahead becaus it's become quite clear that no amount of sound reasoning or logic will permeate your THICK skull. You are blinded, a fanboy of marvel to the core, and I'm pretty much done. Oh and by the way, Thanos was the most powerful character on panel and yet the power he wielded is Gone? The presence is still around and still omnipotent. I'd say the Presence is the most powerful characters. And he has yet to be seen on Panel.
Prove he is an extension of some sorts when I have seen scans saying he is the presence. It seems this is just your theory but you are welcome to prove it to me.
Yes I take it as fact as he said he could see everything and nothing all at once. He was simply overwhelmed by being the presence which its no shock because I have seen the Spectre freak out when shown the aspect of god as well.
Again I will start pointing out your obvious changing stances. In one thread you speak of mxy feats and that they eclipse anything seen by certain marvel characters but over here feats dont matter.
You call me a marvel fanboy when I back up my logic with scans and logical reasoning. Again you shouldnt call people names.
Again Thanos was the most powerful character ever seen on panel while the presence hasnt been ever seen on panel but instead doesnt intervene ever in dc so why would he against Thanos.
For the purposes of this thread Thanos has the power of the heart so really you ranting about the presence still having his power has nothing to do with this thread at all. 🙂
Originally posted by starlockThanos was god and could absorb reality and in turn the presence makes up all of dc reality. He easily absorbs reality.
I think it comes down to the thread title....Thanos with.......thats all i need to see, if thanos has a power source that makes him a surpreme being, then there will never be a stalemate or even one win for him, the presence is was and will always be....therefore he/she will win every match
Originally posted by quanchi112
Again quit insulting in your posts.Prove he is an extension of some sorts when I have seen scans saying he is the presence. It seems this is just your theory but you are welcome to prove it to me.
Yes I take it as fact as he said he could see everything and nothing all at once. He was simply overwhelmed by being the presence which its no shock because I have seen the Spectre freak out when shown the aspect of god as well.
Again I will start pointing out your obvious changing stances. In one thread you speak of mxy feats and that they eclipse anything seen by certain marvel characters but over here feats dont matter.
You call me a marvel fanboy when I back up my logic with scans and logical reasoning. Again you shouldnt call people names.
Again Thanos was the most powerful character ever seen on panel while the presence hasnt been ever seen on panel but instead doesnt intervene ever in dc so why would he against Thanos.
For the purposes of this thread Thanos has the power of the heart so really you ranting about the presence still having his power has nothing to do with this thread at all. 🙂
Quan you a marvel fanboy. no doubt. Now, Feats dont' matter when discussing SUPREME BEINGS. They create EVERYTHING. That is thier feat. What is So damned hard about understanding that.
Simple logic would dictate that the presence in vertigo is not exactly the same since elaine rules vertigo. Elaine is the ruler of vertigo. but clearly the characters cross over in DC and answer to the presence. Is that simple enough for you?
The Presence wouldn't need to intervene against Thanos. Thanos was a pawn used by a supreme being. He'd fair no better against the presence. How ever each company wants to define what thier supreme being is, the point is, they are supreme. Thanos wasn't TOAA and thus he was being bitched by TOAA. He'd be bitched the same by the presence.
Your ranting about thanos being the most powerful character on panel means jack shit to me when he was manipulated by someone more powerful.
Originally posted by fangirl101There could be an argument that the presence isnt supreme due to his stalemate so to speak with the geb.
Quan you a marvel fanboy. no doubt. Now, Feats dont' matter when discussing SUPREME BEINGS. They create EVERYTHING. That is thier feat. What is So damned hard about understanding that.Simple logic would dictate that the presence in vertigo is not exactly the same since elaine rules vertigo. Elaine is the ruler of vertigo. but clearly the characters cross over in DC and answer to the presence. Is that simple enough for you?
The Presence wouldn't need to intervene against Thanos. Thanos was a pawn used by a supreme being. He'd fair no better against the presence. How ever each company wants to define what thier supreme being is, the point is, they are supreme. Thanos wasn't TOAA and thus he was being bitched by TOAA. He'd be bitched the same by the presence.
Your ranting about thanos being the most powerful character on panel means jack shit to me when he was manipulated by someone more powerful.
Prove there are two presences. Prove it. If you cant it means you are speculating.
Thanos was supreme and it was stated on panel time and again and confirmed by the writer himself who is TOAA.
TOAA is a writer and not an on panel being while the presence is on panel and isnt a real human being.
Again Thanos was described as supreme countless times.
Originally posted by quanchi112
There could be an argument that the presence isnt supreme due to his stalemate so to speak with the geb.Prove there are two presences. Prove it. If you cant it means you are speculating.
Thanos was supreme and it was stated on panel time and again and confirmed by the writer himself who is TOAA.
TOAA is a writer and not an on panel being while the presence is on panel and isnt a real human being.
Again Thanos was described as supreme countless times.
As your argument Unravels.
THE GEB and the LIGHT are now one being.
ELAINE RULES VERTIGO. THE PRESENCE RULES DC. Period. What other proof do you need? Are you just unwilling to concede this now and hate to be wrong?
Thanos couldn't be supreme if the supreme being of marvel is TOAA. are you saying that Thanos took TOAA place? Clearly He didnt'. The One above all was shown on panel as Kirby with his collaborator who was the voice on the other end of a phone line.
Thanos was described as supreme when he had the IG as well countless times. Your point?
Originally posted by fangirl101Yes but when you separate them they arent supreme but are yin and yang and equal beings.
As your argument Unravels.THE GEB and the LIGHT are now one being.
ELAINE RULES VERTIGO. THE PRESENCE RULES DC. Period. What other proof do you need? Are you just unwilling to concede this now and hate to be wrong?
Thanos couldn't be supreme if the supreme being of marvel is TOAA. are you saying that Thanos took TOAA place? Clearly He didnt'. The One above all was shown on panel as Kirby with his collaborator who was the voice on the other end of a phone line.
Thanos was described as supreme when he had the IG as well countless times. Your point?
So you are saying Elaine rules vertigo and the presence has nothing to do with this. Ok so at least we established in your mind that they are completely separate.
TOAA isnt an on panel being its a writer. 😉
On panel Thanos was supreme which was confirmed by TOAA aka Starlin for this tale.
Ok but it represented real life. TOAA is any writer and for this story Starlin said Thanos was supreme on panel. No one could beat him on panel. 😛
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes but when you separate them they arent supreme but are yin and yang and equal beings.So you are saying Elaine rules vertigo and the presence has nothing to do with this. Ok so at least we established in your mind that they are completely separate.
TOAA isnt an on panel being its a writer. 😉On panel Thanos was supreme which was confirmed by TOAA aka Starlin for this tale.
Ok but it represented real life. TOAA is any writer and for this story Starlin said Thanos was supreme on panel. No one could beat him on panel. 😛
Vertigo and DC are not COMPLETELY seperate. As we have seen Mike the arc angel in DC and we've seen the spectre in both as well as the endless. The presence is the outside force that shapes YHW.
Thanos was NOT TOAA. And According to marvel, TOAA is the supreme ruler of marvel.
Originally posted by fangirl101You cant have two supreme beings. The whole notion of being supreme is that you have no equals.
They were both supreme beings who fused. Who CANNOT be seperated. Did you miss the point of the story. the GEB was the Darkness. The Blank Page. The Light was the drawings. The creation. They fused.Vertigo and DC are not COMPLETELY seperate. As we have seen Mike the arc angel in DC and we've seen the spectre in both as well as the endless. The presence is the outside force that shapes YHW.
Thanos was NOT TOAA. And According to marvel, TOAA is the supreme ruler of marvel.
Prove that the presence is different. I have seen him referred to as the presence in vertigo. Prove it or drop it.