Akatsuki v.s. The Soul Society

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
1.Really? I could just be a dick and say because Tosen has no chakra Genjutsu will not affect him. Genjutsu's don't turn you comatose, only Tsukiyomi does, which is useless against a blind man as you need to see Itachi's eyes to get caught in it. Also, what if one of SS distracted Itachi, and then Tosen just used his Bankai on him? Itachi will be done for.

2. Kisame level an entire city? My ass, all he can do is make a lake by spitting out water, and he only does that to use his jutsus. Deidara will be dead so fast he won't have time to make a bomb, he's the weakest link in this fight.

3.Not really, with Toshihiro's Bankai he could freeze Hidan with one attack, and Hidan is the slowest dude in this fight, it would not be hard.

4. Renji a normal human? Wtf? He could have easily killed Ganju(asuming that's who you're talking about), and that was his Shikai. Kakuzu is made of flesh dude, he uses a jutsu to harden his skin(which would be easily cut by Kenny, who slices f*cking buildings in half). I think that Kakuzu in this fight will be one of the tougher guys to take out, but most or all of his team will be dead, so it doesn't matter.

5. Kisame is fast, strong, has a good sword, and has powerful water jutsus, but is no match for Kenny. He doesn't even know his Zanpakuto's name, but his swordskills and massive spiritual pressure allowed him to kill the former Team 11 captain and become the new captain. He sliced a building in half, he took Ichigo's sword without a scratch, and the amount of damage it took to make him KO was immense.

6. I will say right now that fight was BULLSHIT! Kenny was beating Ichigo's ass til Ichigo borrowed all his sword's power, then got a bunch of bad cuts in on Kenny. Kenny then showed his full power by removing his eyepatch which seals some of his power, then they dashed towards eachother in one clash, Ichigo fainted by Kenny's stab to the midsection(Ichigo had not bad wounds like Kenny did), and Kenny fell shortly after, but it was not that attack that felled him. It was blood loss, had Kenpachi been at full ower the whole fight, he would have murked Ichigo, even if Ichigo was borrowing all of his swords power. That is why that fight was bullshit.

7. Kakuzu's not that fast mane, Byakuya when he first met Ichigo ran by Ichigo and slashed him, Ichigo didn't even see him attack and could barely see him move, this is when he is in humanworld and his power is reduced to about 1/10. Byakuya's Bankai gives him control of like hundreds of 3 foot long floating blades, he would hit more than one of Kakuzu's hearts.

8. Too bad he dies before he can even use one of his big bombs(that would also kill him and his team btw).

Overall, Bleach characters are just plain stronger than Naruto ones.

Of course he has chakra. Everybody has chakra it sjust a name to describe the energy that flows through people. Its probalby not too differnt form the spirit energy they use in bleach or, DZ or any other anime or even Avatar. Don't get too hung up on names. Gnejutsu's can kill. He mihgt not die from it butor evne be comatose but but it doesn't take much for itachi to cast it. But mrerly pointing his finger. While a member of SS is distracting him one of their teamtes is getting double teamed. There is no body onf team SS that cna handle two Akatsuki members at all. Dont forget that Itachi cna create shadow clones so he cna fight more than one member of SS at atime not to mention SS have no way of knowing the real from the fake.

At 1/3 Chakra he turned desert into a lake wihtout any real effort. He doesn't have to spit on the groundhe can spit it at them or but the fac tis that if he did that a couple of times in a city it would be prety much under water. Perhaps Level was too strong a word, but then agian water Jutsus can saw through rock just look at the Sasori fight.

Hidan is not the slowest guy in the fight he is the slowest member of Akatsuki. Kenpachi or tosen are probaly the slowest people in the fight. Though I can see Whitey beating him but I can jsut as easily seeing nailing him instead. Also the only time I've seen him Flash Freeze someone is with his Bnakai and it was anything but instant. By then hidan will have his head.

Yes Renji is a normal human. He is a spirit jsut like eveyone else inSS but heis durablity is no higher than that of aregular human being. He is still jsut skin and flesh like other humans. Kakazu's body is made up of a a bunch flexible cables. Also it doesnt't matter iof he uses a jutsu to harden his fleshno one in SS cna stop him form doing it.

So what if Kenpachi cuts buildings in half. Why didn't he cut Ichigo in half, or Tousen for that matter? For the same reason that Tsunade was albe to Axe kick a crater in the ground but her hits didn't turn Orochimaru into a pile of goo. Cause hitting an inanimate object is nothing but display of power so that the cartoonist can show yo how bad-ass someone is. Byakya was carving up rocks but when he hit ichigo he idn't turn him into dog-meat did he?

Blood loss? Why didn't he faint after Tosen stabbed him through the abdomen he sure lost a lot of blood there. He got beat by a rookie swordsman. I agree that it was cheap cause he should have beat Ichigo but then again Neji should have pummeled naruto, but those are the breaks.

Of course Kakuza is that fast. The average Naruto ninja can do a min equivelant of a flash step. That like FLicker thing that ey do that is seen so often in anime. IT is a big deal in Bleach but inNaruto nearly everyone does it. Rock lee a mere Gnein was able to acheive speeds that actually impressed them. Asuma flickered from whre he was fighitnt Hidan to right behind Shikamaru and Kakuza is even faster than him a Jounin. Everyone in Akatsuki moves insaneley fast you cna see ti in their battles. where as on the SS team only afew people have speeds that cna keep up.
Which is why someone siad that the team owuld have done better with Ichigo cause he is one of the few able to match the speeds of Naruto characters.

He doesnt need hsi big bombs those little spider one s that he sent after Kakashi would be pretty much all he needs.

itachi's genjustus works at the level of the SOUL, not just the chakra circulatory system.

Soul Society curbstomps Akatsuki. End of story.

soul Society

Tsukiyomi can be avoided by simply closing ones eye's.

Originally posted by Warmonger
Of course he has chakra. Everybody has chakra it sjust a name to describe the energy that flows through people. Its probalby not too differnt form the spirit energy they use in bleach or, DZ or any other anime or even Avatar. Don't get too hung up on names. Gnejutsu's can kill. He mihgt not die from it butor evne be comatose but but it doesn't take much for itachi to cast it. But mrerly pointing his finger. While a member of SS is distracting him one of their teamtes is getting double teamed. There is no body onf team SS that cna handle two Akatsuki members at all. Dont forget that Itachi cna create shadow clones so he cna fight more than one member of SS at atime not to mention SS have no way of knowing the real from the fake.

At 1/3 Chakra he turned desert into a lake wihtout any real effort. He doesn't have to spit on the groundhe can spit it at them or but the fac tis that if he did that a couple of times in a city it would be prety much under water. Perhaps Level was too strong a word, but then agian water Jutsus can saw through rock just look at the Sasori fight.

Hidan is not the slowest guy in the fight he is the slowest member of Akatsuki. Kenpachi or tosen are probaly the slowest people in the fight. Though I can see Whitey beating him but I can jsut as easily seeing nailing him instead. Also the only time I've seen him Flash Freeze someone is with his Bnakai and it was anything but instant. By then hidan will have his head.

Yes Renji is a normal human. He is a spirit jsut like eveyone else inSS but heis durablity is no higher than that of aregular human being. He is still jsut skin and flesh like other humans. Kakazu's body is made up of a a bunch flexible cables. Also it doesnt't matter iof he uses a jutsu to harden his fleshno one in SS cna stop him form doing it.

So what if Kenpachi cuts buildings in half. Why didn't he cut Ichigo in half, or Tousen for that matter? For the same reason that Tsunade was albe to Axe kick a crater in the ground but her hits didn't turn Orochimaru into a pile of goo. Cause hitting an inanimate object is nothing but display of power so that the cartoonist can show yo how bad-ass someone is. Byakya was carving up rocks but when he hit ichigo he idn't turn him into dog-meat did he?

Blood loss? Why didn't he faint after Tosen stabbed him through the abdomen he sure lost a lot of blood there. He got beat by a rookie swordsman. I agree that it was cheap cause he should have beat Ichigo but then again Neji should have pummeled naruto, but those are the breaks.

Of course Kakuza is that fast. The average Naruto ninja can do a min equivelant of a flash step. That like FLicker thing that ey do that is seen so often in anime. IT is a big deal in Bleach but inNaruto nearly everyone does it. Rock lee a mere Gnein was able to acheive speeds that actually impressed them. Asuma flickered from whre he was fighitnt Hidan to right behind Shikamaru and Kakuza is even faster than him a Jounin. Everyone in Akatsuki moves insaneley fast you cna see ti in their battles. where as on the SS team only afew people have speeds that cna keep up.
Which is why someone siad that the team owuld have done better with Ichigo cause he is one of the few able to match the speeds of Naruto characters.

He doesnt need hsi big bombs those little spider one s that he sent after Kakashi would be pretty much all he needs.

2. He only uses that technique to have water so he can use Jutsus, that is it. The amount of pressure he unleashes has never even been suggested to be able to kill someone. His jutsus will do damage, but not that.

3. Okay, Kenny is not really slow, he just is not as fast on his feet(he can't Flash Step) but his striking speed is still fast and powerful, tho I admit he probably can't run as fast as Hidan. Tosen is not really slow, no idea why you are saying that. How will Hidan lob off his head? Whitey is way too fast, he could just lob off Hidan's arm and then freeze him, and also Whitey's weapon is MUCH longer.

4. This is how I know you don't have a clue what you are talking about. Shinigami(Soul Reapers) all have more strength, speed, and durability than normal humans. To say they are only normal humans is ridiculous. Only the inside of Kakuzu is made of cables, not his whole body, and that jutsu that hardens his skin would be easily cut through by Kenny or Aizen.

5. Maybe it's cause said characters have enough durability to take attacks from them? I can't believe you are trying to say Kenny cutting a building in half is not relevant because they cannot do it in battle, that's stupid. Ichigo has more durability than rocks.

6. Tosens wound was nothing compared to the numerous wounds he should not have suffered in his fight with Ichigo. He was not beat, it was a PIS(plot induced stupidity) filled "draw" that Kenny should have won.

7. Everyone cept Kenny is capable of Flash Step(and he is still above human speed and his striking speed is still fast) and they all move faster than the eye can see. Aizen has become so powerful, he can no longer improve as a Shinigami, he is the fastest guy in this fight most likely. Bleach characters are faster and stronger than Naruto characters. Lee is a Taijutsu prodigy and is faster than many Jonin dude. Kakuzu may be faster than Asuma, but Asuma is not really that fast in the grand scheme of things. The fastest guy on Akatsuki team is probably Kisame.

8. Those would be easily avoided by Aizen, Whitey, Byakuya, and Tosen, whereas Kenny with his uber durability would run through it and lob off Deidara's head.

Akatsuki are nothing in the Bleach universe. Sandai, why don't you participate in this debate?

chakra at lower levels is biological but when your talking about higher level techniques it ISNT. just like sasuke using the shaaringan to get into naruto's SOUL or itachi attacking a person's SOUL{and yes he cas tsukiyomi on sasuke with his eyes closed}, or using the 9 illusionary dragons jutsu or yondaime's shinigami jutsu.

people have this illusion of power of bleach characters simply cause they live in the SOUL SOCIETY. compare feats for feats, strength/speed/reflexes and naruto characters always come out on top.

the fact that they are shinigami means nuthing cause the attacks they use are often physical and physical barriers{like being blind etc} can CANCEL the so called techniques which work at the level of one's spirit.

akatsuki wins as they currently stand. far too much power and versatility.

also, in bleach, the greater battle paremeter seems to be speed. it predominates over other characteristics{unlike strength etc. characters with the best speed are always superior} thats why people seem to get that bleech characters are faster than naruto. but just because they are weaker in the other characteristics, doesnt mean naruto characters are inferior in speed.

people are also forgetting kakuzu's masochistic jutsu, there is also the same mystery as aizen about itachi's true power. he has thus far shown to be superior and his shaaringan will null any ordinary zanpakuto illusion and amaterasu will probably rip through the entire opposition. diedara might take the whole opposite team ALONE with his c-4 and/or kamekaze jutsu. the puppet master with his 100 who can take down an entire country, etc etc. and were not even considering the extremely strong and mysterious pein{a guy who casually causes eternal rain to pour around the rain village etc} his female partnet, urochimaru and tobi.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
chakra at lower levels is biological but when your talking about higher level techniques it ISNT. just like sasuke using the shaaringan to get into naruto's SOUL or itachi attacking a person's SOUL{and yes he cas tsukiyomi on sasuke with his eyes closed}, or using the 9 illusionary dragons jutsu or yondaime's shinigami jutsu.

people have this illusion of power of bleach characters simply cause they live in the SOUL SOCIETY. compare feats for feats, strength/speed/reflexes and naruto characters always come out on top.

the fact that they are shinigami means nuthing cause the attacks they use are often physical and physical barriers{like being blind etc} can CANCEL the so called techniques which work at the level of one's spirit.

akatsuki wins as they currently stand. far too much power and versatility.

Bleach characters are much stronger than Naruto characters. Ichigo early in the series with his weak but big Zanpakuto defeated a Menos Gillian, which was like 300 feet tall.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
also, in bleach, the greater battle paremeter seems to be speed. it predominates over other characteristics{unlike strength etc. characters with the best speed are always superior} thats why people seem to get that bleech characters are faster than naruto. but just because they are weaker in the other characteristics, doesnt mean naruto characters are inferior in speed.

But they ARE inferior in speed. That's just how it is. And are we watching the same Bleach? Because, from what I've seen, Bleach characters are VERY strong.

people are also forgetting kakuzu's masochistic jutsu, there is also the same mystery as aizen about itachi's true power. he has thus far shown to be superior and his shaaringan will null any ordinary zanpakuto illusion and amaterasu will probably rip through the entire opposition.

Itachi has hypnotized Kakashi, Naruto and Sasuke with his Mangekyou Sharingan. He showed that he is able to perform hand signals quickly. What else has he done that puts him remotely near Aizen's level? Nothing. Aizen cuts off Itachi's head long before the thought of Tsukiyomi even becomes a plausible option for him.

diedara might take the whole opposite team ALONE with his c-4 and/or kamekaze jutsu. the puppet master with his 100 who can take down an entire country, etc etc. and were not even considering the extremely strong and mysterious pein{a guy who casually causes eternal rain to pour around the rain village etc} his female partnet, urochimaru and tobi.

Only one thing... they all get speed blitzed.

Seriously, Bleach is just too fast. When it comes to a bloodlust battle, then that's what it comes down to : Who hits first.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
No, all chakra is biological. What does entering someone's soul do that makes it not? Oh, and no Tsukiyomi never works if the person is not looking in their eyes. Speed: Flash Step allows Ukitake and that other dud travel miles in an instant. Strength: Kenpachi casually sliced a builging in half like it was nothing. Reflexes: Ichigo could defend against Byakuya's attacks despite being much slower(didn't even know Flash Steps yet). While I'm at it Durability: Kenny took Ichigo's sword to the chest without a scratch.

Bleach characters are much stronger than Naruto characters. Ichigo early in the series with his weak but big Zanpakuto defeated a Menos Gillian, which was like 300 feet tall.

untrue. not all chakra is biological. the kyuubi isnt a biological part of naruto and yet its chakra leaks into naruto. entering sum one's soul with shaaringan/chakra proves that shaaringan jutsu works at the level of the souland that chakra based jutsu are not just biological.

tsukiyomi worked on sasuke when he had his eyes closed. plus later, itachi's normal genjutsu worked on naruto when he wasnt looking at itachi simply by POINTING A FINGER.

speed, hidan and kakuzu left the couintry instantaneously. and again, the light speed feat remain. there are many others.

strength, naruto destroyes a waterfall thousands of men's width wide and extremely tall. 4 tails destroyes the entire landscape in second{10s of miles of it} gaaara changes landscapes etc. dont even get me started on diedara's jutsus.

reflexes: shaaringan. sasuke vs one tail. fighting blurs. fighting haku, etc etc

durability: 😆 😆 😆 , normal naruto and sasuke surviving mini nuke level clashed of chidori vs shaaringan which left shockwaves as large as a humoungous lake. sasuke surviving diedara's clay attacks. hmmm, again too many feats.

bleach characters are not as strong as naruto characters, even in the chuunin ark naruto defeated shukaku whose single attack could level an entire footbal fields worth of ground. and it was definately larger than any foe ichigo has faught.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
untrue. not all chakra is biological. the kyuubi isnt a biological part of naruto and yet its chakra leaks into naruto. entering sum one's soul with shaaringan/chakra proves that shaaringan jutsu works at the level of the souland that chakra based jutsu are not just biological.

Chakra is biological to the Naruto universe. And Sharingan works against your mind. Not soul. Stop lying.

tsukiyomi worked on sasuke when he had his eyes closed. plus later, itachi's normal genjutsu worked on naruto when he wasnt looking at itachi simply by POINTING A FINGER.

No, it didn't. And guess what? Before Itachi sticks his fingers out, Aizen cuts if off his his hand.

speed, hidan and kakuzu left the couintry instantaneously. and again, the light speed feat remain. there are many others.

You do realize that between panels/pages of a manga, time can actually PASS, right? Therefore, that's not a legitimate feat. And light speed is bullshit.

strength, naruto destroyes a waterfall thousands of men's width wide and extremely tall. 4 tails destroyes the entire landscape in second{10s of miles of it} gaaara changes landscapes etc. dont even get me started on diedara's jutsus.

You do realize this isn't a contest of who can tear more landscape up, but rather, who can kill first. In that case, it's Bleach who wins because of their speed.

reflexes: shaaringan. sasuke vs one tail. fighting blurs. fighting haku, etc etc

Reflexes, Ichigo cutting up tens of thousands of sakura blade petals in an instant, all from different angles.

durability: 😆 😆 😆 , normal naruto and sasuke surviving mini nuke level clashed of chidori vs shaaringan which left shockwaves as large as a humoungous lake. sasuke surviving diedara's clay attacks. hmmm, again too many feats.

Right... so, that's why Naruto and them can get hurt by simple cuts by kunais. 🙄

bleach characters are not as strong as naruto characters, even in the chuunin ark naruto defeated shukaku whose single attack could level an entire footbal fields worth of ground. and it was definately larger than any foe ichigo has faught.

Oh, wow. A giant raccoon leveled some ground with its big ass body. That's something I should be impressed about?

Originally posted by leonheartmm
untrue. not all chakra is biological. the kyuubi isnt a biological part of naruto and yet its chakra leaks into naruto. entering sum one's soul with shaaringan/chakra proves that shaaringan jutsu works at the level of the souland that chakra based jutsu are not just biological.

tsukiyomi worked on sasuke when he had his eyes closed. plus later, itachi's normal genjutsu worked on naruto when he wasnt looking at itachi simply by POINTING A FINGER.

speed, hidan and kakuzu left the couintry instantaneously. and again, the light speed feat remain. there are many others.

strength, naruto destroyes a waterfall thousands of men's width wide and extremely tall. 4 tails destroyes the entire landscape in second{10s of miles of it} gaaara changes landscapes etc. dont even get me started on diedara's jutsus.

reflexes: shaaringan. sasuke vs one tail. fighting blurs. fighting haku, etc etc

durability: 😆 😆 😆 , normal naruto and sasuke surviving mini nuke level clashed of chidori vs shaaringan which left shockwaves as large as a humoungous lake. sasuke surviving diedara's clay attacks. hmmm, again too many feats.

bleach characters are not as strong as naruto characters, even in the chuunin ark naruto defeated shukaku whose single attack could level an entire footbal fields worth of ground. and it was definately larger than any foe ichigo has faught.

2. No it didn't, that's a bullshit lie. I saw the episode and read the manga, his eyes were open. Also, the finger thing was just a normal Sharingan related Genjutsu, and Aizen will have killed Itachi before he could react. And Sharingan only dispels Genjutsus, Aizen's illusion will work. Tosen would actually kill Itachi easier than Aizen would.

Speed: Hidan and Kakuzu left nothing instantaneously, that's all bullshit. Once again, are you really arguing that Sasuke's fireballs are ANYWHERE near lightspeed?

Strength: None of that is strength, I was talking about physical power.

Reflexes: Sharingan users are the only ones who can match up to Bleach characters in this department.

Durability: Mini nuke? My ass, you know what a nuke is right? Also, no blast was obviously touching them, Naruto characters get cut by kunai, and their punches are nowhere near mini nukes. Sasuke would have died if not for summoning Manda and you know it.

Menos Gillian is even bigger than Shukaku, and they're cannon fodder in present-time Bleach.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
1. No, Chakra is biological in the Naruto world, whereas Tosen is a ghost, and they have Spiritual pressure/power, not chakra. They lack the chakra network running through their body. No one in SS that can handle two Akatsuki members? Aizen could solo alot of the team by his damn self with an illusion.

2. He only uses that technique to have water so he can use Jutsus, that is it. The amount of pressure he unleashes has never even been suggested to be able to kill someone. His jutsus will do damage, but not that.

3. Okay, Kenny is not really slow, he just is not as fast on his feet(he can't Flash Step) but his striking speed is still fast and powerful, tho I admit he probably can't run as fast as Hidan. Tosen is not really slow, no idea why you are saying that. How will Hidan lob off his head? Whitey is way too fast, he could just lob off Hidan's arm and then freeze him, and also Whitey's weapon is MUCH longer.

4. This is how I know you don't have a clue what you are talking about. Shinigami(Soul Reapers) all have more strength, speed, and durability than normal humans. To say they are only normal humans is ridiculous. Only the inside of Kakuzu is made of cables, not his whole body, and that jutsu that hardens his skin would be easily cut through by Kenny or Aizen.

5. Maybe it's cause said characters have enough durability to take attacks from them? I can't believe you are trying to say Kenny cutting a building in half is not relevant because they cannot do it in battle, that's stupid. Ichigo has more durability than rocks.

6. Tosens wound was nothing compared to the numerous wounds he should not have suffered in his fight with Ichigo. He was not beat, it was a PIS(plot induced stupidity) filled "draw" that Kenny should have won.

7. Everyone cept Kenny is capable of Flash Step(and he is still above human speed and his striking speed is still fast) and they all move faster than the eye can see. Aizen has become so powerful, he can no longer improve as a Shinigami, he is the fastest guy in this fight most likely. Bleach characters are faster and stronger than Naruto characters. Lee is a Taijutsu prodigy and is faster than many Jonin dude. Kakuzu may be faster than Asuma, but Asuma is not really that fast in the grand scheme of things. The fastest guy on Akatsuki team is probably Kisame.

8. Those would be easily avoided by Aizen, Whitey, Byakuya, and Tosen, whereas Kenny with his uber durability would run through it and lob off Deidara's head.

Akatsuki are nothing in the Bleach universe. Sandai, why don't you participate in this debate?

How do you kow they will be fighitng in Soul Soceity? Or for that matter how do you know it spirit energy works in the Naruto world. Unless other wise stated they are in a neutral world where both their powers work or you are giving them a major handicap I assume that hey are ina neutral settig where all their powers work unless the OP says otherwise. Also Naurto cahracters have techniques that actualy combat illusions, something they don't have in Bleach.
Please Kakazu could solo these guys.

True he has never used it in that manner but I don't see why he can't. Either way turning the battlefeild into a lake is still a major advantage for him. As he can simply trap several SS in Water Sheilds while his party members kill the others.

How will he lob off his head? With his giant Scythe. Why do you keep assuming Whitey is faster, he isn't. At best I'm giving him the huge benifit of the doubt5 and sayign that he is even. But tlets face it Bleach speedsters are fast in a world of normal speed people. Naruto characters are fast in a world of super-fast ninjas. I'm not evne saying whitely is definelty going to lose. Simply that it could go either way depending on how it plays out. My money is on Hidan for what tis worth.

Oh really? Enlgihten me then. Show me where abverage no name Shinigami have super-human strength. Show me where rank and faile Shinigami have super speed. Form the very first episode of Naruto the ninjas where zippping around the city at super-speeds there wasn't one speed feat until Kuchiki Byuakuya showed up. Show me the superhuman abilities of the Shinigami which ar enot named and I'll belive it. I'll save you some time their arent any. Shinigami are about the speed of humans tops. Only the elite LT and up have any sped and even the top, Ichigo, is only faster than these other slow guys.

Of course its meaningless. Do you think Kenpachi has more strength and cutting ability than Renji when Ichigo first came to SS. Of course. Yet Renji was able to cut Ichigo, so doesn't taht mean that Kenpachi should have cut right through him? He is a Captain after all. The answer is that Beating up inanimate objects is pointless unless it works jsut as well on people. So cutting a building in Half is just cinematics to make you go "ohhh this guys is Sh!t" tis meanignless.

Yet he didn't win, he lost. In order to claim PIS you have to show that it is inconsistent with the characters average showings. Up until that fight what showings did Kenpachi have? None this was his first fight and it set the tone so it wasn't PIS. IT isnt' PIS so much as it establishes the Heirarchy. Byakuya>Kenpachi>Tosen?Dog Guy.

Considerng that basic no name ninjas can do a weak flash step. These super-elite ninjas can too... except maybe Deidra. Hell Hidan and Kakazu did one after they were recalled. Faster than which Jounin? How do you know that? He isn't faster than Kakashi or Guy and they were nothing to Akatsuki.

Maybe, Maybe not.

Hey if Chakra doesn't work there then yes. If it does then they easily take that little city over.

Once again, Naruto ninjas shimmering and disappearing is not a speed feat. That's an effect many anime use. Only in Bleach, it's an actual move with a description behind it. Only real speed feet happened when Haku used his water mirror jutsu.

Naruto ninjas are not as fast as you make it out to be. In fact, if they're so damn fast, why does it take them forever to search around the city and surrounding areas? If they're as uber fast as you wank them to be, how is it that they can't just once over a city and find anything? Simply put, they're not that fast. Read comparison of cartoon characters using same effect.

Akatsuki can try so hard and get so far, but in the end, it doesn't even matter. (haha)

They get owned. Badly.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
bleach characters are not as strong as naruto characters, even in the chuunin ark naruto defeated shukaku whose single attack could level an entire footbal fields worth of ground. and it was definately larger than any foe ichigo has faught.

didn't aizen and gin beat like 10 giant hollows, easily?

Originally posted by Inspectah Deck
didn't aizen and gin beat like 10 giant hollows, easily?

Originally posted by Akuki
Aizen has been shown defeating giant hollows with his bare hands with no effort at all.

Originally posted by Sandai Kitetsu
What, no he hasn't.

Originally posted by Akuki
Actually yes he has, it was shown during Hinamori's recollections of her early days of training. I'll try and find a pic or link of it.

Also if we're equating reiatsu with Chakra, that means that unless naruto characters have overwhelming levels of chkra they wouldn't even be able to get their jutsu's to work on bleach characters as the higher level characters have the ability to ignore any reiatsu attack that is not strong enough to penetrate their unconcious power level. In Aizen's case with his power level even Naruto's wind jutsu would have an enormous amount of difficulty penetrating it.