Originally posted by Warmonger1.Well, I think that FL said they were fighting in SS. Sure, why not send them in a world where all powers work, it makes no difference. Fact is, they can only combat Genutsus, not Aizen's illusions.
How do you kow they will be fighitng in Soul Soceity? Or for that matter how do you know it spirit energy works in the Naruto world. Unless other wise stated they are in a neutral world where both their powers work or you are giving them a major handicap I assume that hey are ina neutral settig where all their powers work unless the OP says otherwise. Also Naurto cahracters have techniques that actualy combat illusions, something they don't have in Bleach.
Please Kakazu could solo these guys.True he has never used it in that manner but I don't see why he can't. Either way turning the battlefeild into a lake is still a major advantage for him. As he can simply trap several SS in Water Sheilds while his party members kill the others.
How will he lob off his head? With his giant Scythe. Why do you keep assuming Whitey is faster, he isn't. At best I'm giving him the huge benifit of the doubt5 and sayign that he is even. But tlets face it Bleach speedsters are fast in a world of normal speed people. Naruto characters are fast in a world of super-fast ninjas. I'm not evne saying whitely is definelty going to lose. Simply that it could go either way depending on how it plays out. My money is on Hidan for what tis worth.
Oh really? Enlgihten me then. Show me where abverage no name Shinigami have super-human strength. Show me where rank and faile Shinigami have super speed. Form the very first episode of Naruto the ninjas where zippping around the city at super-speeds there wasn't one speed feat until Kuchiki Byuakuya showed up. Show me the superhuman abilities of the Shinigami which ar enot named and I'll belive it. I'll save you some time their arent any. Shinigami are about the speed of humans tops. Only the elite LT and up have any sped and even the top, Ichigo, is only faster than these other slow guys.
Of course its meaningless. Do you think Kenpachi has more strength and cutting ability than Renji when Ichigo first came to SS. Of course. Yet Renji was able to cut Ichigo, so doesn't taht mean that Kenpachi should have cut right through him? He is a Captain after all. The answer is that Beating up inanimate objects is pointless unless it works jsut as well on people. So cutting a building in Half is just cinematics to make you go "ohhh this guys is Sh!t" tis meanignless.
Yet he didn't win, he lost. In order to claim PIS you have to show that it is inconsistent with the characters average showings. Up until that fight what showings did Kenpachi have? None this was his first fight and it set the tone so it wasn't PIS. IT isnt' PIS so much as it establishes the Heirarchy. Byakuya>Kenpachi>Tosen?Dog Guy.
Considerng that basic no name ninjas can do a weak flash step. These super-elite ninjas can too... except maybe Deidra. Hell Hidan and Kakazu did one after they were recalled. Faster than which Jounin? How do you know that? He isn't faster than Kakashi or Guy and they were nothing to Akatsuki.
Maybe, Maybe not.
Hey if Chakra doesn't work there then yes. If it does then they easily take that little city over.
2. Because it is not even known how much pressure it would do. He can only trap ONE in a Water Shield, as he needs to touch the shield to mantain it, and he will be a sitting duck since he can't move or use the hand making the shield.
3. Yes, Whitey is much faster, and has a much longer weapon(in Bankai form anyway). Bleach speedsters make Might Guy look slow.
4. Sure, how about the numerous times they block the blows of 30 foot hollows with their unsealed swords? That's strength, and to be able to take an unsealed Zanpakuto and cut through the skull of a hollow is hard. Ichigo after becoming a Shinigami jumps long and crosses large amounts of distance in a pretty short amount of time. Ichigo in Bankai form was dodging all of Byakuya's hundreds of swords, which were moving very fast, that's beyond anything a Naruto character has done speedwise.
5. Wow, you really know nothing of Bleach do you? First of all, Kenny in the start of the fight had his eyepatch on, which seals off the large bulk of his Spirit power(which when released spirals all the way above the clouds in a booming DBZ like fashion). Even then he was toying with Ichigo, then Ichigo grew some balls(at first he was afraid of Kenny because of his immense Spiritual Pressure, this is with eyepatch on mind you) and landed a small cut on Kenny, but then Ichigo got cocky, and Kenny walked up to him, and stabbed his sword straight thru Ichigo's(which also broke it in half), impaling him in the chest. Then, Ichigo did some gay plot device, revived himself(fully healed I might add) and his sword, and with his newfound power(he was borrowing all of Zangetsu's, his sword's, power) got MANY bad cuts on a grinning and laughing Kenny. Kenny then removed his patch, revealing his true power, and had one final clash with Ichigo, Kenny stabbed him in the chest while Ichigo barely got his sword thru Kenny's chest, and Ichigo fell, followed by Kenny who only fell due to his massive blood loss. I hope this explains it to you, basically while fighting Kenny he grew much stronger than when he fought Renji.
6. I explained that until the final clash, Kenny was holding back to make the fight last longer, he could have killed Ichigo with ease even with Ichigo borrowing all of Zangetsu's power if Kenny didn't have the Goddamned eyepatch.
7. First of all, for all we know those ninja on the first episode were all Jonin, so don't act like they were weak, they were all adults, so chances are all were Chunin or Jonin, I know for a fact Choji's dad, a Jonin, was there. That whole crossing a country instantly is bullshit, time can take place between manga panels you know?
Originally posted by Violent2Dope
1.Well, I think that FL said they were fighting in SS. Sure, why not send them in a world where all powers work, it makes no difference. Fact is, they can only combat Genutsus, not Aizen's illusions.2. Because it is not even known how much pressure it would do. He can only trap ONE in a Water Shield, as he needs to touch the shield to mantain it, and he will be a sitting duck since he can't move or use the hand making the shield.
3. Yes, Whitey is much faster, and has a much longer weapon(in Bankai form anyway). Bleach speedsters make Might Guy look slow.
4. Sure, how about the numerous times they block the blows of 30 foot hollows with their unsealed swords? That's strength, and to be able to take an unsealed Zanpakuto and cut through the skull of a hollow is hard. Ichigo after becoming a Shinigami jumps long and crosses large amounts of distance in a pretty short amount of time. Ichigo in Bankai form was dodging all of Byakuya's hundreds of swords, which were moving very fast, that's beyond anything a Naruto character has done speedwise.
5. Wow, you really know nothing of Bleach do you? First of all, Kenny in the start of the fight had his eyepatch on, which seals off the large bulk of his Spirit power(which when released spirals all the way above the clouds in a booming DBZ like fashion). Even then he was toying with Ichigo, then Ichigo grew some balls(at first he was afraid of Kenny because of his immense Spiritual Pressure, this is with eyepatch on mind you) and landed a small cut on Kenny, but then Ichigo got cocky, and Kenny walked up to him, and stabbed his sword straight thru Ichigo's(which also broke it in half), impaling him in the chest. Then, Ichigo did some gay plot device, revived himself(fully healed I might add) and his sword, and with his newfound power(he was borrowing all of Zangetsu's, his sword's, power) got MANY bad cuts on a grinning and laughing Kenny. Kenny then removed his patch, revealing his true power, and had one final clash with Ichigo, Kenny stabbed him in the chest while Ichigo barely got his sword thru Kenny's chest, and Ichigo fell, followed by Kenny who only fell due to his massive blood loss. I hope this explains it to you, basically while fighting Kenny he grew much stronger than when he fought Renji.
6. I explained that until the final clash, Kenny was holding back to make the fight last longer, he could have killed Ichigo with ease even with Ichigo borrowing all of Zangetsu's power if Kenny didn't have the God damned eye patch.
7. First of all, for all we know those ninja on the first episode were all Jonin, so don't act like they were weak, they were all adults, so chances are all were Chunin or Jonin, I know for a fact Choji's dad, a Jonin, was there. That whole crossing a country instantly is bullshit, time can take place between manga panels you know?
!. Pure Thoery. None of thier Illusions might work but right now we jsut got opinions on that. Considering that Itachi can see through pretyt much any kind of illsuion and even into the soul (I don't know about all that other stuff but it does allow you to look into the soul) I think he won't fall for it. The rest of Akatsuki might be boned though. Unless Itachi kills Aizen frst.
2. Actually he can trap several in a water bubble by using his water clone Jutsu just like when he fought team Guy.
3. Longer weapon yes, faster no. Hidan can fight forever though and where as whitey has to hit him with his main attack for that to work. Hidan only has to nick him.
4. Yet Ganju's spear sends him flying. Theat fruity spirit detective guy was able to block a hollow attack as well. He aint superhuman. Also I'm not talking about ichigo I'm talking about all those nameless Shinigami that run around SS. They never do anything remotely superhuman. No it isn't. Anything that Byakuya could do with his sand Gaara could do with his Sand and Rock lee was able to dodge it. Chiyo was able to make both her and Sakura dodge wave after wave of Sasori's needles which was more numerous than Byauya's flower petals.
5. Yeah I saw the fight I have ti on my hard drive. So waht you call Ichigo using his wepaon's power a Plot Device. HE grew stronger yes but that was after getitn cut down. Yet he didn't cut Ichigo in half before he got his power-up. In fact his power-up didn't seem to affect his ability to cut him at all. So cutting a buidling in half still only gets you so far if it doesn't work on person.
6. Thats not PIS thats CIS. He wasn't puncked so much as he didn't use his full abilites until he had a reason to. So he was just acting in character and paid for it. Which is why I was metnioning Naruto vs Neji as someone getting doped by somethig they should have but they le ttheir guard down.
7. I didnt' say they were all Genin but Chunin is not a big deal in Naruto. Also Iruka was able to perform the same feats. Crossing the the whole country thing, I don't rember vouching for that. I simply indicated their abiltiy to move far with a sinlge movemnt.
Please Gamabunta would wipe the floor with that oversided Suit of Armor. Hell Akatuski atcually takes down POWERFUl gigantic mosnters not some overstuffed Samurai. Diedra could solo that thing.
The Reitsu thing is not impressive at all. Orochimaru did that as his first Gnejutsu. It wouldn't evne faze anyone in Akatsuki.
As for the whirldwind thing that is impressive. I can't say I can place an exact duplicate but I would probably pick Sakura' s fight with Sasori's 100 puppets.
Well if your going to bring the Old man in then SS chances go up significantly.
One of the problems with this debate is that we don't know who will mathc up with who and this determines plety of who might be the victors in thsi match so I'm goign to give a match-up break-down.
Itazchi vs Aizen.
Aizen is still too mcuh of a mystery to add when he displays his real power I'll be better able to judge same thing goes for ITachi. So i'm going to judge them purley on what they've shown.
Itachi 6/10
This is close but like I said Itachi is nearly blind and if you don't see the initial release of Aizen's Napakto then you don't get caught in the Illusion. Though evne if he gets caught his Sharingan will peirce it anyway. If for some reason their powers cancel out and they have to go at it with powers and wepaons this is where Itachi is realy better. Hsi Jutsus are more desttrucive certainly more than that lame ass black cage attack nto to mention that he can easily use shadow cloens to keep Aizen off balance though he sitl ahs to wathc out for Aizens spells and sword and Aizne might have him beat in sheer speed. Tough battle but he has the edge so far.
Itachi vs Kenpachi
Iachi 8/10
I'm not sure how much damage he could really do with his Genjustu to Kenpachi as the man is alreyad pretty warped. I Imagin it'l come down to kunai and and jutsus and Kenpachi is pretyt good in clsoe but ITachi is faster. I imagine this one ends with Kenpachi a walking pinchusion of shurukein and Kunai beofre he finally drops.
ITachi vs Byakuya
Itachi 7/10
Another tough one. But I imagine Byakuya is more vulnerable to Genjutsu than Kenpachi making his job somewhat easier. However he is in danger ofgetting skewred if he doesn't keep moving and good luck getting an Shurukein through those petals. He might have to break out Ameretsu for this one.
Itachi vs Toshiro
Itachi 8/10
Itahci melts all hsi ice attacks iwht hsi fire jutsus and he Whitey is still pretty vulnerable to Gnejutsus and things ask Aizen.
Itahci vs Tosen
Itachi 9/10
The only thing tosen has goign for him is that Bankai, and I don't think that will work on Itachi. Granted all of his Sharingan genjutsu goes out the door, but that doesnt' save Tosen for being shanked preiosn style byt a Kunai.
Kisame vs Aizen
Aizen 8/10
Kisame is another character who hasn't gone all out yet either, I assume there is more to him than jsut a guy who has nice water Jutsus and a sowrd but thats all I got to work with. If that is all he has then I imagine he wont be able to beat his Jutsu. The reason I gve Aizen only 8 is in the case that he doesn't use his illusion then Kisame's chances are better.
Kisame vs Kenpachi
Ksiame 7/10
Man I would pay money to see this fight. I wold love to see the expresison on Kisame's face when he sucks out Kenny's power only to have evnemore spring up. Though I imagine if the fight wore on Kisame is faster is a better sowrdsman and is more versatile giving him a nice advantage.
Kisame vs Byakuya
Byakuya 6/10
There isn't much that Byakuya cna do with his power that Kisame can't mimic with Suiton jutsus. But the ease with which Byakya can do it might be too mcuh for Kisame. Though if Ichigo cna do it then there is a good chance that Kisame can as well.
Kisame vs Toshiro
Kisame 7/10
Ice techiniques probalby won't evne be able to harm Kisame since he is suiton master. Though they might still be damaging This battle could go on a while as the two throw wepaons at each other though Kisame's things like water clones and such ive him the versilitlity edge over Whitey.
Kisame vs Tosen
Kisame 9/10 or Tosen 9/10
This match is a split depending on how Samehada interacts with a Bleahc character if it works like it does in NAruto then tosen is boned as he sword would proably draw out the power Tosen's Bankai. If not then he is pretty much screwed as Tosen kills him at his leisure.
Deidra vs Aizen
Aizen 9/10
No explanation needed really. THough I haven't read the Deidra vs Sasuke fight yet so I dont' know f his eye peice works or not though I'm willgn to bet it doesn't.
Deidra vs Kenapchi
Deidra 8/10
Dedra stays out of his range all day and bombs him to death. TIs gay but its a win.
Dedira vs Byakuya
Deidra 6/10
Thsi fight is a tricky one for deidra but if he cna stay out of Gaara's reach (which is further than anything Byakya has) he cna stay out of Byakuya's. And unlike Gaara Byakuya doen't have any absolute defsnes to protect hism self from deidras's explsoives. Though mayb ehe has plety of speed. I think those little spirder bombs are fast enough. Nto to mention that Deidra's a pretyt good strategist and could get Byakuya near enoguh to a bomb. If not then he dies.
Deidra vs. Toshiro
Deidra 6/10
Kenshiro would put up agood fight but I thin he would evneutally get tagged. Also possible that he hits the bird Deidr'as flying on and brings Deidra down which is a worst case scenerio for Deidra.
Deidra vs Tosen
Tosen6/10
I really do need to see if his eye things works though it might not matter with Tosen. Though Deidra's little bobms mgiht be unaffected.
Hidan vs Azien
Aizen 9/10
Hidna is really too limited to pose much of a threat to Aizen. He might not be able to permanently kill him but decapitaion is not too hard for him.
Hidan vs Kenpachi
Hidan 9/10
Sorry but Hidna could not have asked for a better match up. Why cause Kenpachi is goign to wait for Hidan to cut him not knowig whats coming. He might have to stab hismelf a coulpe of times but eventually Kenpachi goes down.
Hidan vs Byakuya
Byakuya 7/10
While tis not immpossilbe it simply highly unlikely that hidan is ogign to acutally connect with Byakuya. Though it spossible for Byakuya to hit him with this attack and think he is dead and turn his back, other than that Hidan is toast.
Hidan vs Toshirio
Hidan 6/10
Hidan cna win this barely it really depends on his luck with taggin Toshiro and his ability to dodge his attacks of if he cna nick him he can take it. though it could go either way.
Hidan vs Tosen.
Tosen 8/10
Hidan probaly has no real counter to this Bankai he doens't really strike me as smart enought o figure out what Kenpachi did so I imagine he is done.
Kakuzu vs Aizen
Aizen 7/10
ITs hard to call while Kakuzu is vu.nverable to the illusion his masks might not be. Int he end its too much of longshot to hope he could doge the illusion. However any other sort of aphsyical battle is heavily in his favor.
Kakuzu vs Kenpachi
Kakuzu 9/10
This guy can do everythin Kenpahci cna nd thensome. He would lay was to Kenny and pretty much the rest of the city. Even if Ken hit him he still have four lives to spare.
Kauzu vs Byakuya
Kakuzu 8/10
He can attack Byakuya form everyside with powerful elemetnal attacks while still dodging everything Byakuya has. Hell Byakuya's power was sealed with a mere clothe byt at cat chick he coudl proably do the same with his body coils while murdering him.
Kakuzu vs Toshiro
Kakuzu 9/10
Sorry he has it all.
Kakuzu vs Tosen
Kakuzu 7/10
Evne though he can't see through the illusion he cna still try to lay waste to the area and hope to hit him. Then evne if he gets stabbed he can play possum just like he did with Kakazhi and get up and kill Tosen before he knows it. If not then he is defiently smar t enough to figure out how to disrupt the Technique by grabbign Tsoen after beign impaled.
Damn I jsut typed alot of stuff I'm goignto tkae abreak.
Originally posted by Warmonger
Please Gamabunta would wipe the floor with that oversided Suit of Armor.
Since when was Gamabunta in Akatsuki?
Originally posted by Warmonger
Hell Akatuski atcually takes down POWERFUl gigantic mosnters not some overstuffed Samurai. Diedra could solo that thing.
No one in Akatsuki has taken down a monster that big. Kokujo standing up is as big as a sky scrapper.
Originally posted by Warmonger
The Reitsu thing is not impressive at all. Orochimaru did that as his first Gnejutsu. It wouldn't evne faze anyone in Akatsuki.
That was not genjutsu, it was his muderous intent. Kenpaichi did the samething when he fought ichigo.
Originally posted by WarmongerWell if your going to bring the Old man in then SS chances go up significantly.
Of course he's here, your putting the entire soul soceity against Akatsuki.