Classic ION Vs Thanos w/ Infinity Gauntlet

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
You mean countering with smilies and practically ignoring some statements

and interpreting them in the wrong ways without any sort of evidence

isn't called ignoring and I'm lying ? 😆

You can laugh all you want, but you're still lying even now.

I addressed all your points, and added 3 smilies cause they were called for,
if you'd know what you were claiming, you would laugh too.

I didn't ignore one statement of yours, I was thorough in my response.

You say I had "no sort of evidence" (insert laughing smilie)
yet, you want me to take you serious
when you make fallacious claims like this.
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Anyone who is interested in seeeing me "counter everything with smilies",
"ignoring" his "statements", "misinterpreting" him,
and of course, yall know me, "without any sort of evidence."

Please visit here:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=462043&pagenumber=11

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
As for the crossover being canon just because the handbook
and another site says that the Ultraverse exists in the Marvel Omniverse,

You mean just because TWO Handbooks (2005 Appendix) (2007 Update Glossary)
have the Ultraverse as a Marvel Universe?

You mean just because TWO Official sites (Marvunapp & Marvel.com)
have the Ultraverse as a Marvel Universe?

Oh my bad, you must mean the On Panel evidence,
where clearly Ultraforce/Avengers Arc is published by Marvel Comics,
President Stan lee and Edited by Ralph Maccchio?

If this isn't enough 😂 I can always bring out every individual Avengers bio,
where the Ultraforce/Avengers Arc is referenced, by name.

Do you even understand what makes something Canon or not in Marvel?

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
I don't really see how that suits your point .

I don't expect you to.

I mean your actually trying to argue that the Ultraforce/Avengers Arc is non-canon.

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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
It still counts as an intercompany crossover ,

as seen from both the cover from the crossover ,

aswell as the fact that the comic itself is stated to be published by Malibu Comics .

That's a "fact" huh?

This is from Avengers/Utraforce Arc, the relevant issues in question.

"Avengers/Ultraforce ... Published by Marvel Comics. President Stan Lee, Publisher"

"Editor - Ralph Macchio"

hm

Who should we think is lying?

Marvel or yourself?

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
You bring up the fact that the characters are owned by Marvel ?
That's rather logical since it bought the company and everything in it ,
but that doesn't make it canon to the Marvel comics .

So according to you,

Ultraverse events (specifically Ultraforce/Avengers arc) are non-canon.

hum

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(The Avengers/Ultraforce Arc was the official merging of the Realities on panel)
http://www.marvunapp.com/list/appuv.htm
(bottom paragraph)

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(excerpt from the Official Marvel Handbook 2005 Alternate Universes - Appendix)

"Earth-93060 Ultraverse. Hardcase #1 (1993)"

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(excerpt from Avengers/Ultraforce #1)

"Avengers/Ultraforce ... Published by Marvel Comics. President Stan Lee, Publisher"

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http://www.marvel.com/universe/Infinity_Gems
(second to last paragraph)

"The Infinity Gems were eventually taken by an energy vampire
from an alternate-reality ... In that other Multiverse"

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Here's yet another official Marvel Handbook (2007 Update - Glossary)
also certifying that the Ultraverse is a Universe within the Marvel Omniverse:

"Ultraverse - Alternate Earth (Earth-93060) home to a population of superhumans"
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Meh, perhaps you're right,

and Marvel.com and Marvunnap,

the Marvel Handbooks (Two different issues)

and the On Panel clarifications,

are all wrong. crazy

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Bottom line is that it's stated that Ultraforce is sold by the Malibu Comics while the ones from Marvel are sold by Marvel Comics , thus counting as an intercompany crossover as being obviously shown from the cover of the crossover where both are present .
When you have on panel proof where it's stated that it's canon then we'll talk

nuts4

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
And after reading your counter arguments of my points ,
I've decided that I'm done with you here .

Here are my counters to all your points:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=462043&pagenumber=11

Anyone is free to check out who's building castles in the air.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
You haven't properly adressed either of my points ,
by either repeating what you've just said or just flat out ignoring by either telling me to "read comics" or "I trust Marvel" .
I've proven my points

Yea you sure have:

Your supposed proof for the Ultraverse/Avengers Arc non-canoness was this:

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Ultraforce #1 (1995 , 1 year after being bought by Marvel)

It doesn't say anything about Marvel because you cropped the scan deceptively.

Here's the rest of that section:

"Trademark and Copyright 1995 Marvel Entertainment Group Inc ALL Rights Reserved"

Well, well,

all of a sudden we not only see the Trademark & Copyrights being owned by Marvel,
but we also see that Marvel has ALL it's RIGHTS Reserved.

The rest of the comedy is here:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=462043&pagenumber=11

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
and you obviously can't counter them so I'm just going to stop this discussion .

Very obvious.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=462043&pagenumber=11

Originally posted by Mr Master
If he still doesn't have the power to obliterate all realities in DC,
it wouldn't make a difference I think.

Oh and, no comment on who wins. 🙂

Originally posted by Estacado
The power of Green Lantern Central Battery is limitless also it is called the Hand Of God.

The Oan Power is so powerful that the Monitors fear that the it can be abused to destroy the multiverse.

Originally posted by Estacado
The power of Green Lantern Central Battery is limitless also it is called the Hand Of God.

thanos in a stomp.

ig>>>>glcb

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The Oan Power is so powerful that the Monitors fear that the it can be abused to destroy the multiverse.

If four Gems are omniversal, how come Five gems lose to the Universal merged Eternity/Infinity?

Originally posted by King Kandy
If four Gems are omniversal, how come Five gems lose to the Universal merged Eternity/Infinity?

In a non cannon company cross over. And it wasn't explicit that Omniverse was even what they were talking about.

Originally posted by quanchi112
well lets see the ig gives u control over time,mind,soul,space,reality, and POWER. one has unlimited power while one also unlimited power and lots more. hmm, who wins.

thanos in a stomp.

ig>>>>glcb

Originally posted by Mr Master
That's true.

Glad we agree.

Originally posted by Mr Master
But he stomped everyone before giving up his power.

Not everyone. LT wasn't in that equation...and he lost the gauntlet by becoming eternity. (which in my opinion is kind of a paradox.)

Originally posted by Mr Master
Neither did Thanos.

We can't say that Thanos will now always lose
because he gives up his power After he defeats everyone.

Never said he would always lose...power for power, I see it as a stalemate minus the fact that Kyle had full confidence, while Thanos subconsciously doesn't feel worthy.

Originally posted by Mr Master
He would have to first stomp Ion before giving up his power. (that's how it works)

Not quite. He never stomped Warlock, LT, and lost by becoming eternity.

Originally posted by Mr Master
With the exception of defeating the LT, so could Thanos.

Sounds stalematish, doesn't it? 🙂

Originally posted by Mr Master
Cause he wanted to.

Apparently Thanos gets bored once he stomps everyone.

Ion used his power a lot more wisely.

Originally posted by Mr Master
So did Thanos.

Maybe in a technical sense, since it was subconscious. A silly error cost him the gauntlet. Ion made no mistakes.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Thanos became the 616 Universe = Eternity's heart (core of the Omniverse)

Only the LT has been proven to be above the IG. (on panel & in the bios)

Ion was also part of everything. Not much different in storyline when you consider Spectre told him he could do anything he wanted.

Originally posted by Mr Master
No comment.

None needed ol' chum. As always you debate well, and steer clear of stupidity like "Thanos stomps ION" when anyone with half a brain would know better.

Outside of a technicality of Thanos subconscious...powerwise I feel that they stalemate. Give 2 other characters the gauntlet and the full Oan energy, and they would probably stalemate forever.

Originally posted by Estacado
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You don't know too much about GLs do you????
Let me answer that for you....you have no ****ing idea what you are talking about!
A trained Gl can do everything that the IG can on a lower scale.

they are cannon fodder. they are there to show how powerful the new baddie is. only a handful that are actually badasses.

like the ig on a lower scale, u crack me up.

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Originally posted by Avlon
Glad we agree.

Not everyone. LT wasn't in that equation...and he lost the gauntlet by becoming eternity. (which in my opinion is kind of a paradox.)

Never said he would always lose...power for power, I see it as a stalemate minus the fact that Kyle had full confidence, while Thanos subconsciously doesn't feel worthy.

Not quite. He never stomped Warlock, LT, and lost by becoming eternity.

Sounds stalematish, doesn't it? 🙂

Ion used his power a lot more wisely.

Maybe in a technical sense, since it was subconscious. A silly error cost him the gauntlet. Ion made no mistakes.

Ion was also part of everything. Not much different in storyline when you consider Spectre told him he could do anything he wanted.

None needed ol' chum. As always you debate well, and steer clear of stupidity like "Thanos stomps ION" when anyone with half a brain would know better.

Outside of a technicality of Thanos subconscious...powerwise I feel that they stalemate. Give 2 other characters the gauntlet and the full Oan energy, and they would probably stalemate forever.

Originally posted by quanchi112
yeah i have seen doomsday go through them easier than a knife goes through butter. and i have also seen superboy prime kill thirty with no problem.

they are cannon fodder. they are there to show how powerful the new baddie is. only a handful that are actually badasses.

like the ig on a lower scale, u crack me up.

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Mr Master

You say that you've countered all of my points ? Then let's check up on that :

1.The Ultimate Nullifier subject : I explicitly and logically explained to you why , in neither one of the possibilities involving "turning the attack upon it's bearer" couldn't mean Multiversal power . What did you do ? Not counter anything and repeat what you've just said .

2.The Merging Universes subject : I explained it to you , even using an analogy that the merging of the Universes doesn't mean , in no way , Multiversal power . Yet how did you counter it ? By saying :

Like I said, ridiculous.

Just stick to Comics duke,

instead of extrapolating, and dancing around unrelated theories.

3.The Absolute Omnipotence subject : I showed , using even an example , what the different levels of infinity mean in that scan aswell as explained the fact that if you are absolute omnipotent than you are supreme and at best somebody can do is to match you . Yet what did you do ? You showed the same scans again with the same explination without countering any of my statements . You even flat out stated that you are going to ignore everything and that you are still going to support what you think Marvel wanted to say with the different levels of infinity .

Yet you still have the nerve to come and say to me that you've countered everything I said ? That's pathetic and irritating at the same time .

Honestly , after seeing your Marvel hierarchy thread I really looked forward to talking/debating with you because I thought you're a really smart guy , especially since users like Air Legend and quanchi are on this board which you are superior to undeniably , but frankly I was dissapointed .

As for the canon/non-canon discussion of the Ultraforce/Avengers I've already made my point while you haven't really made yours besides making lenghty , unnecessary posts , with nothing really conclusive . Facts is that on the cover of the crossover both companies are shown , and aswell as the fact that Ultraforce is specifically stated and shown that is published by Malibu Comics from the scans I depicted . You keep bringing up that Marvel has the copyright . That's rather logical since it bought the Malibu Comics , but in no way does it mean that it's canon to the main Marvel storyline .

This is the last post that I'm going to adress to you in this discussion , because I don't think it's worth waisting my time .

Like twisting statements and words like "Universe" into "Multiverse" and "Omniverse" wasn't enough , aswell as using sites as evidence , now you start ignoring logical explinations . So , see you bye

As for the discussion at hand , Ion wins rather easily as I said . He is pretty much Omnipotent , Omniscient and Omnipresent . He could , for example , fight with Thanos while at the same time send another part of himself to erase Thanos from existence in the past before he acquired the Infinity Gauntlet or even before he was born . Not that would be necessary since even without doing this , in a straight up fight he would still win.

I'm not saying that Ion wins but for f*cks sake quanchi think he only has unlimited power that shows that he knows nothing about Gls or Ion as you said Ion was Omnipotent ,omnipresent and omniscient.I bet quan thinks that a GL is a high level energy manipulator while they can do anything they want like teleport ,stop time ,use mindcontrol,rewrite dna,absorbs souls into their rings,thravel through black holes the only thing they need is will power and Kyle is in the top 3 GLs with unlimited power will put up a good fight against Thanos.

Originally posted by Estacado
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Go read up on GLs unless you know something about them don't even post seriously your comic knowldege on DC is so poor it's pathetic.

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mini igs i still think thats hilarious.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
As for the discussion at hand , Ion wins rather easily as I said . He is pretty much Omnipotent , Omniscient and Omnipresent . He could , for example , fight with Thanos while at the same time send another part of himself to erase Thanos from existence in the past before he acquired the Infinity Gauntlet or even before he was born . Not that would be necessary since even without doing this , in a straight up fight he would still win.

ion has no chance.