Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Mr MasterIt's no point in quoting you because many of your responses pretty much ignore everything I say ,
This is a lie.
Every single point you brought up, was addressed.
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
by using smilies and try to end the subject when you see that you cannot win .
Another lie.
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
A discussion implies countering every point not only the ones that you can ,
Dude, save the sanctimonious waffle, and stick to debating.
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
so if you do that again I'll proced in doing the same .
You would have to Read a Comic book if you wanna copycat my moves.
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
1.Establishing if the Ultraforce/Avengers crossover is canon .
There's nothing to establish.
Ultraverse is a Universe located in a Multiverse located in the Marvel Omniverse.
(The Avengers/Ultraforce Arc was the official merging of the Realities on panel)
http://www.marvunapp.com/list/appuv.htm
(bottom paragraph)
Is this Officially sponsored Marvel Company site lying?
This is the Appendix to ALL the OTHER UniverseS in Marvel outside the 616 Reality:
(full page from the Marvel Handbook 2005 - Alternate Universes)
(highlighted excerpt from the same page)
"Earth-93060 Ultraverse. Hardcase #1 (1993)"
Well, not only is it Canon,
but apparently it's ENTIRE History is Canon to Marvel.
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It should end right there, but let's entertain your mammoth post shall we.
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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
First of all , that cover proves nothing especially since Malibu Comics is also present on the cover , indicating an intercompany crossoverJust because the company that is Malibu Comics was purchased by Marvel Comics does in no way make that crossover canon .
(The Avengers/Ultraforce Arc was the official merging of the Realities on panel)
http://www.marvunapp.com/list/appuv.htm
(bottom paragraph)
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Want more ? Okay .
"more?"
Something, anything first, will do.
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
You said that the instant Malibu Comics was bought by Marvel comics it was sold under the title of Marvel ?Let's analyze that shall we ? Malibu Comics was purchased in 1994 by Marvel comics .
Ultraforce #1 (1995 , 1 year after being bought by Marvel)
Is this how you analyze? By carefully cropping scans to suit your argument?
lol.
Here's the rest of that scan homie:
"Trademark and Copyright 1995 Marvel Entertainment Group Inc ALL Rights Reserved"
Nice try. (Did you really think you'd get away with that?)
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Ultraforce #6 (1996 , 2 years after being bought by Marvel)Ultraforce #15 (1996 December , 2 years after being bought by Marvel)
Pulling straws in vain dude.
This is from the Avengers/Utraforce Arc, the relevant issues in question.
"Avengers/Ultraforce ... Published by Marvel Comics. President Stan Lee, Publisher"
"Editor - Ralph Macchio" (do you know who this is?)
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Not to mention that there are several instances in DC where the company ownes others but in no way does it make it canon .
Inconsequential what happens over at DC concerning Marvel.
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Again , this is just my first impression ,
That's the problem.
Which is why I told you to Read Comics then debate.
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
I never really said that it isn't canon , but al the proof seems to show that it isn't .
hum
(The Avengers/Ultraforce Arc was the official merging of the Realities on panel)
http://www.marvunapp.com/list/appuv.htm
(bottom paragraph)
(excerpt from the Official Marvel Handbook 2005 Alternate Universes)
"Earth-93060 Ultraverse. Hardcase #1 (1993)"
(excerpt from Avengers/Ultraforce #1)
"Avengers/Ultraforce ... Published by Marvel Comics. President Stan Lee, Publisher"
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Infinity_Gems
(second to last paragraph)
"The Infinity Gems were eventually taken by an energy vampire
from an alternate-reality ... In that other Multiverse"
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Meh, perhaps you're right,
and Marvel.com, Marvunnap, the Marvel Handbooks
and the On Panel clarifications, are all wrong.
That makes sense. crazy
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
So until I'll read it when you show me it's canon . Until then ..
"until?"
Just look above dude, "until" has arrived.
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Points and scans from this crossover - Nullified .The Ultimate Nullifier example .
http://img106.imageshack.us/my.php?image=igvsunoz6.jpg
In this scan it is stated that Quasar is concentrating not to make the sphere of nullification grow and concentrate on the single individual , Magus . Thus , the power output of the Ultimate Nullifier isn't Multiversal or even Universal for that matter . Afterwards , it is stated that he turned the UN upon it's bearer , which even if Magus overpowered the energies that Quasar used with the UN , it still doesn't mean it still doesn't prove Multiversal power , as stated by Quasar himself that he focuses on a single individual . But this is not the case because it is stated that he turned the weapon upon it's bearer , which could either mean that he controlled those energies (which were focused on a single person and not on a Multiverse or Universe) or just teleport Quasar in front of them , in neither of the possible cases proving that the Infinity Gauntlet is Multiversal .
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Point nullified .
"Point nullified?"
In one's own mind one is knows all, but let's return to reality for now.
You didn't make any point of consequence.
You're just speculating away because you know little if anything about the UN.
The UN does NOT have different levels of power (I challenge you to prove that)
The UN does one thing, it nullifies Time & Space,
whether the target is a single person, or the target is a Multiverse,
the SAME result is achieved ... Nullification of Time & Space.
The scale of nullification can be tweaked, but not the energies that perform the nullification.
So again, you haven't disproved anything.
IG Magus still pwnd the Energies of the UN.
The Energies of the UN can erase Time & Space across a Multiverse.
or Time & Space across a single body.
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
You keep pointing out that he merged Universes .
Actually that's a Marvel Comic book arc called Infinity War
that claims that by illustrating it On Panel in their Comic Books.
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Well then , let's use an example to prove the power needed to merge this Universes .
I rather just use the Marvel Comic books instead of some irrelevant "example"
In fact, your suggestion is ridiculous.
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Let's say there is a bucket of water (representating the Multiverse) and a kid , who can't lift that bucket . Now the water contained in that bucket is used to fill many glasses (signifying the Universes withing a Multiverse).If the kid picks up a glass (which he can lift , signifying the Universe) ) and turns it in another glass of water , thus merging the water within the two glasses , does this mean he has Multiversal power ? No . Does this mean that he has the power to lift a glass (Universal) and turn it into another ? Yes .
Like I said, ridiculous.
Just stick to Comics duke,
instead of extrapolating, and dancing around unrelated theories.
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
As pointed out in this example aswell as the actual comic one ,
he used Universal power to merge the Universes , not Multiversal .
Uh-huh,
you're saying that Magus used Universal power, to control THREE UniverseS,
and MERGE Two of them, one of which was the 616 Universe? (the core of the Omniverse)
I see. greennuts
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Point Nullified .
So far, all of yours have been.
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
You keep bringing up the fact that he is stated to be "Absolute Omnipotent"
You mean Marvel, the Co. that owns Marvel Comics certified this in their official site:
(Infinity Gauntlet)
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Infinity_Gauntlet_%28item%29
Powers:
"Absolute Omnipotence when the Gems are used altogether"
Email Marvel if don't like it.
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
and that he declared himself the supreme being in all Universes .
That's how Marvel the Co. making these Comics illustrated that scenerio.
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
As I pointed out ,
Unsupported opinions?
What about them?
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Absolute Omnipotence would mean total control over everything that exists , thus nobody can/should/would be stronger than him , when in fact , Living Tribunal is stronger than him .So you have Absolute power over anything yet you are weaker than someone ? No . If that would be the case , the maximum somebody would be able to pull out would be stalemate him if they , in return , would be Omnipotent .
Inconsequential.
Marvel >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your unsupported opinions and/or logic.
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Now you bring up the different degrees of "infinity" that you say Marvel supposdley uses you say . Now why exactly would you completly ignore my explination of what that scans say , and reply in your specific way ? It's a rather logical explination which doesn't contradict anything , but you still keep going with thinking that there are "different levels of infinity" which itself is laughable as a concept . Here's the explination I posted : " Actually this explination is rather logical if you have the capacity to comprehend it . Here , I'll explain it to you how I did with somebody else who used this .
I could care less for you divine "logic"
The only thing I comprehend concerning Marvel Comics,
is what Marvel Comics state and illustrate.
That being:
Artistic On Panel depictions with character statements,
Bios that correspond with the on panel scenerios,
Official Marvel sites that also correspond (Marvel.com and Marvunapp)
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Consider a character that has infinite control over Electromagnetism , and also consider a character who has infinite control over Gravity . Now , consider another character who has infinite control over all four fudnamental forces , Electromagnetism , Gravity , Strong Nuclear Force and Weak Nuclear Force . The powers of the first 2 characters , infinite as they are , are contained within the 3rd power , who is thus stronger ." Nothing irrational with it . But yet you ignore it .
And I'll ignore it again.
This is all that matters to me concerning Marvel:
Kubik explains,
"Both Sets are Infinite, and yet the Set of Whole Numbers contains BOTH Subsets,
and is therefore TWICE as Large as either Subset Alone"
Kubik finishes,
"Thus are demonstrated TWO LEVELS of Infinity,
there are of course, an INFINITE number MORE"
As does this:
Dr Strange on Infinity:
"the very Concept of Infinity is relative,
Numbers are Infinite, so are odd Numbers, yet by definition,
there are Twice as many Numbers as there are odd Numbers ...
One Infinity is included within a larger Infinity"
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Marvel >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whatever you have to say.
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Point nullified .
Delusions can be blissful.
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
As somebody else already pointed out , you keep twisting statements made by characters .
You mean the cat who said, Asgard is a Universe?
I can see how you would partner with such.
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
You say that them saying "Universe" actually reffers to the "Omniverse" and things of that sort with no actual evidence to stand for you . I'm really tired of this and if you continue doing so I'll stop discussing with you .
dontgetit
It's not always that the term "The Universe" signifies the entire Marvel Reality,
but sometimes it does.
The context of the story is what tells us.
The Marvel Universe is an Omniverse:
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Marvel_Universe
"The Marvel Universe Although considered the “prime reality”
in which events of universal significance occur,
(and, indeed, Megauniversal and/or Omniuniversal significance),
this reality is designated as number 616 (thus, “Earth-616”)
to differentiate it among the infinite numbers of alternate realities.
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
And another thing . Stop using Marvel.com as evidence because it makes you look really bad .
I have advice too.
Read a Comic book, then come back.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Two Thumbs waaaaaaaaaaaaaay up.
For a post that just went waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay down.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You said so eloquently what I have been saying FOREVER about The IG and the UN. Bravo.
I totaly agree.
It is the same thing you've been saying.
I believe the term is:
"gobbledygook" ... due to intransigence.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
He'll prolly post some little crazy smiley.
He'll do that when he has no counter.
Just pretend as if you are crazy and hard headed.
Becuz you won't bow down to his " wisdom".
Glad you enjoy posting gibberish of this sort,
all can see how I do my thing, (debate thoroughly)
and who's the spiteful grudge filled hater spewing LIES.
If you'd just stick to posting ignorant ideas it wouldn't be as bad.
But you're a LIAR, and that's despise in any corner of the world.
Originally posted by Mr Master
For a post that just went waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay down.I totaly agree.
It is the same thing you've been saying.
I believe the term is:
"gobbledygook" ... due to intransigence.
Glad you enjoy posting gibberish of this sort,
all can see how I do my thing, (debate thoroughly)
and who's the spiteful grudge filled hater spewing LIES.
If you'd just stick to posting ignorant ideas it wouldn't be as bad.
But you're a LIAR, and that's despise in any corner of the world.
You have been reported. I'm tired of you. and you did nothing but get diareah at the keyboard and think you have did something. All I smell is ish.
Originally posted by Captain REX
Mr. Master, I'm giving you a warning for your needless trolling of Nvr.
Needlessly?
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
He'll prolly post some little crazy smiley.He'll do that when he has no counter.
Just pretend as if you are crazy and hard headed.
Becuz you won't bow down to his " wisdom".
This ^^^ is what I responded to.
And this, and much worse than this,
has been going on for quite a while if you hadn't noticed.
Do you want me to play the psycho,
and find you 20 quotes where Nvr is flagrantly reviling me?
In fact, the cat just yesterday stated how he enjoys this nonsense he instigates:
I posted this in response to another member:
Originally posted by Mr Master
I'm here to talk about Marvel Comics, (been doing it for a hot minute)
every serious post is dealt with accordingly (with seriousness & respect)Posts that revile others or use snide remarks and an irritating condescending sarcasm,
are dealt with accordingly aswell (without mercy)I dislike cats that enter threads where serious minded members are having discussions important to them, just to wiggle in the middle and become this overbearing thorn in eveyone's side.
I aint gonna name anyone, but don't include me in a party
when I'm just attacking back out of frustration.I mean dogs, I'm human ... enough is enough, at some point we explode.
Originally posted by Mr Master
We all have our boiling points, no one should be displaying pretentiousness around here."We're all part of the same hypocrisy senator" (from Godfather pt.2)
This was his ultimate response to how I felt:
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
But it's so much fun.You can't tell me you don't go "OOOOOOOOOOOH nver gets on my damned nerves.
I'm going to own him""
And then all charged and proceed to get diareah at your image link button.
It's all here if you wanna see it's context for yourself:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=461847&pagenumber=6
That warning should be taken back, I'm insulted by it.
I dedicate alot of my time to this forum, and I've contributed alot to it aswell.
It would be very unfair for you to keep that flag on my name when as you can see with proof, this cat makes this ill behaviour happen, always has, I'm the one that's fed up, so nowadays nothing he says is of any consequence to me.
Had I reported him all those times before he'd would've been banned last year.
This garbage has been going on for many Months, many.
I'm a serious debater, this is meaningful to me, all of it,
(well concerning Marvel Cosmics mostly)
my Thread attests to this Fact:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f95/t425758.html
I don't appreciate joining a ban list for defending myself against an individual that actually bragged about how he enjoys posting belligerently just to rouse my anger.
Am I lying?
Nah, you Read it yourself.
Originally posted by Captain REX
You've been baiting him since he was allowed back on the boards, and I'm tired of it.
I'll pull out the 20, and that's only this Month. stoned
Originally posted by Captain REX
Now, please return to the topic. Thank you.
As it's always been my objective.
But yea, from now when I'm belittled and insulted, I'll just press the red X.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Needlessly?This ^^^ is what I responded to.
And this, and much worse than this,
has been going on for quite a while if you hadn't noticed.Do you want me to play the psycho,
and find you 20 quotes where Nvr is flagrantly reviling me?[B]In fact
, the cat just yesterday stated how he enjoys this nonsense he instigates:I posted this in response to another member:
This was his ultimate response to how I felt:
It's all here if you wanna see it's context for yourself:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=461847&pagenumber=6That warning should be taken back, I'm insulted by it.
I dedicate alot of my time to this forum, and I've contributed alot to it aswell.
It would be very unfair for you to keep that flag on my name when as you can see with proof, this cat makes this ill behaviour happen, always has, I'm the one that's fed up, so nowadays nothing he says is of any consequence to me.
Had I reported him all those times before he'd would've been banned last year.This garbage has been going on for many Months, many.
I'm a serious debater, this is meaningful to me, all of it,
(well concerning Marvel Cosmics mostly)my Thread attests to this Fact:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f95/t425758.html
I don't appreciate joining a ban list for defending myself against an individual that actually bragged about how he enjoys posting belligerently just to rouse my anger.
Am I lying?
Nah, you Read it yourself.
I'll pull out the 20, and that's only this Month. stoned
As it's always been my objective.
But yea, from now when I'm belittled and insulted, I'll just press the red X. [/B]
You forgot to mention how you take my perceptions and call me a liar. I call that Trolling. I haven't called you anything.
Originally posted by Captain REX😉
Responding to my warning in-thread is not staying on topic, hence why I said it in advance.Quanchi is right.
i do this for fun. i dont come here to try to prove how superior my intellect is to anyones. i like dissenting opinions becuz i get a chance to debate with them. not everyone shares the same viewpoints and thank God for that. pretty boring if we all agreed.
bottom line is these are fictitious characters and are all subject to be retconned into being more and less powerful than previously shown.
lets all just have some fun.
🙂
Originally posted by quanchi112
😉i do this for fun. i dont come here to try to prove how superior my intellect is to anyones. i like dissenting opinions becuz i get a chance to debate with them. not everyone shares the same viewpoints and thank God for that. pretty boring if we all agreed.
bottom line is these are fictitious characters and are all subject to be retconned into being more and less powerful than previously shown.
lets all just have some fun.
🙂
I always have fun. Doin that since I joined. Its just a comic. Win, lose or draw.
