Originally posted by Sandai Kitetsu
What does a unrealistic scenerio featuring a clone have to do with this?IRL, Stamina is tied to strength. . .I do amateur boxing, some wrestling, and jogg before. . .And I can vouche for that.
So do I, I'm a mixed martial artist, and, trust me, I roll plenty of times.
Stamina doesn't have to do with strength. You may be able to roll for only half the time, but after that half, your strength is the same as it is for the normal guy rolling the entire time.
Originally posted by Sandai KitetsuIf you have the capacity to lift a train car, then run until you're fatigued, you still have the capactiy to lift a train car, but not the energy.
What does a unrealistic scenerio featuring a clone have to do with this?IRL, Stamina is tied to strength. . .I do amateur boxing, some wrestling, and jogg before. . .And I can vouche for that.
Furthermore, you could have the stamina of a proffesional athlete and be well rested, or have the stamina of a three year old and be well rested. Under the assumption you had the same physical stats no matter which level of stamina you have (magic, as Soljer already mentioned), you could run at the same speed. Or, for that matter, lift just as heavy weights. You couldn't do it for as long, but you could do it.
So, even if you magically decrease a person's stamina, their strength doesn't change, and they could have just as much energy to start. Stamina is about time, not level of energy.
Originally posted by stormfront
yes... it does.endure
to put up with:bear, stand for,suffer, sustain, take, tolerate, withstand. here is an idioms: take it, take it lying down.
Your point? Enduring has nothing to do with strength.
A small scrappy mexican may be able to take a bat to the head better than a professional power lifter.
They are totally different 'statistics.'
and, all you stipulated in the original post was that Storm's strength was halved.
As another put it - a single stat decrease. As if by magic.
Originally posted by Soljer
So do I, I'm a mixed martial artist, and, trust me, I roll plenty of times.Stamina doesn't have to do with strength. You may be able to roll for only half the time, but after that half, your strength is the same as it is for the normal guy rolling the entire time.
No, it isn't, less stamina= less strength.
Seriously, that's basic athleticism. if your not performing as well as your were when you were in your peak. Then your being effected, that's common sense.
Originally posted by SnazzySmurph
If you have the capacity to lift a train car, then run until you're fatigued, you still have the capactiy to lift a train car, but not the energy.Furthermore, you could have the stamina of a proffesional athlete and be well rested, or have the stamina of a three year old and be well rested. Under the assumption you had the same physical stats no matter which level of stamina you have (magic, as Soljer already mentioned), you could run at the same speed. Or, for that matter, lift just as heavy weights. You couldn't do it for as long, but you could do it.
So, even if you magically decrease a person's stamina, their strength doesn't change, and they could have just as much energy to start. Stamina is about time, not level of energy.
Originally posted by SnazzySmurph
If you have the capacity to lift a train car, then run until you're fatigued, you still have the capactiy to lift a train car, but not the energy.
Of course, you do, but a change in your stamina clearly augmented your strength. I was not talking long term, unless said change in stamina is.
Originally posted by SnazzySmurph
Furthermore, you could have the stamina of a proffesional athlete and be well rested, or have the stamina of a three year old and be well rested. Under the assumption you had the same physical stats no matter which level of stamina you have (magic, as Soljer already mentioned), you could run at the same speed. Or, for that matter, lift just as heavy weights. You couldn't do it for as long, but you could do it.
No, you can't, do you know what dead tired is? Your telling me if your dead tired, and can barel stand. You will be able to lift your maximum weight, despite the fact you can barely hold your own weight?
Originally posted by SnazzySmurph
So, even if you magically decrease a person's stamina, their strength doesn't change, and they could have just as much energy to start. Stamina is about time, not level of energy.
Originally posted by Soljer
Your point? Enduring has nothing to do with strength.A small scrappy mexican may be able to take a bat to the head better than a professional power lifter.
They are totally different 'statistics.'
and, all you stipulated in the original post was that Storm's strength was halved.
As another put it - a single stat decrease. As if by magic.
endurance is how much you can take. the clorms cant take much.
Originally posted by stormfront
endurance is how much you can take. the clorms cant take much.
Not according to your original post. According to your original post, they couldn't dish out as much - but they could take JUST as much as Storm.
To Sandai Kitetsu - would you mind taking this discussion to PM with myself or Smurph? Or the off topic thread? Because, really, you're way off topic. We already agreed that a decrease in strength wouldn't affect endurance or stamina, you're simply arguing the reverse isn't true - which doesn't matter at all for this thread.
Physical or mental strength to resist fatigue and tiredness. Someone with good stamina, or hardship; endurance
www.news.bbc.co.uk/sportacademy/bsp/hi/swimming/jargon_guide/html/default.stm
enduring strength and energy
www.wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
Originally posted by SoljerTo Sandai Kitetsu - would you mind taking this discussion to PM with myself or Smurph? Or the off topic thread? Because, really, you're way off topic. We already agreed that a decrease in strength wouldn't affect endurance or stamina, you're simply arguing the reverse isn't true - which doesn't matter at all for this thread.
How is off topic, were discussing storms stamina and strength. Please, stop coping out.
Originally posted by Sandai KitetsuThat's not the point.
Of course, you do, but a change in your stamina clearly changed your strength. I was not talking long term, unless said change is.
If Spider-man is normally a Class 25, when he's exhausted, he's still a class 25. Furthermore, if you're talking stamina, you have to be talking long term, because stamina is about time, not amount of energy.
Originally posted by Sandai KitetsuI'd have the capacity, perhaps not the energy. Not that it matters, because stamina is not about level of energy, it's about time. What if we used the word endurance instead of stamina?
No, you can't, do you know what dead tired is? Your telling me if your dead tired, you will be able to lift the same weight?
Originally posted by Sandai KitetsuStamina refers to how long you can last, whereas strength refers to your lifting capacity. No correlation.
Again, yes it does.
Originally posted by Sandai Kitetsu
Physical or mental strength to resist fatigue and tiredness. Someone with good stamina, or hardship; endurance
www.news.bbc.co.uk/sportacademy/bsp/hi/swimming/jargon_guide/html/default.stmenduring strength and energy
www.wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwnHow is off topic, were discussing storms stamina and strength. Please, stop coping out.
Im not copping out - Storm's stamina isn't affected here - her strength is.
You're arguing that decreasing her stamina would decrease her strength. It has no bearing on the thread, because her stamina WASN'T decreased - her strength was.
And I even offered to keep the argument up with you in PM or another thread. It just really doesn't matter as far as this one is concerned.
Originally posted by SnazzySmurph
That's not the point.If Spider-man is normally a Class 25, when he's exhausted, he's still a class 25. Furthermore, if you're talking stamina, you have to be talking long term, because stamina is about time, not amount of energy.
Originally posted by SnazzySmurph
I'd have the capacity, perhaps not the energy. Not that it matters, because stamina is not about level of energy, it's about time. What if we used the word endurance instead of stamina?
I just posted definitions for stamina. Plus, when you use stregth certain things correlate to endurance I.e. bracing.
Originally posted by SnazzySmurph
Stamina refers to how long you can last, whereas strength refers to your lifting capacity. No correlation.
Because the definitions are different, wow. seriously, do you work out?
Trying lifting the maximum you can lift when you can barely stand.
Originally posted by SnazzySmurph
If Spider-man is normally a Class 25, when he's exhausted, he's still a class 25.
Yeah he's still a class 25. He just can't lift 25 tons.
Makes sense 😐
Originally posted by SnazzySmurph
Furthermore, if you're talking stamina, you have to be talking long term, because stamina is about time, not amount of energy.
Stamina is about how long you have energy to do anything.
Originally posted by SnazzySmurph
I'd have the capacity, perhaps not the energy. Not that it matters, because stamina is not about level of energy, it's about time. What if we used the word endurance instead of stamina?
How could you have the capacity to do something if you simultaneously lacked the ability to do it?
Originally posted by Soljer
Im not copping out - Storm's stamina isn't affected here - her strength is..
Which relates to her stamina, unless this is some magic comic where her strength is exclusive from her stamina.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Stamina is about how long you have energy to do anything.How could you have the capacity to do something if you simultaneously lacked the ability to do it?
The epicness of this thread is crazy.
Originally posted by Sandai Kitetsu
Which relates to her stamina, unless this is some magic comic where her strength is exclusive from her stamina.
This entire time, you've argued that stamina affects strength, NOT that strength affects stamina.
What you're arguing has no bearing on the thread.
For that matter, it IS a magical decrease in her strength.
Originally posted by Soljer
This entire time, you've argued that stamina affects strength, NOT that strength affects stamina.What you're arguing has no bearing on the thread.
For that matter, it IS a magical decrease in her strength.
If there's a chane in stamina, chances are that strength is involved. If this is some magic comic, then I'll concede and back off.