I do not like humans.

Originally posted by Czarina_Czarina
I had a guy (white) tell me that he was with a dark black lady, and she had her baby with her (not his baby, her husband and her), and they were on some sort of work (nothing romantic). Well, he had to stop at an area in which the folks there just stared at them both, and the air was thick (they couldn't see the baby, just that she was holding one), and he said that the thought there was that he was her husband and while they ate, he said he was even thinking he was her husband b/c the thoughts about their situation was just that strong, careful about the mind of men, sometimes it's good and sometimes it's false. each of us has to be stronger then the group mind, esp. if it's out of jealousy, hate, envy, bitterness, and lastly, false assumptions and negativity, each of us has to do that.

I forgot to mention this...after he told me that story of feeling as if he was that lady's husband, I asked him "do you see how that works?" a person can drive another BATTY, even a group that doesn't like another, if he could for one second, start to take on their thoughts of himself, imagine what else they could do?

Re-listen to the video on liberty, esp. the part that talks about the BRAIN/MIND:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCVlfTIOwaM

All an empath could say is if they felt, sad, happy, angry, ...etc.

Originally posted by debbiejo
All an empath could say is if they felt, sad, happy, angry, ...etc.

Well, ok.

Originally posted by Darth_Erebus2
Not even. It's only "nature" when it's animals or humans/animals. People have been waging war ever since our beginning but suddenly in the last 40 or so years it's suddenly "wrong". War and killing each other is "nature" for humans also.

...that made no sense.

First of all, where did you come up with this thing that war's only been considered 'wrong' in the past 40 years?

Originally posted by General G
Some of the posts here have been very well thought out which is more than I thought I would get, so I appreciate it. When I have more time I will comment on them.

But before I go, I have to clear this up, my last line was not referring to me committing suicide, just that my rant for the time was over.

I look forward to it. 😄

War has been wrong for only forty years? Damn, I must have missed something. The Civil War must not have contributed to Abe Lincoln's low popularity rating...

Czarina, really, can you not post off-topic rants? I understand the aims, but I must remind you, you should just make a LiveJournal...

Well, even in Middle Ages Church made some effort to stop the wars in Europe- one of the reasons for Crusades. But indeed, while the 40 years statement is very inaccurate, wars weren`t considered immoral for the most of the history of humankind- the main way for ruler to be considered great was victory in war.

Originally posted by General G
Please read all before posting, this is my first visit, let alone post in here, this may get closed, but what do I care, I got to say it.

Back on topic:

I hate people and our arrogant ways, that just because we can blow each other up with nuclear weapons and kill each other with guns, we are therefore better than any other species and have the right no totally wipe them out.

On average, about 1 species goes extinct every 18 minutes, whether that is a particular plant or bacteria, or a large mammal (most recent was a type of dolphin just a few weeks ago) which means that with all of the species on Earth, in just 300 years, there will be NO more species.

I personally think that animals lives are far above the value of a humans and that the next species to go extinct or endangered should be well...us. We are way too overpopulated too spread out, and because we are so arrogant, we think that it doesn’t matter what we do to anything else. With the amount of trees and forests we are cutting down each year (damn, each day for crying out loud) is disgusting and is a surprise that anything can still live in those areas.

I remember a bit ago a man shot a hunter dead because the hunter was about to kill a Rhino, and he got extremely ridiculed for it and was sent to jail. But I still remember what he said before he did, he said that if someone was robbing a bank and ran out with a bag of money (basically a bag of paper) and he shot that man dead, he would be praised, perhaps even rewarded, and to see that one of our endangered animals, a living, breathing animal has less value than a silly bag of paper just disgusts me.

And we are not stopping, the Amur Leopard has less than 40 left in the wild, only six of those are females, we pushed them to extinction, I guarantee within the next couple years, there will be no more. They get so little attention because they live in the same area as the Siberian (Amur) tigers which is the Amur River Valley in Russia.

The Dusky Seaside Sparrow…it took us about 118 years to drive them to extinction after we first found them. They went extinct in 1990. The person that took care of the very last Dusky Seaside Sparrow had this to say, "The last member of the rarest species known to us. He became blind in one eye, became old for a sparrow, and yet he persisted as if he knew his sole task was to sustain the bloodline as long as possible., I wondered if he felt sorrow or excruciating panic at the thought of his oneness. Orange Band, blind in one eye, old and alone, was gone.” Orange Band was the name of the Sparrow.

I personally wouldn’t mind the removal of humans from this planet, we do nothing good.

Anyways, I am done now.

If lions and bears had consciousness, I dont think they would worry about pushing humanity to extinction. Who cares about some stick looking bug in the rain forest nearing extinction? We need the trees in that forest, if Nature wanted them to thrive against humanity, it would ahve equipped it with some type of defense

I hate people and our arrogant ways, that just because we can blow each other up with nuclear weapons and kill each other with guns, we are therefore better than any other species and have the right no totally wipe them out.

On average, about 1 species goes extinct every 18 minutes, whether that is a particular plant or bacteria, or a large mammal (most recent was a type of dolphin just a few weeks ago) which means that with all of the species on Earth, in just 300 years, there will be NO more species.

I personally think that animals lives are far above the value of a humans and that the next species to go extinct or endangered should be well...us. We are way too overpopulated too spread out, and because we are so arrogant, we think that it doesn’t matter what we do to anything else. With the amount of trees and forests we are cutting down each year (damn, each day for crying out loud) is disgusting and is a surprise that anything can still live in those areas.

I remember a bit ago a man shot a hunter dead because the hunter was about to kill a Rhino, and he got extremely ridiculed for it and was sent to jail. But I still remember what he said before he did, he said that if someone was robbing a bank and ran out with a bag of money (basically a bag of paper) and he shot that man dead, he would be praised, perhaps even rewarded, and to see that one of our endangered animals, a living, breathing animal has less value than a silly bag of paper just disgusts me.

And we are not stopping, the Amur Leopard has less than 40 left in the wild, only six of those are females, we pushed them to extinction, I guarantee within the next couple years, there will be no more. They get so little attention because they live in the same area as the Siberian (Amur) tigers which is the Amur River Valley in Russia.

The Dusky Seaside Sparrow…it took us about 118 years to drive them to extinction after we first found them. They went extinct in 1990. The person that took care of the very last Dusky Seaside Sparrow had this to say, "The last member of the rarest species known to us. He became blind in one eye, became old for a sparrow, and yet he persisted as if he knew his sole task was to sustain the bloodline as long as possible., I wondered if he felt sorrow or excruciating panic at the thought of his oneness. Orange Band, blind in one eye, old and alone, was gone.” Orange Band was the name of the Sparrow.

i actually have to say that i agree with most of what you're saying here. its despicable that we think we own the planet just cause we have opposible thumbs and can recite the alphabet. and it's stupid that the animals have to suffer for it.

Who cares about some stick looking bug in the rain forest nearing extinction? We need the trees in that forest, if Nature wanted them to thrive against humanity, it would ahve equipped it with some type of defense

nature did equip it, but humans, being the intellectual beings that we are, invented chain saws and pesticides which we proceeded to spray all over the place. Nature's way of fighting back is the numerous diseases that have popped up out of no where, and that we can't seem to find a cure for, but we try and come up with billions of medications, which no one would need if we didn't cut down so many forests in the first place.

I personally wouldn’t mind the removal of humans from this planet, we do nothing good.

i disagree with you there. many try to do the right thing, and that's something. they can stay here, and the rest'll move to mars.

We should remember that nature is not a person. And does not actively fight back.

arsonists are humans, right?

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f11/t462479.html

Originally posted by Robtard
You should really have more sense... the thread starter didn't pose his stance on "humanity is destructive, 'we' should rethink our views", which is true. He posed his stance on "humanity is horrible; I'd be better if 'we' all died".

So, if he really thinks that, then lead by example, kill 'yourself' and make the world just a little bit better.

Got abit ahead of myself in my own thoughts, but after a re-read, I must admit you're right. Sorry about the rant!

Originally posted by Czarina_Czarina
arsonists are humans, right?

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f11/t462479.html

http://piv.pivpiv.dk/

Originally posted by Pandemoniac
Got abit ahead of myself in my own thoughts, but after a re-read, I must admit you're right. Sorry about the rant!

No worries, it happens to all of us (except Robtard, of course).

Originally posted by allofyousuckkk
The hunter should have gone to jail, he had no right to kill another man. He could have reported him and the authorities would have dealt with it.

But then there is another less Rhino, and we can deal with losing a few humans, rhinos can’t.

Originally posted by Bicnarok
I can see your point, Humans are, like Mr Smith said, like a cancer on the earth.

Species came and went BEFORE humans were here, comets smashed up our planet and wiped more creatures out than we ever did. If no species ever died out then it would be a very full world after all.

Yes, that is very close to my point, although that is not where I got it from.

Yes they did, in a natural way, we are killing them in unnatural ways, we are shooting them, destroying where they live unmercifully. If they were still going endangered and extinct in a natural manner, I would not have wrote this.

Originally posted by dadudemon
We are in one of the fastest extinction rates in all of Earth's history. Where did you get the stat on a species going extinct every 18 minutes?

I must start off with the fact that I really enjoyed your post, it was a nice read and I actually had trouble commenting on some of it.

From a lecture I attended.

Originally posted by dadudemon
However, your math on this interests me.

They liberally estimate between 3 million to 100 million species and realistically estimate between 5 and 20 million. http://canadianbiodiversity.mcgill.ca/english/species/index.htm

Anyway, by your math...all species will die in 300 years. Let me show you math with your numbers.

First, there are 365.25 days in the average year. There are 24 hours in each of those days. There are 60 minutes in each of those hours soooo...you need to find out how many minutes are in the average year.

365.25*24*60=525960

Divide that number by 18 to find out how many species will die in the average year.

525960/18=29220

multiply that number by 300 to see how many species will die in 300 years

29220*300=8766000

That number falls very well in between 5 million and 20 million-the current realistic estimate of how many species that are on earth.

I basically wanted to find an even number of years to figure it out so that it makes it more real to more people, and I wanted to make sure it fell into the estimated number of species.

Originally posted by dadudemon
One thing that you, General G, are not taking into consideration is that fact that in the next few decades, we will completely unlock all of the secrets of organism genes. We will be able to completely create a species that is extinct from a saved copy of their entire genetic sequence. That is NOT science fiction. Even if we cause all species to die out in the next 300 years, we can bring all of them back with no problem and colonize those on another planet...even a terraformed planet.

But those animals will basically be clones of those older animals, and there are obvious problems with that. And Terraforming will be a long time coming, we are as far as I am aware nowhere near being able to terraform another planet.

Originally posted by inimalist
so, if you are against the killing of bacteria...

what do you do when you get sick? stop your white blood cells for fear of violating the inalienable rights of the microrganisms?

I personally let my body fight off any bacteria that enters my body.

Originally posted by BackFire
Don't worry. Humanity will destroy itself at some point. Only a matter of time.

I know, I just don’t see why we have to do whatever we can to kill species off while we are here.

Originally posted by vivando-loca
i disagree with you there. many try to do the right thing, and that's something. they can stay here, and the rest'll move to mars.

And I actually agree with you there, many people do try to do the right thing, I know many. I should have reworded it. It was more of a general thing.

Originally posted by General G
es they did, in a natural way, we are killing them in unnatural ways, we are shooting them, destroying where they live unmercifully. If they were still going endangered and extinct in a natural manner, I would not have wrote this.

One could also argue that the actions of man are natural; we are animals too. Why aren't the things we do natural too? (Though I do not agree with that idealology, I am just playing devil's advocate.)

Originally posted by General G
I must start off with the fact that I really enjoyed your post, it was a nice read and I actually had trouble commenting on some of it.

What do you expect from a fellow Star Wars fan? 😄

Originally posted by General G
[1]But those animals will basically be clones of those older animals, and there are obvious problems with that. [2]And Terraforming will be a long time coming, we are as far as I am aware nowhere near being able to terraform another planet.

1. All organisms are basically clones, though.

Scientists have been aware of the extremely minute genetic differences in one specimen of species to another of the same species for many years. The very very tiny differences are what make each organism not an exact replica of its progenitor/s. In order to successfully "replicate" a species from just data, scientists would have to master the ability to create these very very minute differences so that the species could procreate successfully. Of course, in a few decades, I am very sure software will be able to do all of that and eliminate the need for the geneticist to think that much about that organism's genome.

2. I agree, we are very far from being able to terraform a planet. We were looking 300 years into the future and 300 years from now, terraforming should not be an issue. My point was not the ability to terraform a planet, but to introduce the idea of terraforming a planet just to put our planetary species on that planet that we have replicated just from data alone. I guess I just used it for novelty only.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Why are you advertising your stupid threads in other threads?

http://piv.pivpiv.dk/

Originally posted by debbiejo
Why do I have to click on thingssssss.... 🙁

well, my best guess is that if it's from Braddock, it's probably really positive and encourable. I could be wrong.

Originally posted by Czarina_Czarina
well, my best guess is that if it's from Braddock, it's probably really positive and encourable. I could be wrong.

Even worse, you assume that your repeated stupid posts are not negative.

Something's terribly, terribly wrong with you.

Oh, and try to get my name straight, it's not that hard.

Originally posted by General G
Please read all before posting, this is my first visit, let alone post in here, this may get closed, but what do I care, I got to say it.

Back on topic:

I hate people and our arrogant ways, that just because we can blow each other up with nuclear weapons and kill each other with guns, we are therefore better than any other species and have the right no totally wipe them out.

On average, about 1 species goes extinct every 18 minutes, whether that is a particular plant or bacteria, or a large mammal (most recent was a type of dolphin just a few weeks ago) which means that with all of the species on Earth, in just 300 years, there will be NO more species.

I personally think that animals lives are far above the value of a humans and that the next species to go extinct or endangered should be well...us. We are way too overpopulated too spread out, and because we are so arrogant, we think that it doesn’t matter what we do to anything else. With the amount of trees and forests we are cutting down each year (damn, each day for crying out loud) is disgusting and is a surprise that anything can still live in those areas.

I remember a bit ago a man shot a hunter dead because the hunter was about to kill a Rhino, and he got extremely ridiculed for it and was sent to jail. But I still remember what he said before he did, he said that if someone was robbing a bank and ran out with a bag of money (basically a bag of paper) and he shot that man dead, he would be praised, perhaps even rewarded, and to see that one of our endangered animals, a living, breathing animal has less value than a silly bag of paper just disgusts me.

And we are not stopping, the Amur Leopard has less than 40 left in the wild, only six of those are females, we pushed them to extinction, I guarantee within the next couple years, there will be no more. They get so little attention because they live in the same area as the Siberian (Amur) tigers which is the Amur River Valley in Russia.

The Dusky Seaside Sparrow…it took us about 118 years to drive them to extinction after we first found them. They went extinct in 1990. The person that took care of the very last Dusky Seaside Sparrow had this to say, "The last member of the rarest species known to us. He became blind in one eye, became old for a sparrow, and yet he persisted as if he knew his sole task was to sustain the bloodline as long as possible., I wondered if he felt sorrow or excruciating panic at the thought of his oneness. Orange Band, blind in one eye, old and alone, was gone.” Orange Band was the name of the Sparrow.

I personally wouldn’t mind the removal of humans from this planet, we do nothing good.

Anyways, I am done now.

I could see why you don't like humans.But from the begining that stuff always been g oing on.There is no way the fighting and hating is ever going to stop and sad enough there is nothing we could do about it.
Also you must hate annials as well.They fight each other and kill each other for food and alot of other stuff that we do as well.
So you might as well blame them too.Good first thread here.Doubt it if it would be close.May the force with you always!jm 😎