Frank 7/10, granted Cap has all the advantages, but Frank has the determination and ruthlessness to pull off some wins. Frank can take a beating and keep going even harder and he is one of the dirtiest players in the game as soon as cap makes one mistake or shows a soft spot frank will capitalize and kill him...end of story, so says jgiant.
Originally posted by jgiant
Frank 7/10, granted Cap has all the advantages, but Frank has the determination and ruthlessness to pull off some wins. Frank can take a beating and keep going even harder and he is one of the dirtiest players in the game as soon as cap makes one mistake or shows a soft spot frank will capitalize and kill him...end of story, so says jgiant.
thats a good point...about Frank fighting dirty, he would have no qualms about landing a good nutshot on Cap
Originally posted by jinzin
I don't agree that cap walks away from this fight 10/10.. but I'm kinda doubting that's the reasoning Soljer's using to determine Cap as the winner here. 😐
What reasoning there is no reasoning. Soljer has a habit of ignoring evidence. Cap can KO Thunderball but cant KO Luke Cage. BP is faster than Wolverine but Elecktra is still better than him, despîte all the evidence to show how good the Punisher is he still loses 10/10.
Ive given the reasons clearly and coherently to why Frank is more dangerous with guns but since you want to ignore why is it when Wolverine gets hit by the Hulk all his flesh doesnt fly off his skeleton due to the impact? Well think about it...when he gets stabbed or shot he still gets wounded a blow from a class 100 should make the flesh fly off his skeleton. In fact that less plausible than Punisher being able to hit Cap and DD with a gun because there is no logic behind it apart from the fact that its a comicbook.
Originally posted by jgiant
Frank 7/10, granted Cap has all the advantages, but Frank has the determination and ruthlessness to pull off some wins. Frank can take a beating and keep going even harder and he is one of the dirtiest players in the game as soon as cap makes one mistake or shows a soft spot frank will capitalize and kill him...end of story, so says jgiant.
Except Frank has already been shown to have a lot of respect for Cap and what he represents so I doubt he would go for a kill.
Its not like Cap hasn't fought guys who are going for the kill against him before either, he did after all fight in WWII and I don't think the Germans were playin...
Originally posted by Hercules
Except Frank has already been shown to have a lot of respect for Cap and what he represents so I doubt he would go for a kill.
Yeah and hes also threatened to kill him as well, obvoulsy the writer who decided to show Frank take a beating for Cap obvoulsy didnt read this issue. Writers just come along and just **** characters up.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Yeah and hes also threatened to kill him as well, obvoulsy the writer who decided to show Frank take a beating for Cap obvoulsy didnt read this issue. Writers just come along and just **** characters up.
Or alternately you could say the writer who wrote him threatening to kill Cap was ****ing him up?
After all Frank wants to take out villians not heroes and threatening to kill someone isn't the same as actually attempting or doing it, otherwise I would be doing life myself right now!
Again, its not like Cap hasn't fought people who have gone for the kill before, I don't see that as a reason for Punisher to take a majority.
I would go with Cap 8/10.
Originally posted by Alfheim
What reasoning there is no reasoning. Soljer has a habit of ignoring evidence. Cap can KO Thunderball but cant KO Luke Cage. BP is faster than Wolverine but Elecktra is still better than him, despîte all the evidence to show how good the Punisher is he still loses 10/10.Ive given the reasons clearly and coherently to why Frank is more dangerous with guns but since you want to ignore why is it when Wolverine gets hit by the Hulk all his flesh doesnt fly off his skeleton due to the impact? Well think about it...when he gets stabbed or shot he still gets wounded a blow from a class 100 should make the flesh fly off his skeleton. In fact that less plausible than Punisher being able to hit Cap and DD with a gun because there is no logic behind it apart from the fact that its a comicbook.
You DO realize that I was trying to help you here right? That I was in part agreeing with you?
(sigh)
But since you want to be a prattling ****, ok let's do this:
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Punisher IS just a guy with a gun compared to the likes of Captain America.. No matter how much training he got in and before Viet-Nam his level of skill is not nor will never be as good as Captain America's..
Is he a good fighter? Of course.. is he good enough to beat Captain America in a straight fight? HELL NO... (You want to argue otherwise, go ahead, I'll call upon all the times you reference Wolverine against top tiers, and what happens when Frank deals with top tiers? he gets his ugly mug kicked in for 20 some odd minutes).
Likewise, he totally and utterly lacks the experience that Cap does as well or the strategical mindset (Cap's been fighting in Wars since before Punisher was born).. Yet, unlike Wolverine, Punisher doesn't have superhuman attributes to rely upon and fall back on...
Cap's physically MUCH stronger than Punisher, as well as faster, and on TOP of that he doesn't fatique, where as Punisher trying to keep up at Cap's pace will certainly gas him out making him relatively easy pickings..
Cap's Shield and speed can dodge or block whatever Punisher shoots at him. Captain America has made an entire career and a half dodging bullets in battle and no selling whole platoons of soldiers or gangs of henchmen even back in his rookie days... And, while Punisher's bullets run out, Cap's shield won't plain and simple...
Then we've got CIS coming into play.. Punisher has an admitted block when it comes to raising a hand to Captain America.. Where as the Cap has an obvious distaste for Frank.
Plus in terms of sheer stopping power Cap's head and shoulders above Punisher...
Cap can either knock him out with a shield sling or with his "Thunderball KOing" fists o' doom...
You know Captain America's batted around the wrecker right?
In terms of sheer reflexes what's Frank gonna throw at Cap that Cap can't evade or block? Seriously?
Cap can hit Skrulls that move so fast they look like they're teleporting with his shield... you really don't think Cap could easily PWN Punisher when Pun isn't even fast enough to perceive Elektra's movements?
Oh wait, this is the part where you call PIS right? PIS on ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING that makes your argument look like anything less than the facade it usually.. no make that ALWAYS is.. But hell let's ignore the fact that the claim to PIS is totally subjective... especially when someone's using it in defense of one of the loves of their life... lets use handbooks when they suit you, comic PIS loaded events.. when it suits you... HELL, you like to use FAN REVIEWS when it suits you're purposes.. but let's omit anything that conflicts with your bias opinions right?
And let's face it, they ARE for the most part opinions since you hardly EVER bring facts down to the table, just what you "heard about" or "read about once".. 😂
PIS indeed.
Which brings us to why I'm laying this ownage upon you in the first place...
You want to try and make since of Captain America KOing someone who has enough durability to stand up to punches from GODS AND DEMONS, you want to imply that him KOing a man who's falling out of skyscrapers and got up with a whistle is OK... but then you have the AUDACITY to turn around and condemn Wolverine's physiology?
What the hell is the matter with you?
You want to talk about what Cap's or Punisher have done in the comics and then turn around that say comic logic is bad?
Why would bullets and stabbing/cutting weapons go through Wolverine but not brick punches? hmmmmm I wonder.. I mean it's not like there's TONS of BRICKLIKE characters who suffer from that same affliction.. It's not like there's different TYPES of durability.
It's not like Wolverine's never shown to have above human durability levels, or hell even described as a superhuman.. or sh*t, even given an entire Lupin backstory that solidifies that he's some sort of quasi-wereman which would clearly EXPLAIN his superhuman attributes 'sides the mutation. 🙄
And I mean, it IS like we've totally seen what brick punches do to a person with a healing factor and an admantium skeleton so we clearly KNOW BEYOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT what would happen if they were to be hit.
The more you post every day the more I can't help feeling like you're turning into a joke.. I like you Alf, I really do, and I don't want to do this to you, but if you're gonna get so damned uppity any time I even try to converse with you, then this has to be done.
Originally posted by Hercules
Or alternately you could say the writer who wrote him threatening to kill Cap was ****ing him up?
No because that incident happened first.
Originally posted by Hercules
After all Frank wants to take out villians not heroes and threatening to kill someone isn't the same as actually attempting or doing it, otherwise I would be doing life myself right now!
True but I think he would kill Cap but he would be very reluctant. I think there have been times when Frank was going to kill DD but decided against it...but he was on the verge.
Originally posted by Hercules
Again, its not like Cap hasn't fought people who have gone for the kill before, I don't see that as a reason for Punisher to take a majority.I would go with Cap 8/10.
I agree.
Originally posted by jinzinBut since you want to be a prattling ****, ok let's do this:
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You have a serious attitude problem. When you learn to calm down then we can debate. You're rude, you dont understand simple concepts like context when debating, sort yourself out. You need to calm down there was no excuse for a response like that, there was nothing special about the post and it was uncalled for. Furthermore you didnt even understand what im saying I dont have a problem with Wolverine taking shots from bricks all I was saying is that its double standards. You misunderstood what I said.......AGAIN.
Originally posted by Alfheim
No because that incident happened first.
It doesn't always follow that because it was written first that the first writer had a better grasp on the character than the writer who wrote his respect for Capt and his reluctance to hurt him or fight him though.
I like the respect Angle and Frank taking a beating from Capt and not raising a hand against him, showed how tough he was and the mental determination he had imo.
I would take that version of Frank over the psycho, you push me and I will kill you version anyday of the week, I also see how as a vet himself he would have a lot of respect for Capt and what he stood for.
But this is all my opinion, I know others hated the whole deal.