I think Cap would take it 8 or 9/10, he's physically superior, and has fought guys better than punisher...
punisher is a well trained soldier, but he's still human... in our world he'd kick ass, but this is marvel, being well trained just doesnt cut it against the big boys... his arsenal alone might help him somehow (a well placed grenade etc), and cap's shield can't cover his whole body, so i'm sure frank can get in a well placed shot or two... other than that, cap's superior skills and physique should see him through imo...
battlehammer, stop trying to incite people, it won't be tolerated... alfheim, please calm down and stop making little comments about people... it does nothing but give an incredibly bad impression of yourself...
Originally posted by pr1983
alfheim, please calm down and stop making little comments about people... it does nothing but give an incredibly bad impression of yourself...
Did you actually see why I said that? 🤨 So let mle get this straight he tells me im a prattling little **** and your telling me that im giving a bad impression? Ok could you please explain how?
Well Ok since ive calmed down now let me try and respond to this...*sigh*
Originally posted by jinzinPunisher IS just a guy with a gun compared to the likes of Captain America.. No matter how much training he got in and before Viet-Nam his level of skill is not nor will never be as good as Captain America's..
Yes I know.....
Originally posted by jinzinIs he a good fighter? Of course.. is he good enough to beat Captain America in a straight fight? HELL NO... (You want to argue otherwise, go ahead, I'll call upon all the times you reference Wolverine against top tiers, and what happens when Frank deals with top tiers? he gets his ugly mug kicked in for 20 some odd minutes).
What like the last fight were Frank beat up DD badly and dislocated DDs arm? Didnt Frank have a non Einis fight with Wolverine were he did pretty well considering in fact Punisher hit him more times than Wolverine did.
Originally posted by jinzin
Likewise, he totally and utterly lacks the experience that Cap does as well or the strategical mindset (Cap's been fighting in Wars since before Punisher was born).. Yet, unlike Wolverine, Punisher doesn't have superhuman attributes to rely upon and fall back on...
...which is why he will lose the majority.....
Originally posted by jinzin
Cap's physically MUCH stronger than Punisher, as well as faster, and on TOP of that he doesn't fatique, where as Punisher trying to keep up at Cap's pace will certainly gas him out making him relatively easy pickings..
You're not telling me anything I dont know....the fight probably wont last that long anyway.
Originally posted by jinzin
Cap's Shield and speed can dodge or block whatever Punisher shoots at him. Captain America has made an entire career and a half dodging bullets in battle and no selling whole platoons of soldiers or gangs of henchmen even back in his rookie days... And, while Punisher's bullets run out, Cap's shield won't plain and simple...
Originally posted by jinzin
Then we've got CIS coming into play.. Punisher has an admitted block when it comes to raising a hand to Captain America.. Where as the Cap has an obvious distaste for Frank.
Which contradicts the first time where Frank threatened to kill him.
Originally posted by jinzin
Plus in terms of sheer stopping power Cap's head and shoulders above Punisher...
Cap can either knock him out with a shield sling or with his "Thunderball KOing" fists o' doom...
You know Captain America's batted around the wrecker right?
Yeah and Frank has taken shots from Doc Samson, Doc wasnt trying to kill him but it must have been pretty hard. Oh yeah and Franks taken a punchs from the US Agent as well. 😐
Originally posted by jinzin
In terms of sheer reflexes what's Frank gonna throw at Cap that Cap can't evade or block? Seriously?
Cap can hit Skrulls that move so fast they look like they're teleporting with his shield... you really don't think Cap could easily PWN Punisher when Pun isn't even fast enough to perceive Elektra's movements?Oh wait, this is the part where you call PIS right? PIS on ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING that makes your argument look like anything less than the facade it usually.. no make that ALWAYS is.. But hell let's ignore the fact that the claim to PIS is totally subjective
...Do you know why its PIS. Its PIS because.
1. Punisher has humiliated Nightcrawler and Spiderman.
2. Has shot Spiderman.
3. Nearly killed DD.
4. Deflected DD's billyclub on more than one occasion.
5. Evaded a suprise attack from Cap and deflected and caught his shield with his feet.
6. Hell Frank beat the Paladin, Paladin beat Cap...sure the circumstances were different but it was still a good feat.
Its not a hard concept to understand to thats why Wolverine getting KOed by a deer is PIS because hes taken far more damage. The same way its PIS for Elecktra to take the gun out of his hand because of his other showings.
Originally posted by jinzin
... especially when someone's using it in defense of one of the loves of their life... lets use handbooks when they suit you, comic PIS loaded events.. when it suits you... HELL, you like to use FAN REVIEWS when it suits you're purposes.. but let's omit anything that conflicts with your bias opinions right?
*sigh*
Originally posted by jinzin
And let's face it, they ARE for the most part opinions since you hardly EVER bring facts down to the table, just what you "heard about" or "read about once".. 😂PIS indeed.
Which brings us to why I'm laying this ownage upon you in the first place...
*sigh*
Originally posted by jinzin
You want to try and make since of Captain America KOing someone who has enough durability to stand up to punches from GODS AND DEMONS, you want to imply that him KOing a man who's falling out of skyscrapers and got up with a whistle is OK... but then you have the AUDACITY to turn around and condemn Wolverine's physiology?What the hell is the matter with you?
You want to talk about what Cap's or Punisher have done in the comics and then turn around that say comic logic is bad?
Why would bullets and stabbing/cutting weapons go through Wolverine but not brick punches? hmmmmm I wonder.. I mean it's not like there's TONS of BRICKLIKE characters who suffer from that same affliction.. It's not like there's different TYPES of durability.
It's not like Wolverine's never shown to have above human durability levels, or hell even described as a superhuman.. or sh*t, even given an entire Lupin backstory that solidifies that he's some sort of quasi-wereman which would clearly EXPLAIN his superhuman attributes 'sides the mutation. 🙄
And I mean, it IS like we've totally seen what brick punches do to a person with a healing factor and an admantium skeleton so we clearly KNOW BEYOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT what would happen if they were to be hit.
The more you post every day the more I can't help feeling like you're turning into a joke.. I like you Alf, I really do, and I don't want to do this to you, but if you're gonna get so damned uppity any time I even try to converse with you, then this has to be done.
*sigh* .......Ok lets see if you can get this into context but you'll probably tell me im changing my argument. Lets have a look at my post....part 1
Originally posted by Alfheim
What reasoning there is no reasoning. Soljer has a habit of ignoring evidence. Cap can KO Thunderball but cant KO Luke Cage. BP is faster than Wolverine but Elecktra is still better than him, despîte all the evidence to show how good the Punisher is he still loses 10/10.
What does this mean...note the bit I underlined. It means I dont have a problem with Cap Koing Thunderball, what I have a problem with is Cap being able to KO Thunderball and NOT being able to KO Luke Cage..get it?
Originally posted by Alfheim
Ive given the reasons clearly and coherently to why Frank is more dangerous with guns but since you want to ignore why is it when Wolverine gets hit by the Hulk all his flesh doesnt fly off his skeleton due to the impact? Well think about it...when he gets stabbed or shot he still gets wounded a blow from a class 100 should make the flesh fly off his skeleton. In fact that less plausible than Punisher being able to hit Cap and DD with a gun because there is no logic behind it apart from the fact that its a comicbook.
Now taking the first part of my post how does this apply to Wolverine. What this means is that I dont have a problem with Wolverine taking shots from Hulk because its a comicbook see the bit where I underlined already.
The reason why I accept Wolverine taking class 100 shots is because hes been doing it for ages but what I didnt like is the fact that Frank has shown time and time again to be able to hit superheroes with his gun but its not accepted....and no logically it doesnt make sense that Wolverine can take class 100 shots. Wolverine gets shot and stabbed he bleeds like everybody he gets punched in the face by Shang Chi he bleeds, therefore a punch from the Hulk should destroy all the flesh off Wolverines body, but this has never happened so we assume that its a comicbook and things work differently. Wolverine doesnt have different sorts of durability for example some people can take class 100 shots but cant take edged damage the difference is that Wolverine gets hurt and injured by both blunt force trauma and edged damage so its doesnt make sense. For example he will bleed from a punch from Shang Chi but not bleed from a punch from the Hulk...get it?
Originally posted by Hercules
It doesn't always follow that because it was written first that the first writer had a better grasp on the character than the writer who wrote his respect for Capt and his reluctance to hurt him or fight him though.I like the respect Angle and Frank taking a beating from Capt and not raising a hand against him, showed how tough he was and the mental determination he had imo.
I would take that version of Frank over the psycho, you push me and I will kill you version anyday of the week, I also see how as a vet himself he would have a lot of respect for Capt and what he stood for.
But this is all my opinion, I know others hated the whole deal.
I just remebered Frank has fought Cap on two other occassion in one ocassion it was a proper fight. So yeah it is inconsistent with his character. Frank moved from threatening to kill him and actually phsicailly fighting him to letting Cap beat him up. Obvoulsy it was bad writing.
Originally posted by Alfheim
You have a serious attitude problem.
Originally posted by Alfheim
When you learn to calm down then we can debate.
I was perfectly calm when I owned your ass last night.. I had no rise in me whatsoever.
Originally posted by Alfheim
You're rude,
Nope, wrong again.. I simply treat people how they treat me.. you want to throw yourself into an argument with me when there's no call for it? Fine, but don't complain when I fire back.
Originally posted by Alfheim
you dont understand simple concepts like context when debating,
Oh please, when do I EVER represent anything out of context? Unlike you who brings up opinions I made years ago under different circumstances with a different amount of knowledge as if it's a suitable point NOW.
Originally posted by Alfheim
sort yourself out. You need to calm down there was no excuse for a response like that,
Originally posted by Alfheim
there was nothing special about the post and it was uncalled for.
I disagree.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Furthermore you didnt even understand what im saying I dont have a problem with Wolverine taking shots from bricks all I was saying is that its double standards. You misunderstood what I said.......AGAIN.
Did I or are you backtracking again because I caught you in another heap of bullshit? AGAIN... 😐
You want to talk about how I don't understand concepts and yet you can't even follow your own trains of thought or understand how to convey them properly. You're the one using double standards here.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
DD last fight with punisher was an ennis comic..........and it was the same sisue Logan drnak acid liek that makes sense........
Er I dont think it was you know. You also said the second fight with Wolverine was Einnis it wasnt.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
Logan was not KOed by the deer.......go read the dam issue
I was arguing it was PIS anyway....you missed the point.
Oh yeah this Frank having a distaste for hitting the Punisher.
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Originally posted by jinzinDid I or are you backtracking again because I caught you in another heap of bullshit? AGAIN... 😐
You want to talk about how I don't understand concepts and yet you can't even follow your own trains of thought or understand how to convey them properly. You're the one using double standards here.
See what I mean? Ok do me favour take a deep breath....im gonna try and calm down.....please read my last post and see if im backtracking or you took what I said out of context.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
it was. Hell it was like top 10 worst comics ever it not the worst.really what was there second fight?
Werll considering the second fight between Wolverine wasnt Einnis..im gonna take what you said with a pinch of salt.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Heres the whole Wolverine fight. Third tier my ass.http://img262.imageshack.us/my.php?image=punisherwarjournal007126yn.jpg
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Originally posted by Alfheim
Werll considering the second fight between Wolverine wasnt Einnis..im gonna take what you said with a pinch of salt.
I thought there second fight was the one when spiderman DD and wolverine went after punisher........I dident realize there was fight before then.
so now Im a lier? becuase I did nto realize they had a fight inbetween the two I know about. well actaully they had another fight after then last ennis one and wolverine curf stomp punisher
Originally posted by Battlehammer
I thought there second fight was the one when spiderman DD and wolverien went after punisher........I dident realize there was fight before then.
Well thats not it then is it.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
so now Im a lier? becuase I did nto realize they had a fight inbetween the two I know about. well actaully they ahd another fight after then last ennis one and wolverine curf stomp punisher
Well look you were wrong anyway....ok?
Originally posted by Alfheim
Well thats not it then is it.Well look you were wrong anyway....ok?
when punisher knocks DD pout a window..........
Originally posted by Battlehammer
I was only wrong in the sense that I dident realize they had another fight.......but I was right in the sense that the DD fight you are referring to is from ennis.when punisher knocks DD pout a window..........
No thats not it.......Punisher doesnt knock DD out of a window..... 😐
Originally posted by Alfheim
Punisher vs DDhttp://img403.imageshack.us/my.php?image=daredevilvspunisher6057xo.jpg
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Originally posted by Battlehammer
Also how in hell do you call that fight a win for punisher........Logan was completely fine.........
I didnt say it was a win. Do you see what I mean about you guys. The point was that he wasnt stomped by Wolverine
Originally posted by Alfheim
See what I mean? Ok do me favour take a deep breath....im gonna try and calm down.....please read my last post and see if im backtracking or you took what I said out of context.
Dude I'm not riled NOR am I bringing ANYTHING up out of context.. and you as usual lack the proof.
