Originally posted by Alfheim
No thats not it.......Punisher doesnt knock DD out of a window..... 😐
you said punisher dislocated DD arm which he did in there alst fight by ennis.
and Im pritty sure the ennis fight came after this but im not sure. They were both around the same time.
Not to mention DD stomp frank through out that whole arc......punisher did good in like one encounter.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
man you should really make your self more clear when you bring fights upyou said punisher dislocated DD arm which he did in there alst fight by ennis.
No I didnt.......see? Can you see whY I get annoyed sometimes?
Originally posted by AlfheimWhat like the last fight were Frank beat up DD badly and dislocated DDs arm? Didnt Frank have a non Einis fight with Wolverine were he did pretty well considering in fact Punisher hit him more times than Wolverine did.
Originally posted by AlfheimNot to mention DD stomp frank through out that whole arc......punisher did good in like one encounter.
Yes but why should that be the case when:
1. Punisher has humiliated Nightcrawler and Spiderman.
2. Has shot Spiderman.
3. Nearly killed DD.
4. Deflected DD's billyclub on more than one occasion.
5. Evaded a suprise attack from Cap and deflected and caught his shield with his feet.
6. Hell Frank beat the Paladin, Paladin beat Cap...sure the circumstances were different but it was still a good feat.
DD will beat Frank for the majority but Frank getting stomped is like Apoc ducking from a table. Looking at Franks showings written properly he should not get stomped by DD.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
but punisher would be stomped by Logan and was in there last fight and Logan was trying not to kill punisher...........
Dindt look like that to me and Punisher had a bad leg as well.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
but you did. You said he dislocated DD arm which he did in the ennis run........
no no no no no no....look again.
Originally posted by AlfheimWhat like the last fight were Frank beat up DD badly and dislocated DDs arm?
.
Where did I say it was Einnis.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
That wasent there last fight you do know that right..........
No well anyway I was refering to the one I posted.
Originally posted by Alfheim
no no no no no no....look again.Where did I say it was Einnis.
No well anyway I was refering to the one I posted.
I said it was ennis becuase that happen in an ennis fight........hence why I said you should make your self more clear when bringing up a fight.
in in the one you posted the fight ended real quickly not to mention punisher would never pull the trigger to a gun thats been cut like that......or he shouldent becuase it would kill him.......
Logan would and has stomped punisher
Originally posted by Alfheim
Well Ok since ive calmed down now let me try and respond to this...*sigh*Yes I know.....
Then don't say that he isn't.. When you do that and KNOW otherwise, you're just arguing for arguments sake.
It's ridiculous.
Originally posted by Alfheim
What like the last fight were Frank beat up DD badly and dislocated DDs arm?
Cause that's the standard right? I mean it's not like we've seen a half dozen occasions where DD is casually slapping Punisher away like nothing while Punisher's ADMITTING his own inferiority...
Originally posted by Alfheim
Didnt Frank have a non Einis fight with Wolverine were he did pretty well considering in fact Punisher hit him more times than Wolverine did.
No..
There's two fights in the jungle.. the first one Wolverine one shots Frank.
The second one was inconclusive but Frank got the jump on Wolvie from the start of that fight.
They have another fight where Wolverine's casually stomping Frank all over a mall, Frank's only way of defending himself was while Wolverine was talking or messing around.
And another quick h2h fight that ended before it really got started.
hell even in the Ennis fight Punisher admitted he was out of his league and getting stomped on, he even attributed any advantage he had in that fight to sheer luck...
Originally posted by Alfheim
Which contradicts the first time where Frank threatened to kill him.
I see.. so when Wolverine had his claws pointed at Xaviers head he had the intent to kill? 🤨
Like someone painfully pointed out to you, threatening to kill someone and actually attempting it are two different things entirely.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Yeah and Frank has taken shots from Doc Samson, Doc wasnt trying to kill him but it must have been pretty hard. Oh yeah and Franks taken a punchs from the US Agent as well. 😐
When did he take shots from Samson?
It still doesn't matter has Frank doesn't have the ability to take more punishment from Cap than the other way around...
and he can't dish as much out....
Cap's superior.
Originally posted by Alfheim
...Do you know why its PIS. Its PIS because.1. Punisher has humiliated Nightcrawler and Spiderman.
2. Has shot Spiderman
3. Nearly killed DD.
4. Deflected DD's billyclub on more than one occasion.
5. Evaded a suprise attack from Cap and deflected and caught his shield with his feet.
1. Neither are Elektra.. irrelivent.
2. Which is still not elektra...
and that was ONE TIME... how about the half dozen times that Spiderman has casually swatted punisher aside like a rag doll or dodged his gunfire at point blank?
Oh yeah lets ignore consistency for the sake of your agument right?
3. CONSISTENCY
4. So has Elektra she's clearly faster than a billy club.
5. you're saying that like Cap was using a full force throw... 😐
Is it impressive? Yep, is it impressive enough to call PIS? Nope.
6. Paladin CHEATED to beat Cap.. christ.. CON-SIS-TENC-Y..
Lets ignore the fact that Cap's proven to be Paladin's superior in at least three Captain America storylines before that fight.
Lets ignore the fact that Paladin cheated..
Lets ignore the fact that both Misty Knight AND Shang Chi effortlessly pwned him after that fight when he wasn't cheating... all for the sake of your argument.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Its not a hard concept to understand to thats why Wolverine getting KOed by a deer is PIS because hes taken far more damage. The same way its PIS for Elecktra to take the gun out of his hand because of his other showings.
Originally posted by Alfheim
.......Ok lets see if you can get this into context but you'll probably tell me im changing my argument. Lets have a look at my post....part 1
Originally posted by Alfheim
What does this mean...note the bit I underlined. It means I dont have a problem with Cap Koing Thunderball, what I have a problem with is Cap being able to KO Thunderball and NOT being able to KO Luke Cage..get it?
you underline some shit like that automatically changes how you brought up what you said.. and yes you are changing your argument.. you do this everytime you get painted into a corner so it comes as no surprise.
Apparently you don't get it... Cap KOs Thunderball... ONCE.. for a MOMENT...
Yes he hurts bricks but KOing them isn't a standard for him...
Cage HAS a standard for taking punishment far and above what Cap regularly dishes out.. why are we assuming his durability gets dropped for the sake of your argu--- I mean Cap..
Yes the showing opens up the door to the possibility that Cap MIGHT be able to do it... does it mean that he can? no probably not.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
dude I never said you said It was ennis.
Whats that then.
Originally posted by Battlehammeryou said punisher dislocated DD arm which he did in there alst fight by ennis.
Originally posted by Battlehammerin in the one you posted the fight ended real quickly not to mention punisher would never pull the trigger to a gun thats been cut like that......or he shouldent becuase it would kill him.......
Its a comicbook.....
Originally posted by BattlehammerLogan would and has stomped punisher
Yeah he would in the end.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Whats that then.
You said punisher dislocated DD arm which he did in the last ennis fight.......wtf don't you udnerstand. I never said you said it was an ennis fight
Originally posted by Alfheim
Its a comicbook.....Yeah he would in the end.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
OMG pay attention.You said punisher dislocated DD arm which he did in the last ennis
No I didnt...
Originally posted by Alfheim
What like the last fight were Frank beat up DD badly and dislocated DDs arm?
Where did I say it was Einnis?
Originally posted by Battlehammer
fight.......wtf don't you udnerstand. I never said you said it was an ennis fight
What does this mean?
Originally posted by BattlehammerYOU said punisher dislocated DD arm which he did in there alst fight by ENNIS.
Can anybody else see this?
Originally posted by Alfheim
I just remebered Frank has fought Cap on two other occassion in one ocassion it was a proper fight. So yeah it is inconsistent with his character. Frank moved from threatening to kill him and actually phsicailly fighting him to letting Cap beat him up. Obvoulsy it was bad writing.
Bad writing in your eyes maybe, but I actually like the idea and Marvel seem to be running with Punisher having the upmost respect for Cap and what he stood for.
Characters evolve and it looks to me like Punisher is going through some re writes, I guess if you are a hardcore fan you may not like it.
Like I say its a question of opinion lots of characters get retconned and past fights forgotten or changed.
Titania for example WTFpwned She Hulk in Secret Wars but that was re written in She Hulk's series.
These things happen, Frank has crossed swords with Cap in the past and now he won't fight back, these things happen and I guess whether you like them or not really depends on how big a fan of the character you are.
But my evidence that Frank wouldn't go for the kill against Cap is just as valid as yours that he would, in fact as my evidence is current some would say more valid.
Call it CIS, PIS or bad writing, it happened and it seems to be a bit of an ongoing theme with Punisher at the moment (the new costume etc) so its valid.
Originally posted by Alfheim
No I didnt...Where did I say it was Einnis?
What does this mean?
Can anybody else see this?
are you a fighting idiot?
I never siad you said it was an ennis fight
You said Punisher dislocated DD arm.
and then I said
Punisher dislocated DD arm in an ennis run
wtf don't you understand?
man I thought you were brighter then this.
Originally posted by Hercules
Bad writing in your eyes maybe, but I actually like the idea and Marvel seem to be running with Punisher having the upmost respect for Cap and what he stood for.Characters evolve and it looks to me like Punisher is going through some re writes, I guess if you are a hardcore fan you may not like it.
Like I say its a question of opinion lots of characters get retconned and past fights forgotten or changed.
Titania for example WTFpwned She Hulk in Secret Wars but that was re written in She Hulk's series.
These things happen, Frank has crossed swords with Cap in the past and now he won't fight back, these things happen and I guess whether you like them or not really depends on how big a fan of the character you are.
But my evidence that Frank wouldn't go for the kill against Cap is just as valid as yours that he would, in fact as my evidence is current some would say more valid.
Call it CIS, PIS or bad writing, it happened and it seems to be a bit of an ongoing theme with Punisher at the moment (the new costume etc) so its valid.
OK but dont you think its inconsistnet for Frank to threaten to kill cap and then in another circumstance actually try and kill and beat him up. I guess bad writing is a matter of opinion but it is inconsistent.
This is the thing it states that Frank met Cap when he was training for Nam and he didnt fight back....obvoulsy the person wirting it didnt know that Frank has tried to kill him before and threatened to kill him.
Originally posted by Battlehammeryou said punisher dislocated DD arm which he did in there alst fight by ennis.
By the way could you do me a quick favour could you just please intepret this sentence im going mad here....
Originally posted by Alfheim
OK but dont you think its inconsistnet for Frank to threaten to kill cap and then in another circumstance actually try and kill and beat him up. I guess bad writing is a matter of opinion but it is inconsistent.
Unfortunatley, Inconsistent = comics in general, thats why debating them is so interesting, very few characters have a consistant history.
Originally posted by Hercules
Unfortunatley, Inconsistent = comics in general, thats why debating them is so interesting, very few characters have a consistant history.
i think sometimes the character changes in certain circumstances..
but if any character is consistent in comics, its the punisher. he's still got only one thing on his mind: killing bad guys.
but anyway, after seeing how punisher had captain america at gun point after plopping his shield onto the ground, i give this to Punisher
6/10