Captain America v.s. Punisher

Originally posted by jgiant
Wat has this turned into DD vs. Punisher...common,

Im trying to prove that Frank could gets wins on Cap by showing his fights with DD.

Originally posted by jgiant

just give frank 3/10 against Cap, he deserves it.

I dunno man. You know I love the punisher but thats pushing it. I think Cap would win 6/10 against DD thats why im giving him 2/10.

I dunno though Frank written at his best could get 3 I guess but no more the problem is he has some bad showings as well.

Originally posted by jgiant
Wat has this turned into DD vs. Punisher...common, just give frank 3/10 against Cap, he deserves it.

And, considering what Spiderman has recently been put through, he deserves some pity too...

Doesn't mean anyone's giving him odds against Parallax.

I love the punisher. but both DD and Cap should take him atleast 9/10. in a close-quarters fight, 10/10.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Well even if that happened in an Einnis fight didnt I post scans that showed clearly that I was not refering to Einnis. How could it have come off that I was refering to that fight when I posted scans to verfiy it wasnt?

Yes... WHOLE PAGES after the initial confussion.. 😬

Originally posted by Alfheim
Yes you were. You were using it as an example how I was unclear.

And it STILL STANDS as an example of your need for clarification so I'm not sure what you expect from this... 😬

Originally posted by Alfheim
1.Well again I clearly showed scans in full colour that showed that it was not Einnis fight. Serioulsy with all due respect its not like you cant read scans is it?

2. Cap clearly stated that I said Cap takes the majority when I clearly said in black and white that it was a 5 way split and even cap admitted to being wrong.

Well I'm not sure what any of that had to do with your accusation of me or cap misuse of context.. but
for point 1:
With all due respect, you're not retarded are you? You DO realize that time folows a LINEAR fasion right? And that you only posted up scans AFTER the confussion and NOT BEFORE right?

For point 2:
I'm not Cap.. that's not my beef so why are you telling me? It has nothing to do with out discussion here and now. 😬

Originally posted by Alfheim
Yeah I did......saying that its ok to KO thunderball but not for Frank to shoot superhumans in my opinion is hypocrisy when Frank has shown time and time again that he can.

well you're wrong again.. Again, I'M not the one trying to justify that Cap can KO Thunderball... What I said was that it allows for the possibility for something like that to happen in a vs. forum but it's still a 50 to 1 shot IMO...
You keep fabricating that I'm upholding Cap KOing Thunderball like I think it's okay and a standard when I don't think either to be quite honest.

And Frank being able to shoot superhumans is not a problem for me; he can shoot superhuman's all he wants, but shooting Spiderman?!?! You can't honestly tell me that that's okay, and worse a standard.. It's not on either count... 😐

Originally posted by Alfheim
Yes and you did say that it was ok for Cap to KO Thunderball I have the quotes at the end of the post.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Cap has consistently hurt or KOed Bricks, Frank has consistently shown he has the ability to shoot superhumans. Hell Cap even has lots of showings were he has problems KOing bricks.

Which is why it's not likely for Cap to KO a brick in a forum fight hence why it's hella not likely he'll KO Luke Cage.. again you're fabricating in you mind that Cap KOing bricks with punches and kicks is an argument I support.. it's not it's just one you made up and started pretending that I said.. It's childish, transparent, and completely ridiculous...

And While Frank may be able to consistently shoot superhuman's he consistently misses spiderman.. his ability to shoot him ONCE doesn't negate the dozen other times he's missed, or more dangerous weapons systems have missed, or more threatening fire have missed.. you keep pretending that it does though, just grasp at those straws boy!

Originally posted by Alfheim
Thats just one example. This is why I was trying to get verification. Its also not like I cant misunderstand you if you werent whats the point in telling me im a prattling little **** and making a long post when im not saying that Wolverine taking shots from the Hulk is PIS.

Well for one, you practically said it's flat out "implausible" and two, you asked for an explaination... I gave you several.. I didn't accuse you of anything I simply retalitated to your post.. there was no accusation there. 😐

Originally posted by Alfheim
Then theres this.

...

So what you're going to tell me that you didnt argue that it was ok for Cap to KO Thunderball. You said you didnt say but you did. Im not the one with the problem here.

Actually, yup, you are the one with a problem.. a major one if you couldn't tell that I was mocking you there.. again, look at your first post, YOU said that it was Ok for Cap to KO Thunderball... NOT ME.. YOU.. I mocked you for it... simple as..... and you say I don't understand simple concepts? jeeesh.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Frank has thrown a fully grown man several metres and he wasnt even really trying....thats not bad either.

hmmm 400 pounds like a bo staff

or push pressing a roughly 200 lb man?

Is it a bad feat? No.
Is it a feat that comes close to DD's? naaah.

Originally posted by Alfheim
But despite this Frank has deflected his baton on numerous occassions.

Originally posted by Alfheim
True but Frank has a good showing against Ulik. Frank dodged him for awhile and managed to hurt hum. Ulik is tougher than Mr Hyde so it could be argued that Ulik was a better feat from Frank considering his powerset....so it seems that DD has better feats in some respects but not by a huge margin.

Originally posted by Alfheim
To tell you the truth I think Frank knows more about martial arts in general but DD knows several very well and has radar sense. If Frank has radar sense I can see him kicking the **** out of DD.

ARE... YOU... SERIOUS????? 😐

😆
hysterical

OMG...

Frank has made numerous suggestions and I think even flat out stated that DD was far superior to him in SKILL.. he's stated that DD can mop the floor with him in h2h combat.. and DD proved it.. NUMEROUS occasions..
With radar senses Punisher MIGHT do better.. but there shouldn't even be an argument on who has more martial art knowledge.. this is just getting to the point of absurdity.

Originally posted by Alfheim
...and still gets punched in the face just like everybody else.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Yeah thats true but that still doesnt stop him from giving DD a run for his money.

So you think Punisher somehow has more MA knowledge than DD but at the same time admit that DD's more skilled... 🤨
uuuuuuhhhhuh...

giving someone a run for there money and still coming out with a loss, is still coming out with a loss..

DD 7 or 8/10 over Punisher..

Originally posted by jgiant
Wat has this turned into DD vs. Punisher...common, just give frank 3/10 against Cap, he deserves it.

Here's my stance, if Punisher can't even really stand up to Cap in a straight fight when Cap's fighting off a degenerative disease that's robbing him of all the benefits of his SSS and actually inflicted damage onto his physical health (btw: Cap nailed him with a casual shield toss I think two pages into that fight, could have been a KO but Cap was taking it easy on him, Punisher even admitted he couldn't take Cap then).. then there's little to no chance IN HELL that he'll be able to take a fully functional Captain America... funny.. the more I argue about this, the less likely it seems that Punisher can take ANY victories here.

Originally posted by jinzin
Yes... WHOLE PAGES after the initial confussion.. 😬

*groan*

Originally posted by jinzin

And it STILL STANDS as an example of your need for clarification so I'm not sure what you expect from this... 😬

No it doesnt.

Originally posted by jinzin

Well I'm not sure what any of that had to do with your accusation of me or cap misuse of context.. but
for point 1:
With all due respect, you're not retarded are you? You DO realize that time folows a LINEAR fasion right? And that you only posted up scans AFTER the confussion and NOT BEFORE right?

The misunderstanding happened because Capt it up thought the last fight was Einnis please EXPLAIN how thats my fault when I didnt say it was EVER.

Originally posted by jinzin

For point 2:
I'm not Cap.. that's not my beef so why are you telling me? It has nothing to do with out discussion here and now. 😬

Yes it does because you stated that I dont make myself clear to you and other people. Have you forgotten?

Originally posted by jinzin

well you're wrong again.. Again, I'M not the one trying to justify that Cap can KO Thunderball... What I said was that it allows for the possibility for something like that to happen in a vs. forum but it's still a 50 to 1 shot IMO...

I couldnt careless you said that Cap can KO thunderball, period and your denying you said it.

Originally posted by jinzin

You keep fabricating that I'm upholding Cap KOing Thunderball like I think it's okay and a standard when I don't think either to be quite honest.

I couldnt careless wether you think its standard you said he has the capability of doing it and was using it as evidence, therefore you were using it as evidence to prove how good he is.

Originally posted by jinzin

And Frank being able to shoot superhumans is not a problem for me; he can shoot superhuman's all he wants, but shooting Spiderman?!?! You can't honestly tell me that that's okay, and worse a standard.. It's not on either count... 😐

Well lets put it this way. I think he can do it but it wont be a walk in the park.

Originally posted by jinzin

Where? I don't seem them...

Originally posted by Alfheim

Yeah I did......saying that its ok to KO thunderball but not for Frank to shoot superhumans in my opinion is hypocrisy when Frank has shown time and time again that he can. Yes and you did say that it was ok for Cap to KO Thunderball[B] I have the quotes at the end of the post.[B]
Cap has consistently hurt or KOed Bricks, Frank has consistently shown he has the ability to shoot superhumans. Hell Cap even has lots of showings were he has problems KOing bricks.

Originally posted by jinzin

Which is why it's not likely for Cap to KO a brick in a forum fight hence why it's hella not likely he'll KO Luke Cage..

If you dont think that fine, but my main point was that if a person thinks that Cap can KO Thunderball its hypocritical to say he cant KO luke cage because Thunderball is more durable...simple.

Originally posted by jinzin

again you're fabricating in you mind that Cap KOing bricks with punches and kicks is an argument I support.. it's not it's just one you made up and started pretending that I said.. It's childish, transparent, and completely ridiculous...

Then why the hell did you say he could do it then? Ok you stated that its not standard for him to KO bricks but that statment gave the impression that you thought it was ok, but you did clarify afterwards.

Originally posted by jinzin

Plus in terms of sheer stopping power Cap's head and shoulders above Punisher...
Cap can either knock him out with a shield sling or with his "Thunderball KOing" fists o' doom...
You know Captain America's batted around the wrecker right?

Originally posted by jinzin

And While Frank may be able to consistently shoot superhuman's he consistently misses spiderman.. his ability to shoot him ONCE doesn't negate the dozen other times he's missed, or more dangerous weapons systems have missed, or more threatening fire have missed.. you keep pretending that it does though, just grasp at those straws boy!

Yeah well I could say that Wolverine shouldnt take shots from the Hulk when hes been KOed by Pip The Troll

Originally posted by jinzin

Well for one, you practically said it's flat out "implausible" and two, you asked for an explaination... I gave you several.. I didn't accuse you of anything I simply retalitated to your post.. there was no accusation there. 😐

Yeah well whats this then?

Originally posted by jinzin

There's no excuse for a response like yours getting all riled and attacking Wolverine's character when he had nothing to do with this debate.. don't be a hypocrite...

Originally posted by jinzin

Actually, yup, you are the one with a problem.. a major one if you couldn't tell that I was mocking you there.. again, look at your first post, YOU said that it was Ok for Cap to KO Thunderball... NOT ME.. YOU.. I mocked you for it... simple as..... and you say I don't understand simple concepts? jeeesh.

Boy I said its not ok to say that you can KO Thunderball and then say he cant KO Luke Cage.

Originally posted by jinzin

hmmm 400 pounds like a bo staff

or push pressing a roughly 200 lb man?

Is it a bad feat? No.
Is it a feat that comes close to DD's? naaah.

If you can throw 200lbs for several meters EASILY the it could be argued that you can use a 400 pounds like a BO staff.

Originally posted by jinzin

After DD's thrown it at him.. even then he's only had like a 50/50 success rate there..

Actually thats a 100 percent success rate everytime DD has thrown his baton and Frank has a gun he has deflected it.

Originally posted by jinzin

in terms of h2h combat DD's proven his speed.

Your not telling me anything I dont know.

Originally posted by jinzin

I disagree.. I think DD's feats are far more consistent and better to a point that makes a huge margin, in terms of best out of ten they stagger the results completely in DD favor.

Well Frank has some feats that show he can hang with him.

Originally posted by jinzin

ARE... YOU... SERIOUS????? 😐

😆
hysterical

OMG...

Frank has made numerous suggestions and I think even flat out stated that DD was far superior to him in SKILL.. he's stated that DD can mop the floor with him in h2h combat.. and DD proved it.. NUMEROUS occasions..
With radar senses Punisher MIGHT do better.. but there shouldn't even be an argument on who has more martial art knowledge.. this is just getting to the point of absurdity.

Well ok list the MAs that DD knows.

Originally posted by jinzin

No one said he was perfect.. but it's an advantage and.. hey wait, you just practically ADMITTED it was an advantage right above this quote.. SEE you're just arguing for the sake of arguing..

Er the point is that it doesnt give him a HUGE advantage....context.

Originally posted by jinzin

So you think Punisher somehow has more MA knowledge than DD but at the same time admit that DD's more skilled... 🤨
uuuuuuhhhhuh...

Ok heres the post again...

Originally posted by Alfheim

To tell you the truth I think Frank knows more about martial arts in general but DD knows several very well and has radar sense. If Frank has radar sense I can see him kicking the **** out of DD.

Originally posted by jinzin

giving someone a run for there money and still coming out with a loss, is still coming out with a loss..

DD 7 or 8/10 over Punisher..

I could elaborate on this its not a hard concept to understand. If you can give somebody a run for there money that means eventhough you lost you could have won.

Originally posted by jinzin
Here's my stance, if Punisher can't even really stand up to Cap in a straight fight when Cap's fighting off a degenerative disease that's robbing him of all the benefits of his SSS and actually inflicted damage onto his physical health (btw: Cap nailed him with a casual shield toss I think two pages into that fight, could have been a KO but Cap was taking it easy on him, Punisher even admitted he couldn't take Cap then).. then there's little to no chance IN HELL that he'll be able to take a fully functional Captain America... funny.. the more I argue about this, the less likely it seems that Punisher can take ANY victories here.

Ok so Wolverine cant take shots from the Hulk cos a rock wielded by Pip The Troll **** ed him up. Lets just take the low showings and ignore the high showings.

Originally posted by Alfheim
*groan*

Originally posted by Alfheim
No it doesnt.

Uhhh.. yeah it does.. pages worth of confusion kind of attests to that.

Originally posted by Alfheim
The misunderstanding happened because Capt it up thought the last fight was Einnis please EXPLAIN how thats my fault when I didnt say it was EVER.

It's like if I said "That fight were Hulk hit Wolverine and Wolverine got up" It's happened in more than one fight, hence it leads to confusion. If I can own up to messing up the publication dates you can at least own up to your lack of specificity.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Yes it does because you stated that I dont make myself clear to you and other people. Have you forgotten?

What the hell are you talking about? Cap accusing you of something has NOTHING to do with me or THIS discussion.. Your leaps in logic are outstanding.

Originally posted by Alfheim
I couldnt careless you said that Cap can KO thunderball, period and your denying you said it.

Originally posted by Alfheim
I couldnt careless wether you think its standard you said he has the capability of doing it and was using it as evidence, therefore you were using it as evidence to prove how good he is.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Well lets put it this way. I think he can do it but it wont be a walk in the park.

Like I said, you're a joke.

Originally posted by Alfheim
🤨 Do you want to find those quotes now?

Considering that the best evidence of such as been either me mocking you or things I said nearly 4 years ago... 😐

Originally posted by Alfheim
If you dont think that fine, but my main point was that if a person thinks that Cap can KO Thunderball its hypocritical to say he cant KO luke cage because Thunderball is more durable...simple.

DUDE.. OMFG... I DON'T BY AND LARGE THING THAT... YOU FABRICATED IN YOUR HEAD THAT I DO.. I WAS MOCKING YOU PLAIN AND SIMPLE....
Therefore your point is moot in retort to me since I don't think that. 😐

Originally posted by Alfheim
Then why the hell did you say he could do it then?

Are you just like.. only comprhending what parts you like? Oh wait, of course you are.. I don' think he can do it by and large. I told you I was mocking you, now you're just being a friggin idiot..

Originally posted by Alfheim
Ok you stated that its not standard for him to KO bricks but that statment gave the impression that you thought it was ok, but you did clarify afterwards.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Yeah well I could say that Wolverine shouldnt take shots from the Hulk when hes been KOed by Pip The Troll

wow.... 😐 ......Like I said you're grasping at straws not only are you trying to uphold clear and utter longshot PIS like Punisher successfully shooting Spiderman as a standard but you're actually trying to validate it by using JUST AS BAD PIS in Wolverine getting KOed by a rock to the head. Something that not only goes against nearly 400 counter showings but is something that 99% of regular comic book peak humans shouldn't have even been affected by much less Wolverine..

You're a joke...

Originally posted by Alfheim
Yeah well whats this then?

Originally posted by Alfheim
Boy I said its not ok to say that you can KO Thunderball and then say he cant KO Luke Cage.

Originally posted by Alfheim
If you can throw 200lbs for several meters EASILY the it could be argued that you can use a 400 pounds like a BO staff.

Not really, I can push press 170 pounds and toss it into the air, but I can't even come close to swinging that like a bo staff.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Actually thats a 100 percent success rate everytime DD has thrown his baton and Frank has a gun he has deflected it.

And every time DD closes the gap and Frank gets disarmed that 100% ratio doesn't look so pretty anymore.. 😐

Originally posted by Alfheim
Your not telling me anything I dont know.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Well Frank has some feats that show he can hang with him.

Hang? sure..
Win? Not quite so much.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Well ok list the MAs that DD knows.

Off the top of my head he's shown some outstanding proffeciency in paqua, karate, judo, escrima, chin na, the same form as that of the Hand,and they're stated to be proficient in all forms of martial arts.

The fact that you're asking for proof that DD know's more about MA skills than Punisher when DD's learned from a guy like stick reminds me of an.... an...

oh yeah! A JOKE.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Er the point is that it doesnt give him a HUGE advantage....context.

conext? ... uh Thunderball anyone? lol.. the fact that you're trying to dictate context to me is A.. JOKE...

And is that the point?... I mean now that you can backtrack it is perhaps..

Originally posted by Alfheim
Ok heres the post again...

And it sounds just as ridiculous now as it did ethe first time you posted it.

Originally posted by Alfheim
I could elaborate on this its not a hard concept to understand. If you can give somebody a run for there money that means eventhough you lost you could have won.

Not in all cases.. "it's not a hard concept to understand"

Wolverine can give Hulk a run for his money it doesn't mean that he "could" win.. 😐

Originally posted by Alfheim
Ok so Wolverine cant take shots from the Hulk cos a rock wielded by Pip The Troll **** ed him up. Lets just take the low showings and ignore the high showings.

Because he has so many high showings against Cap right? 🙄

I mean that's TOTALLY the same as Wolverine taking hundreds of brick shots and then getting KOed by a rock.. I mean Punisher has HUNDREDS of better showings against people on Cap's level ALL THE TIME RIGHT?

Oh that's right.. NO HE DOESN'T...
You're a joke man, before this "debate" at least I had a bit of respect for you but... damn.. you're being ridiculous here.

Originally posted by jinzin
You call that a response?

Uhhh.. yeah it does.. pages worth of confusion kind of attests to that.

It's like if I said "That fight were Hulk hit Wolverine and Wolverine got up" It's happened in more than one fight, hence it leads to confusion. If I can own up to messing up the publication dates you can at least own up to your lack of specificity.

What the hell are you talking about? Cap accusing you of something has NOTHING to do with me or THIS discussion.. Your leaps in logic are outstanding.

So you don't care about the context under which I said it.. LOL you're a ****ing joke Alf.

Well for one I WAS MOCKING YOU...
for two I told you it doesn't set a standard anyways so it doesn't help you retarded arguments.

Like I said, you're a joke.

Considering that the best evidence of such as been either me mocking you or things I said nearly 4 years ago... 😐

DUDE.. OMFG... I DON'T BY AND LARGE THING THAT... YOU FABRICATED IN YOUR HEAD THAT I DO.. I WAS MOCKING YOU PLAIN AND SIMPLE....
Therefore your point is moot in retort to me since I don't think that. 😐

Are you just like.. only comprhending what parts you like? Oh wait, of course you are.. I don' think he can do it by and large. I told you I was mocking you, now you're just being a friggin idiot..

Because it's not a standard... Sure Cap MIGHT be able to do it, with some decent circumstances.. but by and large it's not happening.

wow.... 😐 ......Like I said you're grasping at straws not only are you trying to uphold clear and utter longshot PIS like Punisher successfully shooting Spiderman as a standard but you're actually trying to validate it by using JUST AS BAD PIS in Wolverine getting KOed by a rock to the head. Something that not only goes against nearly 400 counter showings but is something that 99% of regular comic book peak humans shouldn't have even been affected by much less Wolverine..

You're a joke...

You mean besides you backtracking and taking portions of the conversation out of linear time and context? 😬

And like I said, I don't by and large think that he can.. So you reverting to ad nauseum and pretending that I do doesn't make a difference, no matter how many times you want to insinuate otherwise to help you sleep at night.

Not really, I can push press 170 pounds and toss it into the air, but I can't even come close to swinging that like a bo staff.

And every time DD closes the gap and Frank gets disarmed that 100% ratio doesn't look so pretty anymore.. 😐

Could've fooled me.

Hang? sure..
Win? Not quite so much.

Off the top of my head he's shown some outstanding proffeciency in paqua, karate, judo, escrima, chin na, the same form as that of the Hand,and they're stated to be proficient in all forms of martial arts.

The fact that you're asking for proof that DD know's more about MA skills than Punisher when DD's learned from a guy like stick reminds me of an.... an...

oh yeah! A JOKE.

conext? ... uh Thunderball anyone? lol.. the fact that you're trying to dictate context to me is A.. JOKE...

And is that the point?... I mean now that you can backtrack it is perhaps..

And it sounds just as ridiculous now as it did ethe first time you posted it.

Not in all cases.. "it's not a hard concept to understand"

Wolverine can give Hulk a run for his money it doesn't mean that he "could" win.. 😐

Because he has so many high showings against Cap right? 🙄

I mean that's TOTALLY the same as Wolverine taking hundreds of brick shots and then getting KOed by a rock.. I mean Punisher has HUNDREDS of better showings against people on Cap's level ALL THE TIME RIGHT?

Oh that's right.. NO HE DOESN'T...
You're a joke man, before this "debate" at least I had a bit of respect for you but... damn.. you're being ridiculous here.

Well Christ!
It's like talking to a wall... or rather a babbling brook would be more fitting I suppose...

"you think Cap can KO Thunderball."

Well I don't think that's okay. I mean, cap did but that doesn't mean he can here..

"Why can't Cap KO Luke Cage if you think he can KO thunderball"

ummmm I don't think that it's okay or him to KO thunderball.

"So why do you think he can KO Thunderball?"

I don't.. that's not an argument I'm making here...

"Then why did you say that he could?"

I didn't

" well as long as you think Cap can KO Thunderball you're being a hypocrite."

😬

I mean seriously, his confidence in his own sanity for this argument is actually causing me to lose confidence in mine.. I'm not the only one who sees this nonsense right? 😕

Originally posted by jinzin
Well Christ!
It's like talking to a wall... or rather a babbling brook would be more fitting I suppose...

"you think Cap can KO Thunderball."

Well I don't think that's okay. I mean, cap did but that doesn't mean he can here..

"Why can't Cap KO Luke Cage if you think he can KO thunderball"

ummmm I don't think that it's okay or him to KO thunderball.

"So why do you think he can KO Thunderball?"

I don't.. that's not an argument I'm making here...

"Then why did you say that he could?"

I didn't

" well as long as you think Cap can KO Thunderball you're being a hypocrite."

😬

I mean seriously, his confidence in his own sanity for this argument is actually causing me to lose confidence in mine.. I'm not the only one who sees this nonsense right? 😕

F*ckin OWNAGE !!!

Edit : I read the last few pages and understand your frustration.

Originally posted by JasonK4
😆

F*ckin OWNAGE !!!

Edit : I read the last few pages and understand your frustration.

Whew.. Thank you.. I was beginning to think my killermovies account took a left turn into the twilight zone or something.

Originally posted by jinzin
Whew.. Thank you.. I was beginning to think my killermovies account took a left turn into the twilight zone or something.

So, why did you say Cap can K.O. Thunderball?

😖hifty:

😛 Just messing with you...

Originally posted by JasonK4
So, why did you say Cap can K.O. Thunderball?

😖hifty:

😛 Just messing with you...

Ahhhhhh!

😠

🤣

crazy

Cap did not KO Thunderball.

He stunned him and knocked him down and had him spout out a little blood.

Kind of like how Ultimate Cap stunned Ult Hulk and brought him down for a bit.

To me it seemed like a TKO which still coutns for something.. I mean th guy was down long enough for Cap to divert his attention and he did it with one punch...

I'd say the ULT examples a bit skewed as Cap didn't divert his attention.

Originally posted by jinzin

Uhhh.. yeah it does.. pages worth of confusion kind of attests to that.

Theres only the Thunderball example.

Originally posted by jinzin

It's like if I said "That fight were Hulk hit Wolverine and Wolverine got up" It's happened in more than one fight, hence it leads to confusion. If I can own up to messing up the publication dates you can at least own up to your lack of specificity.

I was more specific than that. Well no thats nobodies fault how as I supposed to know that Einnis wrote a fight were DD got his arm dislocated? Dont tell me read the comic because as you said yoiu got the dates wrong.

Originally posted by jinzin

What the hell are you talking about? Cap accusing you of something has NOTHING to do with me or THIS discussion.. Your leaps in logic are outstanding.

Yes it does! You stated that I dont express myself properly to you and other people.

Originally posted by jinzin

So you don't care about the context under which I said it.. LOL you're a ****ing joke Alf.

Well for one I WAS MOCKING YOU...
for two I told you it doesn't set a standard anyways so it doesn't help you retarded arguments.

I didnt know that so I dont get your humour.

Originally posted by jinzin

Like I said, you're a joke.

Considering that the best evidence of such as been either me mocking you or things I said nearly 4 years ago... 😐

DUDE.. OMFG... I DON'T BY AND LARGE THING THAT... YOU FABRICATED IN YOUR HEAD THAT I DO.. I WAS MOCKING YOU PLAIN AND SIMPLE....
Therefore your point is moot in retort to me since I don't think that. 😐

Are you just like.. only comprhending what parts you like? Oh wait, of course you are.. I don' think he can do it by and large. I told you I was mocking you, now you're just being a friggin idiot..

Like
Because it's not a standard... Sure Cap MIGHT be able to do it, with some decent circumstances.. but by and large it's not happening.

Forget it.

Originally posted by jinzin

wow.... 😐 ......Like I said you're grasping at straws not only are you trying to uphold clear and utter longshot PIS like Punisher successfully shooting Spiderman

Its not PIS because Punisher has shoot and countered people nearly as fast as Spiderman. Its just what people say about Cap beating Spiderman in H2H its PIS despite the fact that it happened in a comic. Double standards or what.

Originally posted by jinzin

as a standard but you're actually trying to validate it by using JUST AS BAD PIS in Wolverine getting KOed by a rock to the head. Something that not only goes against nearly 400 counter showings but is something that 99% of regular comic book peak humans shouldn't have even been affected by much less Wolverine..

By the way Pip The Troll had class 10 strength as well. Thats the whole bloody point. Wolverine shouldnt get knocked out by a rock because he has taken shots from people much stronger. Giving one example of Frank not being able to hang with Cap by itself is not good beacuse Frank has lots of showings that shows that he can hang

Originally posted by jinzin

You're a joke...

You mean besides you backtracking and taking portions of the conversation out of linear time and context? 😬

And like I said, I don't by and large think that he can.. So you reverting to ad nauseum and pretending that I do doesn't make a difference, no matter how many times you want to insinuate otherwise to help you sleep at night.

Just forget it. My bad ive took what you said out of context but you've done that shit to me before more on several occassions. I can own up to it you cant. Heres you claming that you didnt accuse me of anything.

"Well for one, you practically said it's flat out "implausible" and two, you asked for an explaination... I gave you several.. I didn't accuse you of anything I simply retalitated to your post.. there was no accusation there. no expression."

Heres you acussing me of attacking Wolverine character.

"There's no excuse for a response like yours getting all riled and attacking Wolverine's character when he had nothing to do with this debate.. don't be a hypocrite..."[B]

and theres this..

Originally posted by jinzin
[B]
But since you want to be a prattling ****, ok let's do this:
😐

Damn if thats not an attack I dont know what is. When I was never trying to attack his character in the first place, ive been trying to tell you for a hundred years that I wasnt. You called me a prattling little **** and I wanst doing but despite that you think you think its ok and you want to criticise me.

Originally posted by jinzin

Not really, I can push press 170 pounds and toss it into the air, but I can't even come close to swinging that like a bo staff.

Well the average wieght of man is around 200, so you could throw that several meters easily?

Originally posted by jinzin

And every time DD closes the gap and Frank gets disarmed that 100% ratio doesn't look so pretty anymore.. 😐

My point was that Frank has a 100 percent ration in deflecting DDs baton with his gun....nothing else.

Originally posted by jinzin

Hang? sure..
Win? Not quite so much.

Sure.

Originally posted by jinzin

Off the top of my head he's shown some outstanding proffeciency in paqua, karate, judo, escrima, chin na, the same form as that of the Hand,and they're stated to be proficient in all forms of martial arts.

Fair enough.

Originally posted by jinzin

The fact that you're asking for proof that DD know's more about MA skills than Punisher when DD's learned from a guy like stick reminds me of an.... an...

oh yeah! A JOKE.

I wanst under the impression that Stick knew every martial art. JUst because somebody knows more MA doesnt make them a better fighter because somebody can know several more deadly ones that was my point.

My point was that giving the Frank the radars sense would help counter the moves also Frank has amazing damage soak I could see him stomping DD.

Originally posted by jinzin

conext? ... uh Thunderball anyone? lol.. the fact that you're trying to dictate context to me is A.. JOKE...

Accusing me of attacking Wolverines character anyone?

Originally posted by jinzin

And is that the point?... I mean now that you can backtrack it is perhaps..

Here.....we go...again. The radar sense give him an advantage but not a huge advantage. Ok iml backtracking fine.

Originally posted by jinzin

Not in all cases.. "it's not a hard concept to understand"

Wolverine can give Hulk a run for his money it doesn't mean that he "could" win.. 😐

Lets put it this way....somebody who can give a person a run for their money stands a better chance of winning than somebody who gets completely stomped. I

Originally posted by jinzin

Because he has so many high showings against Cap right? 🙄
I mean that's TOTALLY the same as Wolverine taking hundreds of brick shots and then getting KOed by a rock.. I mean Punisher has HUNDREDS of better showings against people on Cap's level ALL THE TIME RIGHT?

1. high showings against DD.
2. High showings against Spiderman.
3. One high showings against Cap.
4. High showing against MK
5. Beating the Reavers.
6. High showings against Wolverine...non Einnis.
7. Killing Scorpio somebody who Wolverine and Nick Fury couldnt kill.
8. Saving DD ass from Rock Trolls.
9. Saving MKs ass from supernatural creatures.
10. Holding off and hurting Ulik.

That list big enough for you?

Theres probably more

Originally posted by jinzin

Oh that's right.. NO HE DOESN'T...
You're a joke man, before this "debate" at least I had a bit of respect for you but... damn.. you're being ridiculous here.

Er yeah he does. See above. 😬

Originally posted by Alfheim
Theres only the Thunderball example.

Originally posted by Alfheim
I was more specific than that. Well no thats nobodies fault how as I supposed to know that Einnis wrote a fight were DD got his arm dislocated? Dont tell me read the comic because as you said yoiu got the dates wrong.

I'm sorry I didn't know that knowing the publication dates of the printed material is the same as having an apprecation or lach there-of for the story printed within those pages.. oh that's right it doesn't.. It may not be what you like to hear but reading a comic IS the answer to that question.. How would you know? Well if you read the comic you would have...
At least me and Cap have a good excuse in that we read so man of them it's easier for us to mix them up.. what's yours? Besides falt out ignorance.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Yes it does! You stated that I dont express myself properly to you and other people.

Cap's beef with you STILL has nothing to do with me since I wasn't involved in the inncident in any way, shape or form..

Hell the fact that you're bringing up another incident isolated from the discussion we're having now where someone else was having problems with you're ability to convey things just kinda goes more to PROVE that you suck at conveying them.. it doesn't help your case.. whatever case it is you're trying to make here.

Originally posted by Alfheim
I didnt know that so I dont get your humour.

Ah so NOW the context matters? pffft. 🙄

Originally posted by Alfheim
Forget it.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Its not PIS because Punisher has shoot and countered people nearly as fast as Spiderman. Its just what people say about Cap beating Spiderman in H2H its PIS despite the fact that it happened in a comic. Double standards or what.

Oh nevermind, there you go digging that hole again.. How deep are you goona make that grave Alf?

Uhh Yeah it STILL IS PIS... The speed gap between Spiderman and most skill street levels is relatively the same, Spiderman's not ahead by a large margin.. what makes Spiderman so damned hard to shoot is his Spidersense; that coupled with his reflexive speed and ability of contortion makes him damn near impossible to shoot.
to SHOOT.. not to hit with a fist but TO SHOOT.
Plenty of heroes and villains have been able to lay their mits on Spiderman; how many have successfully shot him? uhhh like 3.. and one of those was in a non 616 timeline. For your Cap example; Cap among other Street levels have been giving Spiderman hell in hand to hand combat since the characters incarnation. It's a standard for Spiderman to have trouble with skilled streeters, furthermore it's a standard, for him to have trouble with Captain America, and Steve's proven it 5 out of 5 times.. that sets a standard, standards are what eliviate the ideals of PIS...
How many times has Punisher shot Spiderman? uhhh once.. how many times has he missed? A lot more than once.. There's no standard there.. Even if you wipe away Spiderman's ENTIRE history down to JUST his conflicts with Punisher ALONE, it's STILL well in the realms of PIS.. How you can't accept that is beyond lunacy.

And you still don't quite get the concept of a double standard or how to apply it into an argument.

Originally posted by Alfheim
By the way Pip The Troll had class 10 strength as well.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Thats the whole bloody point. Wolverine shouldnt get knocked out by a rock because he has taken shots from people much stronger. Giving one example of Frank not being able to hang with Cap by itself is not good beacuse Frank has lots of showings that shows that he can hang

The only fight he had with Cap, he admitted inferiority and displayed it too. You can't call PIS on that lest you're grasping at straws to make your crushes look better than they are or to argue for the sake of arguing, both of which you are doing.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Just forget it. My bad ive took what you said out of context but you've done that shit to me before more on several occassions. I can own up to it you cant. Heres you claming that you didnt accuse me of anything.

you said I accused you of something that had to do with Wolverine, the Hulk and PIS...

None of those were accusatins i've ever made, you said that Wolverine taking brick shots was implausible and you dictated what should happen when he gets hit thus eliviating all his showings that dictate the opposite of your theories, hence the attack on his character.. it's not that hard to figure out.

Originally posted by Alfheim
and theres this..

Originally posted by Alfheim
Damn if thats not an attack I dont know what is...

Originally posted by Alfheim
When I was never trying to attack his character in the first place, ive been trying to tell you for a hundred years that I wasnt. You called me a prattling little **** and I wanst doing but despite that you think you think its ok and you want to criticise me.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Well the average wieght of man is around 200, so you could throw that several meters easily?

Originally posted by Alfheim
My point was that Frank has a 100 percent ration in deflecting DDs baton with his gun....nothing else.

Well NOW that's your point, now that you've backtracked.. in spite of the baton blocking feat being brought up to counter DD's proven advantage in sheet speed. 😐

Originally posted by Alfheim
I wanst under the impression that Stick knew every martial art. JUst because somebody knows more MA doesnt make them a better fighter because somebody can know several more deadly ones that was my point.

Well it doesn't matter anyway since, you're original point, you know the one you tried to make BEFORE the backtracking, was that Punisher had more MA knowledge, but since DD isn't one of those people limited to few forms of combat and Punisher ISN'T one of those people who knows more, your new point is as moot as your original was.

Originally posted by Alfheim
My point was that giving the Frank the radars sense would help counter the moves also Frank has amazing damage soak I could see him stomping DD.

Well what you "see" and what's consistently portrayed in comics and even admitted by Punisher himself are clearly worlds apart.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Accusing me of attacking Wolverines character anyone?

Well since you kinda... y'know... DID an' all.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Here.....we go...again. The radar sense give him an advantage but not a huge advantage. Ok iml backtracking fine.

An advantage is an advantage, and Punisher really doesn't have anything to nullify it or equalize it out.. And yeah it IS a huge advantage. I guess a spider sense isn't a huge advantage in combat either right? 🙄
Well at least you can admit to the backtracking now.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Lets put it this way....somebody who can give a person a run for their money stands a better chance of winning than somebody who gets completely stomped. I

Originally posted by Alfheim
1. high showings against DD.

Originally posted by Alfheim
2. High showings against Spiderman.

Originally posted by Alfheim
3. One high showings against Cap.

Originally posted by Alfheim
4. High showing against MK

Originally posted by Alfheim
5. Beating the Reavers.

Originally posted by Alfheim
6. High showings against Wolverine...non Einnis.

Originally posted by Alfheim
7. Killing Scorpio somebody who Wolverine and Nick Fury couldnt kill.

Originally posted by Alfheim
8. Saving DD ass from Rock Trolls.
9. Saving MKs ass from supernatural creatures.

Originally posted by Alfheim
10. Holding off and hurting Ulik.

Originally posted by Alfheim
That list big enough for you?

Originally posted by Alfheim
Er yeah he does. See above. 😬

Or um NO HE DOESN'T since out of that crappy and pathetic list of 9 characters the only ones that were really comparible to Cap were Spidey, DD, and Wolvie and all of them beat on Punisher more than anything else, ties included.

You're still a joke.. stop waisting my time.

Cap wins 8/10. Frank has some low showings against superhumans but has lots of good showings as well thats why he gets 2/10. Cant by assed with this anymore **** it.

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