Originally posted by TheGame17
i think sometimes the character changes in certain circumstances..
but if any character is consistent in comics, its the punisher. he's still got only one thing on his mind: killing bad guys.but anyway, after seeing how punisher had captain america at gun point after plopping his shield onto the ground, i give this to Punisher
6/10
Thats his frame of mind rather than his history...
Even with his respect for Cap, hes still waging a war on crime and wasting bad guys.
Thats one instance, there is another scan Alf posted which had him hit Cap and then run because as he said himself hand to hand he loses, so he wanted to out run him and if he couldn'...well he had a gun.
Even having Cap sheild less and pointing a gun at him, impressive as it is, still doesn't guarentee Cap isn't going to dodge.
You can't really base a majority on one scan, Alf is a huge Punisher fan and hes not doing that, just using it as evidence that Frank can steal a few wins here, which I agree with.
I must say, Punisher's feats peaked when he was first introduced. He has either declined in power or other characters have become stronger. Either way frank can still take punishment on a near superhuman level and keep coming, frank will utilize his dirty tactics, and he will not let his respect for cap get in the way. I take into consideration bloodlust, cap usually fights fair, while frank fights dirty all the time, ball shots, biting, ripping at eyes and stoping while on the ground using enviornment as a weapon are all part of his fighting style.
Originally posted by Hercules
Thats his frame of mind rather than his history...Even with his respect for Cap, hes still waging a war on crime and wasting bad guys.
Thats one instance, there is another scan Alf posted which had him hit Cap and then run because as he said himself hand to hand he loses, so he wanted to out run him and if he couldn'...well he had a gun.
Even having Cap sheild less and pointing a gun at him, impressive as it is, still doesn't guarentee Cap isn't going to dodge.
You can't really base a majority on one scan, Alf is a huge Punisher fan and hes not doing that, just using it as evidence that Frank can steal a few wins here, which I agree with.
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Originally posted by jgiant
I must say, Punisher's feats peaked when he was first introduced. He has either declined in power or other characters have become stronger.
Hes just badly written he should have got better as well.
Originally posted by jgiant
Either way frank can still take punishment on a near superhuman level and keep coming, frank will utilize his dirty tactics, and he will not let his respect for cap get in the way. I take into consideration bloodlust, cap usually fights fair, while frank fights dirty all the time, ball shots, biting, ripping at eyes and stoping while on the ground using enviornment as a weapon are all part of his fighting style.
Knowing Frank he'll rip off his own arm and beat Cap with it or something. 😂
Originally posted by Alfheim
What reasoning there is no reasoning. Soljer has a habit of ignoring evidence. Cap can KO Thunderball but cant KO Luke Cage. BP is faster than Wolverine but Elecktra is still better than him, despîte all the evidence to show how good the Punisher is he still loses 10/10.
Get off my sack, son. My earlier post about Captain America only losing if Sharan Carter is there to finish him off was a joke reference to Cap's death. Jesus-H.
Originally posted by jinzin
You DO realize that I was trying to help you here right? That I was in part agreeing with you?
(sigh)But since you want to be a prattling ****, ok let's do this:
😐Punisher IS just a guy with a gun compared to the likes of Captain America.. No matter how much training he got in and before Viet-Nam his level of skill is not nor will never be as good as Captain America's..
Is he a good fighter? Of course.. is he good enough to beat Captain America in a straight fight? HELL NO... (You want to argue otherwise, go ahead, I'll call upon all the times you reference Wolverine against top tiers, and what happens when Frank deals with top tiers? he gets his ugly mug kicked in for 20 some odd minutes).Likewise, he totally and utterly lacks the experience that Cap does as well or the strategical mindset (Cap's been fighting in Wars since before Punisher was born).. Yet, unlike Wolverine, Punisher doesn't have superhuman attributes to rely upon and fall back on...
Cap's physically MUCH stronger than Punisher, as well as faster, and on TOP of that he doesn't fatique, where as Punisher trying to keep up at Cap's pace will certainly gas him out making him relatively easy pickings..
Cap's Shield and speed can dodge or block whatever Punisher shoots at him. Captain America has made an entire career and a half dodging bullets in battle and no selling whole platoons of soldiers or gangs of henchmen even back in his rookie days... And, while Punisher's bullets run out, Cap's shield won't plain and simple...
Then we've got CIS coming into play.. Punisher has an admitted block when it comes to raising a hand to Captain America.. Where as the Cap has an obvious distaste for Frank.
Plus in terms of sheer stopping power Cap's head and shoulders above Punisher...
Cap can either knock him out with a shield sling or with his "Thunderball KOing" fists o' doom...
You know Captain America's batted around the wrecker right?In terms of sheer reflexes what's Frank gonna throw at Cap that Cap can't evade or block? Seriously?
Cap can hit Skrulls that move so fast they look like they're teleporting with his shield... you really don't think Cap could easily PWN Punisher when Pun isn't even fast enough to perceive Elektra's movements?Oh wait, this is the part where you call PIS right? PIS on ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING that makes your argument look like anything less than the facade it usually.. no make that ALWAYS is.. But hell let's ignore the fact that the claim to PIS is totally subjective... especially when someone's using it in defense of one of the loves of their life... lets use handbooks when they suit you, comic PIS loaded events.. when it suits you... HELL, you like to use FAN REVIEWS when it suits you're purposes.. but let's omit anything that conflicts with your bias opinions right?
And let's face it, they ARE for the most part opinions since you hardly EVER bring facts down to the table, just what you "heard about" or "read about once".. 😂
PIS indeed.
Which brings us to why I'm laying this ownage upon you in the first place...
You want to try and make since of Captain America KOing someone who has enough durability to stand up to punches from GODS AND DEMONS, you want to imply that him KOing a man who's falling out of skyscrapers and got up with a whistle is OK... but then you have the AUDACITY to turn around and condemn Wolverine's physiology?
What the hell is the matter with you?
You want to talk about what Cap's or Punisher have done in the comics and then turn around that say comic logic is bad?
//omitted Wolverine stuff//
The more you post every day the more I can't help feeling like you're turning into a joke.. I like you Alf, I really do, and I don't want to do this to you, but if you're gonna get so damned uppity any time I even try to converse with you, then this has to be done.
Owned and quite right on all points.
Originally posted by Soljer
Get off my sack, son. My earlier post about Captain America only losing if Sharan Carter is there to finish him off was a joke reference to Cap's death. Jesus-H.
You know what im not even gonna get into that. It seemed you implied that Frank loses 10/10.
Originally posted by Soljer
Owned and quite right on all points.
If you cant understand that saying that Cap can KO Thunderball but cant KO Luke Cage is a contradiction then obvoulsy you dont when someone has or hasnt been owned. So since your so smart and I got owned please explain how Cap can KO Thunderball and cant KO Luke Cage. You said you justify it.
Thunderballs taken shots from Thors hammer and is bulletproof....I dont think current Luke Cage is as durable as Thunderball....do the math.
Also part of his post was irrelevent he was strawmanning he was arguing against point I wanst even arguing against. If you actually read my post properly and the response to it you would have realised that.
Originally posted by jinzinYou want to try and make since of Captain America KOing someone who has enough durability to stand up to punches from GODS AND DEMONS, you want to imply that him KOing a man who's falling out of skyscrapers and got up with a whistle is OK... but then you have the AUDACITY to turn around and condemn Wolverine's physiology?
What the hell is the matter with you?
You want to talk about what Cap's or Punisher have done in the comics and then turn around that say comic logic is bad?
Why would bullets and stabbing/cutting weapons go through Wolverine but not brick punches? hmmmmm I wonder.. I mean it's not like there's TONS of BRICKLIKE characters who suffer from that same affliction.. It's not like there's different TYPES of durability.
It's not like Wolverine's never shown to have above human durability levels, or hell even described as a superhuman.. or sh*t, even given an entire Lupin backstory that solidifies that he's some sort of quasi-wereman which would clearly EXPLAIN his superhuman attributes 'sides the mutation. 🙄
And I mean, it IS like we've totally seen what brick punches do to a person with a healing factor and an admantium skeleton so we clearly KNOW BEYOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT what would happen if they were to be hit.
The more you post every day the more I can't help feeling like you're turning into a joke.. I like you Alf, I really do, and I don't want to do this to you, but if you're gonna get so damned uppity any time I even try to converse with you, then this has to be done.
All that is complete and utter strawman. Im not even arguing against it. If you also cant understand that hes arguing against points im not even arguing about how do you know wether I got owned?
Originally posted by Alfheim
All that is complete and utter strawman. Im not even arguing against it. If you also cant understand that hes arguing against points im not even arguing about how do you know wether I got owned?
That wasn't a strawman, you implied that there was no reasoning behind Soljers opinion that Punisher would go down to Cap 10 times out of 10.. then you said that Punisher wasn't just a guy with a gun.
That post for the most part (non-wolvie related) was simply to show you that the reasoning DOES exist (and one doesn't have to go far outside of common sense to utilize it either 😐...) and that for as badass as the Punisher is he is only a guy with a gun.. something you even admitted later..
Strawman my ass. I didn't attack any positions you never made, I simply stated a large number of facts to show you the reasoning behind the position of someone else.
And you say that I don't understand concepts.. 🙄
Originally posted by jinzin
That wasn't a strawman,
What wasnt a strawman? Please point out the section of your post that I said you were strawmanning because I think your getting things mixed up.
Originally posted by jinzin
you implied that there was no reasoning behind Soljers opinion that Punisher would go down to Cap 10 times out of 10..
Yeah so I was talking to Soljer whats that got to do with you? The part in which I refered to you in the post to Soljer was about the strawman nothing else. So if I dont think 10/10 is justified let Soljer respond to me not you.
Originally posted by jinzin
That post for the most part (non-wolvie related) was simply to show you that the reasoning DOES exist (and one doesn't have to go far outside of common sense to utilize it either 😐...) and that for as badass as the Punisher is he is only a guy with a gun.. something you even admitted later..
Yeah but what did I mean by that? He doesnt have super-soldier serum he doesnt have radar sense but hes obvoulsy not an ordinray guy with a gun if he can shoot Spiderman, get it? Thats why he loses the majority he doesnt have any enhancemenst.
Originally posted by jinzin
Strawman my ass. I didn't attack any positions you never made, I simply stated a large number of facts to show you the reasoning behind the position of someone else.
And you say that I don't understand concepts.. 🙄
Yeah so what was this all about then?
Originally posted by jinzinYou want to try and make since of Captain America KOing someone who has enough durability to stand up to punches from GODS AND DEMONS, you want to imply that him KOing a man who's falling out of skyscrapers and got up with a whistle is OK... but then you have the AUDACITY to turn around and condemn Wolverine's physiology?
What the hell is the matter with you?
You want to talk about what Cap's or Punisher have done in the comics and then turn around that say comic logic is bad?
Why would bullets and stabbing/cutting weapons go through Wolverine but not brick punches? hmmmmm I wonder.. I mean it's not like there's TONS of BRICKLIKE characters who suffer from that same affliction.. It's not like there's different TYPES of durability.
It's not like Wolverine's never shown to have above human durability levels, or hell even described as a superhuman.. or sh*t, even given an entire Lupin backstory that solidifies that he's some sort of quasi-wereman which would clearly EXPLAIN his superhuman attributes 'sides the mutation. 🙄
And I mean, it IS like we've totally seen what brick punches do to a person with a healing factor and an admantium skeleton so we clearly KNOW BEYOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT what would happen if they were to be hit.
The more you post every day the more I can't help feeling like you're turning into a joke.. I like you Alf, I really do, and I don't want to do this to you, but if you're gonna get so damned uppity any time I even try to converse with you, then this has to be done.
Originally posted by Alfheim
What wasnt a strawman? Please point out the section of your post that I said you were strawmanning because I think your getting things mixed up.
Are you serious?
Originally posted by Alfheim
Also part of his post was irrelevent he was strawmanning he was arguing against point I wanst even arguing against.
Originally posted by Alfheim
All that is complete and utter strawman.
😐
And why would I know the what sections ou were talking about it. You said "all that is" seems to me it wasn't about any specific section... are you going crazy or losing braincells?
Originally posted by Alfheim
Yeah so I was talking to Soljer whats that got to do with you?
And I was fine letting it continue to be between you and Soljer until you blew up at me... You bet your ass it had somehing to do with me after that.
Originally posted by Alfheim
The part in which I refered to you in the post to Soljer was about the strawman nothing else. So if I dont think 10/10 is justified let Soljer respond to me not you.
Again WTF? None of that was strawmanning.. I told you what it was..
Originally posted by Alfheim
Yeah but what did I mean by that? He doesnt have super-soldier serum he doesnt have radar sense but hes obvoulsy not an ordinray guy with a gun if he can shoot Spiderman, get it?
Lol, There you go again.. Yes he IS just a guy with a gun.. you may WANT to give him more credit than that, but at the end of the day his physicality, his training and skill, and hell even his intelligence is pretty normal for any half rate human heroes in the comic world.. Again you like to call PIS on whatever doesn't suit your arguments but you try to somehow validate that Punisher shooting Spiderman was okay.. or hell even suggesting that it's some sort of standard.. your ridiculous double standards are out of control.. Do you even know how many bullets Spiderman's dodged in his career? how many lazers or electric bolts? For a person that likes to appeal to PIS it's straight retarded to try and justify that Punisher can shoot Spiderman when you look at the scope of not only Spiderman's entire career, but also in relation to his career with Punisher. 😐
Originally posted by Alfheim
Thats why he loses the majority he doesnt have any enhancemenst.
Guess my post didn't work.. There's PLENTY of reasons why Punisher would lose the majority or even get straight no sold to Captain America and only a few of them have anything to do with enhancements.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Yeah so what was this all about then?
Originally posted by Alfheim
What reasoning there is no reasoning. Soljer has a habit of ignoring evidence. Cap can KO Thunderball but cant KO Luke Cage. BP is faster than Wolverine but Elecktra is still better than him, despîte all the evidence to show how good the Punisher is he still loses 10/10.Ive given the reasons clearly and coherently to why Frank is more dangerous with guns but since you want to ignore why is it when Wolverine gets hit by the Hulk all his flesh doesnt fly off his skeleton due to the impact? Well think about it...when he gets stabbed or shot he still gets wounded a blow from a class 100 should make the flesh fly off his skeleton. In fact that less plausible than Punisher being able to hit Cap and DD with a gun because there is no logic behind it apart from the fact that its a comicbook.
Seriously Alf you're becoming more and more of a joke with each post.. It's embarassing to watch.
Originally posted by jinzin
Are you serious?
The reason why I aksed is because I got the impression you got it twisted.
Originally posted by jinzin
😐
And why would I know the what sections ou were talking about it. You said "all that is" seems to me it wasn't about any specific section... are you going crazy or losing braincells?
Forget it.
Originally posted by jinzin
And I was fine letting it continue to be between you and Soljer until you blew up at me... You bet your ass it had somehing to do with me after that.
Yeah thats because he posted your post dont blame you for saying something but at the end of the day I thought part of your post was irelevant so I had to say that.
Originally posted by jinzin
Again WTF? None of that was strawmanning.. I told you what it was..
Well we shall see.
Originally posted by jinzin
Lol, There you go again.. Yes he IS just a guy with a gun.. you may WANT to give him more credit than that, but at the end of the day his physicality, his training and skill, and hell even his intelligence is pretty normal for any half rate human heroes in the comic world.. Again you like to call PIS on whatever doesn't suit your arguments
Whatever.
Originally posted by jinzin
but you try to somehow validate that Punisher shooting Spiderman was okay.. or hell even suggesting that it's some sort of standard.. your ridiculous double standards are out of control.. Do you even know how many bullets Spiderman's dodged in his career? how many lazers or electric bolts? For a person that likes to appeal to PIS it's straight retarded to try and justify that Punisher can shoot Spiderman when you look at the scope of not only Spiderman's entire career, but also in relation to his career with Punisher. 😐
This is basically hypocrisy I could say the samething about Captain Americe being able to KO Thunderball and Bricks.
Originally posted by jinzin
Guess my post didn't work.. There's PLENTY of reasons why Punisher would lose the majority or even get straight no sold to Captain America and only a few of them have anything to do with enhancements.
Well just keep ignoring evidence. Frank dislocates DDs arm and busts him up and almost kills him on another ocassion but he still loses 10/10. Just ignore evidence.
Originally posted by jinzin
🤨
Gee I dunno a response to THIS nonsense:Seriously Alf you're becoming more and more of a joke with each post.. It's embarassing to watch.
Yeah but you didnt even understand it. If you dont even understand what im saying you cant call it nonsense.
Pretty please with sugar on top. EXPLAIN WHY you think its nonsense.
Maybe I misunderstand what you're trying to say, but please explain so we can know for sure.
Originally posted by jinzinYou want to try and make since of Captain America KOing someone who has enough durability to stand up to punches from GODS AND DEMONS, you want to imply that him KOing a man who's falling out of skyscrapers and got up with a whistle is OK... but then you have the AUDACITY to turn around and condemn Wolverine's physiology?
What the hell is the matter with you?
You want to talk about what Cap's or Punisher have done in the comics and then turn around that say comic logic is bad?
Why would bullets and stabbing/cutting weapons go through Wolverine but not brick punches? hmmmmm I wonder.. I mean it's not like there's TONS of BRICKLIKE characters who suffer from that same affliction.. It's not like there's different TYPES of durability.
It's not like Wolverine's never shown to have above human durability levels, or hell even described as a superhuman.. or sh*t, even given an entire Lupin backstory that solidifies that he's some sort of quasi-wereman which would clearly EXPLAIN his superhuman attributes 'sides the mutation. 🙄
And I mean, it IS like we've totally seen what brick punches do to a person with a healing factor and an admantium skeleton so we clearly KNOW BEYOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT what would happen if they were to be hit.
The more you post every day the more I can't help feeling like you're turning into a joke.. I like you Alf, I really do, and I don't want to do this to you, but if you're gonna get so damned uppity any time I even try to converse with you, then this has to be done.
Originally posted by Alfheim
This is basically hypocrisy I could say the samething about Captain Americe being able to KO Thunderball and Bricks.
How is this hypocrisy on MY behalf?
Since, you know, I'M not the one trying to validate that Cap should be able to knock out Thunderball OR any other bricks. 😬
Originally posted by Alfheim
Well just keep ignoring evidence. Frank dislocates DDs arm and busts him up and almost kills him on another ocassion but he still loses 10/10. Just ignore evidence.
I'm not ignoring anything. 🤨
Punisher being able to beat DD two or three out of the 7 times they've fought doesn't validate that he can beat Captain America.. well.. AT ALL actually. Especially when the bulk of those pro-punisher examples come from Garth Ennis.
You're the one ignoring evidence by pretending that Ennis' admitted bias had no influence on the outcome of those fights and clearly KNOWING that DD has kicked the Punisher's ass more times and the other way around, and yet STILL continuing to present the opposite as a standard.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Yeah but you didnt even understand it. If you dont even understand what im saying you cant call it nonsense.
I understood it just fine; You're giving yourself entirely too much credit here.
Let me ask you something Alf; If EVERYONE you debate against has trouble understanding your concepts, theories and arguments (because I've seen you fall back on this type of copout before against half a dozen other people off the top ofmy head)... have you considered that maybe it's not because they can't grasp concepts but perhaps because you just absolutely SUCK at conveying them?
I mean, if what you're saying is true, and you're NOT backtracking in these arguments to help your ass save some face, then the only other explaination is that you simply do a craptastic job of saying what you MEANT when you decided to say it.
Because, to be frank, you don't exactly strike me as one of genious level intellect that would leave us all baffled in front of our computer screens at home... Well not baffled due to awe anyways.. baffled due to nonsensical rantings perhaps.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Pretty please with sugar on top. EXPLAIN WHY you think its nonsense.
That's easy:
Cap being able to KO Thunderball, Cap's possibility to KO Luke Cage, Black Panther's supposed speed advantage over Wolverine, ELEKTRA, Wolverine's ability to take punishement from bricks, OR the explanation behind any one of those things has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with this thread, the fight, OR Soljers opinion of the fight's outcome. Thus, you ranting on about all of those things at once is nothing more than a bunch of nonsense. 😐
Originally posted by jinzin
How is this hypocrisy on MY behalf?
Since, you know, I'M not the one trying to validate that Cap should be able to knock out Thunderball OR any other bricks. 😬
But my point is that it doesnt make any logical sense but hes done it many times so it doesnt matter if it doesnt make sense.
Originally posted by jinzin
I'm not ignoring anything. 🤨Punisher being able to beat DD two or three out of the 7 times they've fought doesn't validate that he can beat Captain America.. well.. AT ALL actually. Especially when the bulk of those pro-punisher examples come from Garth Ennis.
Ive never used any Ennis fights to prove that Punsiher can beat DD
Originally posted by jinzin
You're the one ignoring evidence by pretending that Ennis' admitted bias had no influence on the outcome of those fights and clearly
Yeah where did I use Ennis as proof that Pun can beat DD or Cap? Please show me.
Originally posted by jinzin
KNOWING that DD has kicked the Punisher's ass more times and the other way around, and yet STILL continuing to present the opposite as a standard.
Well thats why Frank loses the majority, so you're just ranting here. Hell even if you look at the fights were DD beats Frank sometimes its just circumstances for example there is one fight were a bullet bounces off the ground and into Franks leg and he lost the fight due to this. Another fight Frank was losing to DD but got KOed because he wanted to get somebody to hospital......but there are some fights that Frank could have possibly won and one where he has.....and thats why I could steal at least two from Cap.
Originally posted by jinzin
I understood it just fine; You're giving yourself entirely too much credit here.Let me ask you something Alf; If EVERYONE you debate against has trouble understanding your concepts, theories and arguments (because I've seen you fall back on this type of copout before against half a dozen other people off the top ofmy head)... have you considered that maybe it's not because they can't grasp concepts but perhaps because you just absolutely SUCK at conveying them?
Well ok lets put it this way. Didnt you just accuse me of using Einnis as evidence in this thread? Could you please show me where I have. If I havent used Einnis and you have said I have that means you have a problem not me. Hell Battlehammer accused me of saying that I said Cap wins the majority against Wolverine, I showed him clearly in black and white were I didnt say that, so again im not the one with the problem.
Originally posted by jinzin
I mean, if what you're saying is true, and you're NOT backtracking in these arguments to help your ass save some face, then the only other explaination is that you simply do a craptastic job of saying what you MEANT when you decided to say it.
Well at least your starting to come around to the possibility that I wasnt backtracking which is a start. 😄 I dont think I did a bad job I did explain in detail the second time what I meant. So even if you misunderstood me the first time I explained it in detail the second time.
Originally posted by jinzin
Because, to be frank, you don't exactly strike me as one of genious level intellect that would leave us all baffled in front of our computer screens at home... Well not baffled due to awe anyways.. baffled due to nonsensical rantings perhaps.
I love you to.
Originally posted by jinzin
That's easy:
Cap being able to KO Thunderball, Cap's possibility to KO Luke Cage, Black Panther's supposed speed advantage over Wolverine, ELEKTRA, Wolverine's ability to take punishement from bricks, OR the explanation behind any one of those things has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with this thread,
Yeah it does my point was that you cant say that Cap can KO Thunderball and not KO Luke Cage my point is that its a contradiction. My point was also that saying that Punisher cant shoot Spiderman but say that Wolverine can take shots from the Hulk is a contradiction.
Originally posted by jinzin
the fight, OR Soljers opinion of the fight's outcome. Thus, you ranting on about all of those things at once is nothing more than a bunch of nonsense. 😐
Did I say that Wolverine taking shots from the HUlk was PIS?
Originally posted by Alfheim
Did you actually see why I said that? 🤨 So let mle get this straight he tells me im a prattling little **** and your telling me that im giving a bad impression? Ok could you please explain how?
i don't like people being patronising, and i particularly dont like it when people condescend and at the same time try to hide it, both of which you were doing...
you aren't the only one i mentioned, so stop acting like i'm picking on you...
Originally posted by jinzin
Punisher being able to beat DD two or three out of the 7 times they've fought doesn't validate that he can beat Captain America.. well.. AT ALL actually. Especially when the bulk of those pro-punisher examples come from Garth Ennis.
punisher beat DD in a fight? written by ennis? and this is the guy they get to write x-men? aww hell...
Originally posted by pr1983
i don't like people being patronising, and i particularly dont like it when people condescend and at the same time try to hide it,
No I wasnt hding anything, for example I clearly called Battlehammer an idiot. 😐
Originally posted by pr1983
both of which you were doing...
Yeah I was being insulting in some cases but that its due to previous discussions but obvoulsy you wouldnt know that. For example Battlehammer constantly keeps telling that I said stuff that I didnt say so you can see why I got pissed off. I try to be polite but sometimes I get pissed off but I wasnt trying to hide anything I thought I was being Frank. For example I called somebody a hypocrite and I explained why I thought he was a hypocrite thats not condesending thats me being....Frank....no pun intended.
Originally posted by pr1983
you aren't the only one i mentioned, so stop acting like i'm picking on you...
Well I was a bit miffed that you didnt have a go at somebody who called me a prattling little **** who I didnt insult.
Originally posted by pr1983
punisher beat DD in a fight? written by ennis? and this is the guy they get to write x-men? aww hell...
Er did you see the scan were Frank beat DD and wasnt Einnis? Did you see the scans were Frank beat the crap out of DD? He lost but it was a close fight.
Originally posted by pr1983
punisher beat DD in a fight? written by ennis? and this is the guy they get to write x-men? aww hell...
Don't worry, Ennis has his odd moments, but he's a very solid writer most of the time and has a lot of experience and well received books under his belt already (which, if you haven't read already, you really should):
Preacher.
Hitman.
Punisher MAX.
And lots more.
Not that it matters, because it's WARREN ELLIS that will be writing AXM 🙄.
Originally posted by Alfheim
No I wasnt hding anything, for example I clearly called Battlehammer an idiot. 😐Yeah I was being insulting in some cases but that its due to previous discussions but obvoulsy you wouldnt know that. For example Battlehammer constantly keeps telling that I said stuff that I didnt say so you can see why I got pissed off. I try to be polite but sometimes I get pissed off but I wasnt trying to hide anything I thought I was being Frank. For example I called somebody a hypocrite and I explained why I thought he was a hypocrite thats not condesending thats me being....Frank....no pun intended.
Well I was a bit miffed that you didnt have a go at somebody who called me a prattling little **** who I didnt insult.
Er did you see the scan were Frank beat DD and wasnt Einnis? Did you see the scans were Frank beat the crap out of DD? He lost but it was a close fight.
seeing as you said this:
Originally posted by Alfheim
Ok People. If ive said anything that pissed anybody off I apologise lets all just chill out....ok? Lets just start again from where we left off but lets try to be polite. Im also not perfect either and have taken what people have said out of context numerous times. 😬
i'll leave it be...
though i fail to see how frank could take matt in a hand to hand fight... dd should walk all over him imo...
Originally posted by Citizen V
Don't worry, Ennis has his odd moments, but he's a very solid writer most of the time and has a lot of experience and well received books under his belt already (which, if you haven't read already, you really should):Preacher.
Hitman.
Punisher MAX.
And lots more.Not that it matters, because it's [B]WARREN ELLIS
that will be writing AXM 🙄. [/B]
shit. 😮
Originally posted by pr1983though i fail to see how frank could take matt in a hand to hand fight... dd should walk all over him imo...
Yeah but bro the scans.😬 Sure DD will win a majority but if you look at their shwoings Frank should be able to get three wins on DD and two on Cap.
Originally posted by Alfheim
This is their first fight. Frank wins.
In their second fight Frank could have won but he turned his back on him. DD states your missing unpurpose.
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Third fight. DD is doing better but Frank doesnt do too badly either.
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Lets look at some which Frank loses......
Franks just manages to deflect DDs baton
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...but the bullet ricohets off the baton onto the ground onto his leg. I dont think DD planed that.
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Frank is on the ground in pain, he could have possibly got DD if he wasnt shot in the leg...anyway Frank has taken more damage than that and kept on moving.
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Heres another one which he loses but bear in mind that it doesnt go completly DDs way but of course DD does better in this fight. Frank deflects DDs baton...again...manages to avoid a throw by DD and thumps in the head with the gun. Sure DD then pressure point him but in the end KOs Frank because hes trying to get the guy to Hospital.
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This is their last fight. Frank beats the crap out of DD but loses.
Originally posted by Alfheimhttp://img403.imageshack.us/my.php?image=daredevilvspunisher6057xo.jpg
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As far as I knwo their are only two other fights were DD beats the crap out of Frank and even in one of those the fights ends up with Frank punching DD so hard he drops his baton.
Who knows I think Frank actually can take more punishment than DD it could be argued in some fights which got interrupted Frank could have evntually won because he takes more damage and fights dirty.
