I don't see the tech as being that big of an issue. A depowered Surfer's canceled out every machine on Earth before, so it likely won't remain functional that long. Also, I never saw Henshaw with any kind of resistance to K-Note(though there may be instances that I'm unaware of) so Henshaw won't fair as well as Supes in that department.
Originally posted by darthgoober
I don't see the tech as being that big of an issue. A depowered Surfer's canceled out every machine on Earth before, so it likely won't remain functional that long. Also, I never saw Henshaw with any kind of resistance to K-Note(though there may be instances that I'm unaware of) so Henshaw won't fair as well as Supes in that department.
Tech has been a problem for SS and that was Earth's tech, not kryptonian tech...
The fortress has tech and devices from all sorts of advanced cultures and even multiversal knowledge.
It's absolutely not fair to Surfer.
Originally posted by Avlon
Tech has been a problem for SS and that was Earth's tech, not kryptonian tech...
Originally posted by Avlon
The fortress has tech and devices from all sorts of advanced cultures and even multiversal knowledge.It's absolutely not fair to Surfer.
Originally posted by Avlon
Tech has been a problem for SS and that was Earth's tech, not kryptonian tech...The fortress has tech and devices from all sorts of advanced cultures and even multiversal knowledge.
It's absolutely not fair to Surfer.
I'm thinking Surfer unleashes an omnidirectional blast that wipes out the whole Fortress, and then he deals with Henshaw mano a mano.
Originally posted by darthgoober
And what do we call that when people don't use the powers that are readily available to them to make less powerful people a threat? Don't we have a specific classification for that...
Even though it's happened quite often?
Funny...looks like tech to me...
Originally posted by darthgoober
The tech that Surfer's manipulated includes the tech of Galactus, the Ovoids, the Microverse, and the tech of Reed and Doom, so I fail to see why you consider Surfer to be screwed here.
Reed, Doom, and Galactus tech have all taken out Surfer as well.
And then there are tech weapons such as these..
Originally posted by masterbruce
I'm thinking Surfer unleashes an omnidirectional blast that wipes out the whole Fortress, and then he deals with Henshaw mano a mano.
The current fortress can rebuild in seconds using sunstone.
It's pretty much back to precrisis type tech.
Henshaw could easily put SS in the phantom zone powerless.
It's a lot more fair in space AWAY from tech.
Originally posted by Avlon
Even though it's happened quite often?Funny...looks like tech to me...
Reed, Doom, and Galactus tech have all taken out Surfer as well.
And then there are tech weapons such as these..
It doesn't matter how often it happens, unless you want to start considering people with NO superspeed to be a threat to guys like Superman(who gets tagged plenty). If you want to get into a scan contest, I guarantee I can find more instances of Surfer easily dealing with tech than you can find of him going down to it.
Originally posted by darthgoober
It doesn't matter how often it happens, unless you want to start considering people with NO superspeed to be a threat to guys like Superman(who gets tagged plenty). If you want to get into a scan contest, I guarantee I can find more instances of Surfer easily dealing with tech than you can find of him going down to it.
It wouldn't make him any less vulnerable to it...check with Black Panther for a recent example.
And disregarding every example with "it doesn't matter" sounds a tad fanboyish.
Originally posted by Avlon
It wouldn't make him any less vulnerable to it...check with Black Panther for a recent example.
I didn't say he'd be less vulnerable to it, I said that it wouldn't be that big of an issue and in a no PIS setting it won't be. Surfer has far more instances of dealing with tech than being taken out by it.
Originally posted by Avlon
And disregarding every example with "it doesn't matter" sounds a tad fanboyish.
Originally posted by darthgoober
I didn't say he'd be less vulnerable to it, I said that it wouldn't be that big of an issue and in a no PIS setting it won't be. Surfer has far more instances of dealing with tech than being taken out by it.
Even when said tech is specifically made to absorb or stop power cosmic?
Originally posted by darthgoober
So all the instances of Supes being tagged by people without a significant level of superspeed are viable evidence then?
Sure, if you want to do the same for Surfer...who already struggles with speed off his board and not traveling.
Originally posted by Avlon
Even when said tech is specifically made to absorb or stop power cosmic?
Originally posted by Avlon
Sure, if you want to do the same for Surfer...who already struggles with speed off his board and not traveling.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Yes actually. That scan you showed with the devices on Surfer, those were specifically designed to drain Surfer. And he overloaded them and then nullified the tech of the guy who put them on him in the first place.
He was recently drained by Black Panther, and was completely helpless against that tech "pac-man."
1 shot to the phantom zone would end this fight quickly among other ways. SS isn't getting out of that one.
Originally posted by darthgoober
I'm pretty sure it's going to hurt Supes more than Surfer. The MAJORITY of Supes wins here on the forum are due to his speed. The majority of Surfer's wins are due to his versatility and overall power. Hell, why would he be off his board in a forum fight anyway?
Actually, I would wager the opposite.
And, considering that this is Henshaw and not Superman...and that Henshaw is WAY more versatile, I don't see how that matters.
P.S. Surfer has been knocked off his board many times.
Originally posted by Avlon
He was recently drained by Black Panther, and was completely helpless against that tech "pac-man."
Originally posted by Avlon
1 shot to the phantom zone would end this fight quickly among other ways. SS isn't getting out of that one.
Originally posted by Avlon
Actually, I would wager the opposite.And, considering that this is Henshaw and not Superman...and that Henshaw is WAY more versatile, I don't see how that matters.
That's right it's Henshaw not Supes, so what kind of resistance has Cyborg shown to K-nite? And it matters because you're trying to limit Surfer by saying that he's f*cked as far as tech goes based on a couple of PIS moments, but at the same time you act like guys with sub light speeds can't touch Supes in a forum fight despite the fact that he's been tagged FAR more times than Surfer's gone down to tech.
Originally posted by Avlon
P.S. Surfer has been knocked off his board many times.
