Originally posted by darthgoober
Does he normally transfer his consciousness in the opening moments of a fight? Hell DID he alter his form in the opening of their fight(not canon for power gauging of course, but IMO an accurate portrayal of their personality).
In that battle they stalemated...and Henshaw and SS were their standard selves.
Originally posted by Avlon
Henshaw is actually MORE resistant to kryptonite than Clark...and that's in a standard kryptonian form.
Originally posted by Avlon
Aren't you trying to debate PIS?So Surfer can scan and try to use Kryptonite, but Henshaw can't do the same to Surfer for his weaknesses or do something he's done before which is become the environment?
I smell double standard.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Well see now you didn't say that. If you had just told me that when I first posted( where I asked in fact) we might not even be having this conversation. How's his resistance to red sun radiation? And what's his big feat as far as K-nite resistance goes?
Honestly, in the mindset you seemed to have, I doubt you would have listened.
Henshaw stood directly in front of a meteor made of kryptonite and while it was deadly to Superman, it only weaknened him. The red sun thing has never been discussed or shown. Seeing as how much resistance standard Supes has to K radiation, it would be much much harder to take out borg with it...and that's only if Borg stays in pure kryptonian form. He has and can alter his form and transfer his mind at will.
Needless to say, in a standard vs match, they both have access to exploitable weaknesses on each other. It's a totally different battle than Superman vs Surfer.
Originally posted by darthgoober
I didn't say that Henshaw couldn't scan Surfer for weaknesses if it's in character for him to do so. And I didn't suggest that he wouldn't shift his consciousness, it just doesn't seem like would do it right off the back. Of course now that I think about it, he'd know that it was in Surfer's powers to put him down so he might do just that. Hmm....I need to think about this now.
Both have different ways of accomplishing the same things. In this scan he tells the Eradicator that he can make a weapon suited to each character he fights. Considering he was fighting 4 Super clones simultaneously, it's safe to say he can do it on the fly.
One day I'll sit and do a respect thread for the guy...he's got some nice feats under his belt.
Originally posted by Avlon
Honestly, in the mindset you seemed to have, I doubt you would have listened.
The mindset I was in? Don't act like I'm the one who made this into a big thing. Do even remember how this started?
Right out of the gate you just pronounced that Henshaw stomped Surfer because of the tech available in the fortress...
Originally posted by Avlon
Agreed. Putting him inside the fortress of solitude is overkill though, Henshaw would curbstomp SS with that type of tech everywhere.A fight in space would probably be a lot more fair.
So I pointed out that Surfer has a significant ability to cancel out machinery, and brought up that I was unaware of any k-nite resistance he had which seemed to be a viable tactic at the time...
Originally posted by darthgoober
I don't see the tech as being that big of an issue. A depowered Surfer's canceled out every machine on Earth before, so it likely won't remain functional that long. Also, I never saw Henshaw with any kind of resistance to K-Note(though there may be instances that I'm unaware of) so Henshaw won't fair as well as Supes in that department.
So you brought up the variety of tech in the fortress and implied that Surfer's bad showings against tech were numerous, when the opposite is actually true(he's got a few bad ones, but a far greater number of good showings)...
Originally posted by Avlon
Tech has been a problem for SS and that was Earth's tech, not kryptonian tech...The fortress has tech and devices from all sorts of advanced cultures and even multiversal knowledge.
It's absolutely not fair to Surfer.
So I pointed out that Surfer's falling to tech is normally no more than PIS and listed the variety of tech that Surfer has dealt with since the variety of tech available seemed to be like a big deal to you...
Originally posted by darthgoober
And what do we call that when people don't use the powers that are readily available to them to make less powerful people a threat? Don't we have a specific classification for that...The tech that Surfer's manipulated includes the tech of Galactus, the Ovoids, the Microverse, and the tech of Reed and Doom, so I fail to see why you consider Surfer to be screwed here.
Then you brought up a couple of the low showings...
Originally posted by Avlon
Even though it's happened quite often?Funny...looks like tech to me...
Reed, Doom, and Galactus tech have all taken out Surfer as well.
And then there are tech weapons such as these..
So I brought up Superman(who I know your a fan of) because he also has plenty of instances of NOT using the powers that are available to him because I figured you could see the comparison there. I even suggested that we weight the good scans against the bad and see which was more numerous to convince you,..
Originally posted by darthgoober
It doesn't matter how often it happens, unless you want to start considering people with NO superspeed to be a threat to guys like Superman(who gets tagged plenty). If you want to get into a scan contest, I guarantee I can find more instances of Surfer easily dealing with tech than you can find of him going down to it.
So you brought up ANOTHER low showing, and said that I was being "fanboyish"...
Originally posted by Avlon
It wouldn't make him any less vulnerable to it...check with Black Panther for a recent example.And disregarding every example with "it doesn't matter" sounds a tad fanboyish.
So don't act like I'm the one that came looking for trouble here. You never addressed the k-nite issue and all you did was cling to Surfer's low showings to support your case. If you had actually contributed to the conversation this whole thing would have been different.
Originally posted by darthgoober
The mindset [B]I was in? Don't act like I'm the one who made this into a big thing.[/B]
You did. So do you want to keep going with that or did you want me to answer your questions?
If that is how you are going to act when I step off the debate to a more neutral ground, let me know. I won't bother with the rest of that post since anyone can read the last few pages and can make up their own mind.
Originally posted by Avlon
You did. So do you want to keep going with that or did you want me to answer your questions?If that is how you are going to act when I step off the debate to a more neutral ground, let me know. I won't bother with the rest of that post since anyone can read the last few pages and can make up their own mind.
Originally posted by darthgoober
The Hell I did(which anyone who can read can see). But if you finally feel like it then sure, answer the questions.
I'm not worried about you Surfer fanboy. 😛
Seriously though, I answered your questions about kryptonite and the red sun radiation is an unknown variable.
Was there another question I missed?
Originally posted by Avlon
I'm not worried about you Surfer fanboy. 😛Seriously though, I answered your questions about kryptonite and the red sun radiation is an unknown variable.
Was there another question I missed?
Personally, I've never liked to regard the Surfer as someone who always wins, no matter what situation you put him in--though he may, May, have the power and versatility to handle (to some extent) nearly every situation.
There's just no fun in an indomitable character.
That said, I think Cyborg wins because of the home advantage, but I don't think it would be a curbstomp.
Originally posted by Newjak
Quick question.What prevents Surfer from changing the entire Fortress from Advanced Krptonian tech to nothing but sand?
It's infinitely programmable, infinitely configurable, self replicating, and can adapt to anything.
The current fortress was made in seconds out of ice into a ridiculously high tech fortress.
And Cyborg will have complete control over it. Post IC, kryptonian tech seems to have gone back to silver age almost "magic" levels.
Originally posted by Newjak
Because there really doesn't seem to be any reason at all and for some reason I think SS can overpower Supes Tech. No offense but Thanos tech>then Supes.
No offense taken, especially since you're wrong. The original Eradicator program itself was stated to have infinite power. That and on top of all the insane kryptonian tech...Superman has artifacts and tech from enemies he's fought in there. Some of those items are magical as well as technological.
Originally posted by Mindship
Personally, I've never liked to regard the Surfer as someone who always wins, no matter what situation you put him in--though he may, May, have the power and versatility to handle (to some extent) nearly every situation.There's just no fun in an indomitable character.
That said, I think Cyborg wins because of the home advantage, but I don't think it would be a curbstomp.
I agree that it is no fun to have an indomitable character.
In this case, it's a curbstomp. Classic Henshaw and SS would stalemate.
Taking Henshaw, and basically multiplying his power infinitely with insane tech and magical devices is a curbstomp on SS. With PIS turned off and Henshaw going for the kill, the odd's aren't good for Norrin.
Being able to overcome a lot of tech is good, but it still doesn't mean SS overcomes ALL tech. With the right stuff...he's really not hard to take out.
Originally posted by Newjak
Quick question.What prevents Surfer from changing the entire Fortress from Advanced Krptonian tech to nothing but sand?
Because there really doesn't seem to be any reason at all and for some reason I think SS can overpower Supes Tech. No offense but Thanos tech>then Supes.
And how exactly (may I ask) did you come to that conclusion? The "because he's Thanos" argument isn't gonna work here.
Originally posted by AvlonAnd yet it begins as a finite amount. So until you can prove otherwise SS can simply turn it into sand or atomize it all and the planet Earth it is on. There really isn't a reason why he couldn't.
It's infinitely programmable, infinitely configurable, self replicating, and can adapt to anything.The current fortress was made in seconds out of ice into a ridiculously high tech fortress.
And Cyborg will have complete control over it. Post IC, kryptonian tech seems to have gone back to silver age almost "magic" levels.
No offense taken, especially since you're wrong. The original Eradicator program itself was stated to have infinite power. That and on top of all the insane kryptonian tech...Superman has artifacts and tech from enemies he's fought in there. Some of those items are magical as well as technological.
Originally posted by batdude123I came to the conslusion based off of the things his tech has done.
And how exactly (may I ask) did you come to that conclusion? The "because he's Thanos" argument isn't gonna work here.
i.e. Imprison a Warrior Madness Thor with the Power Gem in a shield
i.e. Transport complete armadas and armies to and from planets
i.e. Used it to turn Galactus into a Gun and imprison him
I think that puts Thanos tech higher than Supes considering nothing in his Fortress can duplicate those feats.
Originally posted by TricksterPriestBut you don't know for sure.
..............Newjak, I'm 90% sure the fortress has New Gods tech. And I'm damn sure if it has new gods tech, it has a motherbox..........I'm especially getting sick of the way Goober seems to refuse to get off Surfer's wang.
I on the other hand do know SS can turn the fortress into sand 😛
Plus aren't motherboxes sentient so would Hank even be able to take it over?
Originally posted by Newjak
But you don't know for sure.I on the other hand do know SS can turn the fortress into sand 😛
Plus aren't motherboxes sentient so would Hank even be able to take it over?
And I think the fact that people aren't seeing this for the horrific curbstomp it is, is an indication of bias. stoned
And if Hank could control part of the Source Wall and Apokolips tech, I don't think a motherbox would be a problem. 😉
