Cyborg Superman vs. Silver Surfer

Originally posted by carver9
Darksaint ignores fights. He primarily debates off of space cheese showings. Example, if Kalibak fought Superman 10 times out of 10 and kept up with him and beat him during every occurrence, Darksaint wouldn't count the fights because he will look at the scan where Superman made a sandwich at half light speed and say that Superman was holding back. Even though we have 10 showings out of 10 of Kalibak keeping pace with Superman, it doesn't count due to that one sandwich showing. Fights are irrelevant to him. Cheese fts are his primary.

You guys are idiots 😂

NEARLY TWO YEARS AGO:

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I think it depends on how many showings they have.

Deathstroke has plenty of showings, where, whilst he tags Flash, also has many showings where he is much slower than Flash (hit by bullets, for example).

Therefore, fights don't count as much. Feats do. Because of PIS, or WIS, or whatever, where he has to be shown to be a threat - thus, dumbing down the other side. Why else would Toyman be a fricking threat, lol.

LT? Darkseid? Fights count much more. They don't have as many appearances. ABC scaling is needed. When they enter a fight, it's a pretty damn big deal.

Captain Marvel? He has a fair few appearances. So his feats need to be taken into account. Orion? Fewer - and then, he only seems to be trotted out for fights (he IS the Dog of War, after all). So his fights count for more.

Guess who has more appearances, Surfer or Cyborg Superman 😂

Edit: guess who has more showings, WW or Balder. Kalibak or Superman 😂

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
You guys are idiots 😂

NEARLY TWO YEARS AGO:

Guess who has more appearances, Surfer or Cyborg Superman 😂

Is that the rule on how this works?

Originally posted by XLR87T3
According to Darksaint, fights<feats, so Silver Surfer blowing up planets like balloons is better than Superman destroying moons. I guess Surfer is more powerful then.

Destroys Oa by overloading its core which is a ridiculous showing as it is.

http://i.imgur.com/q0sQLW2.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/pCfhfA6.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/BGqOqDz.jpg

Destroys Mogo.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/23364346/GreenLantern-Annual7-33.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/23364347/GreenLantern-Annual7-34.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/23364348/GreenLantern-Annual7-35.jpg.html

You're acting like only Surfer can destroy planets.

Lol... those showings are lame.

King Carver has spoken.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol... those showings are lame.

Spoken like a true 5 year old.

Originally posted by carver9
Is that the rule on how this works?

It's how I see it. You never seem to grasp it, lol. I'm not saying feats>fights 100% of the time, you blithering idiot.

That's why I specifically mentioned the LT, lol.

But, NEITHER DO I SAY FIGHTS ARE BETTER THAN FEATS 100%OF THE TIME LIKE YOU.

When a character first appears, and is rare, fights count for more. Damage is a good example. His fights count for more than his feats, because he has no feats lol. Rulk was another good example.

But as time goes on, they start getting skewed. Other, new characters take their place. Fights matter less, because they start interacting with other characters more. Daredevil starts knocking Ultrons head off, Spidey starts beating Firelord.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It's how [B]I see it. You never seem to grasp it, lol. I'm not saying feats>fights 100% of the time, you blithering idiot.

That's why I specifically mentioned the LT, lol.

But, NEITHER DO I SAY FIGHTS ARE BETTER THAN FEATS 100%OF THE TIME LIKE YOU.

When a character first appears, and is rare, fights count for more. Damage is a good example. His fights count for more than his feats, because he has no feats lol. Rulk was another good example.

But as time goes on, they start getting skewed. Other, new characters take their place. Fights matter less, because they start interacting with other characters more. Daredevil starts knocking Ultrons head off, Spidey starts beating Firelord. [/B]

Why are you getting so hostile. Feel like I got you backed in a corner.

First appearance is the thang, huh?

Daredevil beating Ultron would be considered a low showing, not an average. Batman going first cuff against Zoom is a low showing, not an average. This is the problem. You dont know how to weigh averages and your normal showings which is the reason you stick with cheese showings. If Quicksilver gets tagged 99% of the time, this would be an average for him. This just means on average, he just doesn't utilize his speed the way he should and this can not be ignored. Surfer is a casual planet buster that can go intangible, create duplicates of himself, absorb energy, matter manipulate, bfr, trap people in his board, snatch your soul out of your body, shape shift (the list is long). I haven't seen a single marvel fan with some kind of sense go into a Surfer thread saying he would do all of this. No Herald could beat a Surfer utilizing all of his abilities. The guy just screamed and ripped a hole in space. What I'm getting at here is, the same people that stick with "certain" type of cheese fts dossnt apply that across the board (Darksaint, ABHI, etc...) whereas they mention low showings from fights to justify it not being a valuable debating tactic when it's used against the character they are debating against. Fights count. Learn how to differentiate low showings from average and high showings.

Originally posted by abhilegend
😂

Spoken like a true 5 year old.

Originally posted by abhilegend
😂

Spoken like a true 5 year old.

I'm sure you can post better showings than those. Surfer straight up destroys planets... no need to overload it. And Mogo? Funny.

Originally posted by carver9
I'm sure you can post better showings than those. Surfer straight up destroys planets... no need to overload it. And Mogo? Funny.

How's Mogo funny?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah because overloading a planet which stores universal level energies is lower than destroying some random planet.

How's Mogo funny?

Adding power on top of power. Great showing.

Sigh!!!

Originally posted by carver9
Why are you getting so hostile. Feel like I got you backed in a corner.

Lol, not at all. I am hostile because two years ago, I said this:

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I think it depends on how many showings they have.

I have, on MANY occasions, said we take BOTH feats AND fights.

Then what do you then go and say?

Originally posted by carver9
Darksaint ignores fights. ......Fights are irrelevant to him.

Which is a barefaced lie. So, I'm hostile NOT because you have me supposedly backed into a corner. But because you keep misunderstanding and misrepresenting me.

First appearance is the thang, huh?

Daredevil beating Ultron would be considered a low showing, not an average. Batman going first cuff against Zoom is a low showing, not an average. This is the problem. You dont know how to weigh averages and your normal showings which is the reason you stick with cheese showings. If Quicksilver gets tagged 99% of the time, this would be an average for him. This just means on average, he just doesn't utilize his speed the way he should and this can not be ignored.

Here's the problem with Quicksilver (and others):

Full Capacity
It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise. That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first millisecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.

Forum rules stipulate we DO ignore the 99% of the times Quicksilver gets tagged. You have a problem with it, get a petition going. GG.

Surfer is a casual planet buster that can go intangible, create duplicates of himself, absorb energy, matter manipulate, bfr, trap people in his board, snatch your soul out of your body, shape shift (the list is long). I haven't seen a single marvel fan with some kind of sense go into a Surfer thread saying he would do all of this. No Herald could beat a Surfer utilizing all of his abilities.

The guy just screamed and ripped a hole in space. What I'm getting at here is, the same people that stick with "certain" type of cheese fts dossnt apply that across the board (Darksaint, ABHI, etc...) whereas they mention low showings from fights to justify it not being a valuable debating tactic when it's used against the character they are debating against. Fights count. Learn how to differentiate low showings from average and high showings.

1000000000% agree, fights DO count. See how you once more misunderstand me?

Maybe this analogy will help you.

Look, you're the one who keeps saying Lanterns are weak against bricks. Why? Because EVERYTIME they go up against a brick, they get their asses handed to them.

Heralds are weak against Batman (and streets). Why? Because everytime a herald and street fight with each other, the heralds suddenly become weakened to the point that the streets can affect them.

Here is another post from me:

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
You're not understanding my point.

It depends on the number of showings they have, total.

Billy has quite a few showings. So his feats need to be taken into account, more than his fights.

Gladiator does not (relative to Billy). So his fights count for much more than his feats. He is the same like Orion, who has even fewer showings still.

Hulk has TONS of showings. So his fights and feats are all equal(ish) in weighting.

IOW: if a character has very few appearances (LT, In-Betweener, Orion, Galactus) then their fights are a better gauge of their power.

The more showings a character has, and the more they start interacting with other characters, the more their fights get diluted. Lobo is a good example, as are the Lanterns. You yourself acknowledge, in team books Lobo is less impressive. Lanterns are terrible against bricks. That's when their feats become more of a gauge, where writers don't have to dilute them. Batman and Cap are also good examples of this.

And:

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Not really.

Post Doomsday's lifting feats. I bet he has fewer strength feats, than, say, Amadeus Cho or Jane Thor. Despite having nearly 30 years of showings.

Post Mangog's lifting feats. He's been around for 50 years now.

Bet he has fewer lifting feats than Jane. In a slugfest, no weapons (with a stip that Jane doesn't go back to Make a wish after 15 mins), who wins? Jane, due to her superior lifting?

For most of his history, Ares was a villain. Arguably, he still was even when in the Avengers. They just don't get the lifting feats apart from existing as a foil to the heroes.

Its like I said to Carver once:

Ares has been around for 40+years, yes, but it's not as if he was the Joker or something.

And an older, but related post:

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I say it depends on the character.

Combat feats are usually shown by baddies. How do you show how powerful Black Adam/Despero/Superboy Prime/Doomsday/Gorr/Voidtry is? You have them run a train on your fav heroes.

These guys will brutally smash and rip their opponents apart.

How do you show how powerful Superman/Thor is? You can't have them bullying large groups of villains, well, you could, but it would quickly get boring. Haha look as Superman defeats an entire army....again. Stay tuned next month when he does the same, only with a different army!

Enter, space cheese feats. He needs to save a world - he pushes it out of the way. Hyperion is a doomed last survivor - two universes explode on him.

Obv my thinking has changed a bit since then (that was 2014! I obv don't think it's dependent on the hero/villain thing) but it shows that I've always chosen to use both feats and fights. That post was to you as well, Carv, in your own threads. Sad that you still don't understand.

Carver has DS backed into a corner

Lol 👆

I'm kinda worried he might think you're serious though.

I'm always serious, and I put a lot of effert into Carver9 observations on the forum.
Please don't make a mockery out of what I see on the forum. That post was created after examining all the evidence from a non bias point of view.

I use sarcasm out of fear.