Re: Silver Surfer = Overrated?
Originally posted by Airwalker
Compared to other characters in his tier, such as Gl's(Hal, Kyle, Alan), Thor, Superman, etc, do you find Surfer overrated? People talk a lot about Superman being overrated, but how about Surfer?
In reality? No.
In fact out of all them I find Thor to be the most overrated. I mean he IS on par with them, and rightfully so, but his speed and durability have always been an issue with me.
Originally posted by darthgoober
I've always acknowledged Supes being tagged by people with sublight speed as BS, so I don't see how it could be a double standard on my part. I just used it as an example of some other people's double standards in regards to Supes and Surfer 😉 .
Funny what a short memory you have...considering the one who's brought up speed in another thread was...you.
ME: "Surfer has been taken out by tech and the whole battlefield is differing types that can be used against him by a bodyless foe"
YOU: "Let's bring Superman into it."
Translation: HUH?!
Then a low blow in an opinion thread. tsk tsk.
Goober's arguement is bogus. Since it's been established tech is capable of hurting him, how can Surfer win? The tech in that fortress is more than capable of beating Surfer. Hell, Henshaw could even do what Eradicator did and turn the fortress into a battlesuit. It's like arguing that Surfer can beat Thanos in his own base.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Goober's arguement is bogus. Since it's been established tech is capable of hurting him, how can Surfer win? The tech in that fortress is more than capable of beating Surfer. Hell, Henshaw could even do what Eradicator did and turn the fortress into a battlesuit. It's like arguing that Surfer can beat Thanos in his own base.
Surfer will never beat Thanos tech...he's a Marvel character.
Henshaw on the other hand is DC..but it's ok.
🥷
But nope..no double standards there. 😮
Not looking at all at the thread that you guys are talking about, I will assume that Darth made reference to the fact that he once created machinery out of thin air, then made it go away. Then stating that he should be able to control tech then. Right?
Its hard to determine things like that because direct source material (Thanos vs Surfer) shows us that Thanos > Surfer, but if you look at the bulk of his showings Surfer should be able to at least transmute his tech. But thats just a uneducated opinion knowing little about SS, and even less about Thanos.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Goober's arguement is bogus. Since it's been established tech is capable of hurting him, how can Surfer win? The tech in that fortress is more than capable of beating Surfer. Hell, Henshaw could even do what Eradicator did and turn the fortress into a battlesuit. It's like arguing that Surfer can beat Thanos in his own base.
Originally posted by Avlon
Funny what a short memory you have...considering the one who's brought up speed in another thread was...you.ME: "Surfer has been taken out by tech and the whole battlefield is differing types that can be used against him by a bodyless foe"
YOU: "Let's bring Superman into it."
Translation: HUH?!
Then a low blow in an opinion thread. tsk tsk.
Originally posted by SnazzySmurph
Actually, what I saw was:"Surfer gets pwned by tech!!!"
"Only if his abilities are ignored for a weaker opponent... similair to Superman getting hit at sub-liminal speeds"
"... Surfer gets hit by slow stuff too!"
srug
Going to bed now... night all.
Originally posted by Blair Wind
Not looking at all at the thread that you guys are talking about, I will assume that Darth made reference to the fact that he once created machinery out of thin air, then made it go away. Then stating that he should be able to control tech then. Right?Its hard to determine things like that because direct source material (Thanos vs Surfer) shows us that Thanos > Surfer, but if you look at the bulk of his showings Surfer should be able to at least transmute his tech. But thats just a uneducated opinion knowing little about SS, and even less about Thanos.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
But you're trying to claim his control over tech supercedes that of Hank Henshaw, the Cyborg Superman. 🤨
Originally posted by darthgoober
No that's not what I was talking about. I was talking about the time that he shut down every piece of machinery on the planet, and the numerous other times he's been shown the capability disable and manipulate tech with ease.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Goober's arguement is bogus. Since it's been established tech is capable of hurting him, how can Surfer win? The tech in that fortress is more than capable of beating Surfer. Hell, Henshaw could even do what Eradicator did and turn the fortress into a battlesuit. It's like arguing that Surfer can beat Thanos in his own base.
Originally posted by Blair Wind
In reality? No.In fact out of all them I find Thor to be the most overrated. I mean he IS on par with them, and rightfully so, but his speed and durability have always been an issue with me.
Thor is also portrayed as a dumb blondie too often... but mythological Thor was also portrayed as a brawler, not as a cunning fighter. Thor was a person drunk Vikings identified themselves with.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Hopefully this will get moved.Anyway, no, he's not.
Anyone (anyone) with lots of showings will have occasional bad showings. But Surfer more than makes up for his fews low showings with a ton of high-level feats that are both versatile and pwoerful. As far as I'm concerned, he's near the top of the "high herald" tier.
I believe Surfer is a top tier herald, I just find his vs. battles filled with biased. I know people like to complain about Superman, but his showings against above top tier characters, and against top tiers, are more impressive than Surfers.
Originally posted by Dreamcatcher
I believe Surfer is a top tier herald, I just find his vs. battles filled with biased. I know people like to complain about Superman, but his showings against above top tier characters, and against top tiers, are more impressive than Surfers.
Surfer has done pretty well against a lot of characters that are stronger than your average high herald. Didn't he once defeat a guy who had planetary scale reality warping?
While he performs poorly against Thanos, he does very well against other characters that are at least as strong as Thanos, only not as familiar. The Surfer's own series are full of battles like these. Take his fights with the elders of the universe in example, they're not bad. Surfer gave the Runner a fight.
He belongs in the high herald tier. He is the original "high herald" for crying out loud. Do people realize how strong he really is? And how insanely versatile he is?
Originally posted by Dreamcatcher
I believe Surfer is a top tier herald, I just find his vs. battles filled with biased. I know people like to complain about Superman, but his showings against above top tier characters, and against top tiers, are more impressive than Surfers.
Surfer isn't over-rated at all, if we're talking VS forums rules, he's a BEAST because he's so powerful and versatile. Some people don't seem to read the rules though, so somehow Surfer (at his best) = Over-rated Surfer? Nah.
Originally posted by Citizen V
Surfer isn't over-rated at all, if we're talking VS forums rules, he's a BEAST because he's so powerful and versatile. Some people don't seem to read the rules though, so somehow Surfer (at his best) = Over-rated Surfer? Nah.
Extremely powerful and versatile characters = Thor(better record against Surfer than vise versa, and better record against above Top tiers) , and GL's(Kyle, Hal, and Alan)
Surfer vs Thor and GL's(Hal, Kyle, and Alan) = Surfer 7-8/10
Surfer is probably just the flat out hardest person to beat in his level.
And it's generally for the same reason that Superman is basically the king of brawlers.
His versatilely and power covers such a wide range of spectrum.
His strength isn't low and neither is his durability.
His energy output is insane
His ability to manipulate matter and energy is insane.
His telepathy is insane
His speed and reaction times are insane
His only general weakness compared to most other high tiers is that sometimes his strength and durability is regarded as lower.
But a none holding back using all of his abilities to the fullest is just flat out hard to beat.