Originally posted by Quiero Mota
I know that. It's no secret that you don't like him, so it wasn't an unreasonable question. He posts, and then you automatically disagree.
Not true. He and I have agreed on many things. Just not politics and religion. There is nothing automatic about it.
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
I have a son and two nephews in Iraq right now, so I think that gives me a sufficient reason to care.
And you know I mean no disrespect, but that kind of proves my point.
May I ask, why they joined? What do they say about what they're doing over there?
Originally posted by inimalistAs long as they are American citizens or regardless of nationality?
I don't see those as being mutually exclusive...unless he wants his family to kill others...
but it seems all that has been said is that he wants his family and the families of others to be home safe...
And no, they are not mutually exclusive, they need some explaining though.
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Of course; I want them to come home to their families.Why?
Because that's the shitty part about the way this administration is handling this. Rather than tell the families of the men & women who are over there, that their loved ones are fighting and dying for illegitimate reasons based on money, they conflate the concern you have for your loved ones with what it means to be an American. They tell the whole country that if they take exception to the whys and hows of this war, they don't give a shit about their loved ones or their country. You don't strike me as the type to buy it hook, line and sinker. But you have to understand that there are people out there that do. And, I'm sorry to say, but some of them are soldiers themselves.
If I were a soldier, or the family of a soldier, I'd be insulted.
Originally posted by Devil KingWhile I do agree there really isn’t any difference between the “parties”, congress does have access and the right to view almost any information pertaining to what they will be funding. While I do not like Bush I also do not put the blame for the war squarely on his head either, having it continue this long more so than others but it is still not only him that makes the decisions.
I'm gonna have to disagree, pretty much entirely, on the first part of this.The ultimate point that would end up being made if this particular sub-discussion were to continue back and forth, is that there is no democracy in America, much less two different political parties.
Originally posted by Devil King
May I ask, why they joined?
Carlos had always wanted to be a Marine, because of the glorified image of them, and also to see more of the world.
As for my nephews; not sure, probably because they wanted to get away from home and couldn't afford college.
Originally posted by Devil King
What do they say about what they're doing over there?
None of your business.
Originally posted by Bardock42
And why for them and not the Iraqis fighting for their country?
I have no reason to care for them. If you just wanna calll me an ass.hole, then do it.
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Carlos had always wanted to be a Marine, because of the glorified image of them, and also to see more of the world.As for my nephews; not sure, probably because they wanted to get away from home and couldn't afford college.
None of your business.
So, you think the first question was my buisness, but the second is too personal? That doesn't make any sense.
I can only assume it's because they're sitting in a shit hole, they're scared and they want to come home. It doesn't bode well for the argument that all the troops are into this war. Not that I'm saying that's what you're saying.
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
If you just wanna calll me an ass.hole, then do it.
why? would that make you feel better?
See, Sithsabre is doing, consciously or not, the same thing the email does. He goes "anyone scared to admit they feel this way?"
It's basically a challenge. That's why I mentioned Anne Coulter calling John Edwards a fagg*t.
Well, you weren't scared to admit it. And anyone who disagrees with it can easily be labelled a pussy.
Originally posted by Devil King
So, you think the first question was my buisness, but the second is too personal? That doesn't make any sense.I can only assume it's because they're sitting in a shit hole, they're scared and they want to come home. It doesn't bode well for the argument that all the troops are into this war. Not that I'm saying that's what you're saying.
It's nothing really personal in regards to myself, but I don't think they want me divulging that. Especially to someone I've never met on the internet.
And yeah, that's pretty much what they think.
In fact they tell me that many of the troops there have an amoral viewpoint: "I have a job to do, and I'm here to do it."
Originally posted by Devil King
why? would that make you feel better?
No, but that's what it seems like he's doing.
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
are you guys just saying so because its cool to disagree with sithsaber, and everybody goes out of their way to do so?
Hold on a sec, Mota.
Let me address something to the people posting in this thread:
I NEVER said that I agree with this woman.
I said that I received this in an email.
I posed the question: "Anybody else feel this way, but afraid to admit it?" because of the very responses posted here.
Also if the question was: "Nobody really feels this way, do they?" then it comes across as a challenge of sorts.
With all that gets said about the war, the president, terrorism, and soldiers, this woman's rant was.... different, to say the least.
I just wanted a dialogue going.
As far as personal opinion, don't presume to know that I'll just agree with these statements blindly.
The comments made about the nation under God and stuff, and Jesus dying for you are things that everybody knows that I agree with and I'm proud of that.
I work for my church in full-time ministry now and I lead a group for teenage guys. I make no bones about that.
That doesn't mean that I'd agree with torture, or killing innocent Islamic citizens of ANY country.
What goes on in the world now is all kinds of ugly, and none of it ends up being good.
I want our troops to come home soon and not die.
I want our future secure and protected, so that Islamic militants aren't killing thousands of people later on.
So it's hard to pick a side. Really, for me it is.
Do I feel bad if an evil person that kills and believes in suicide bombing is treated less than fair? Not really.
Do I feel bad if they are killed in combat? Not really.
Do I feel bad if they are abused and treated inhumanly by us in captivity? Yes, actually somewhat. I think we should rise above that kind of stuff.
So must of what this woman says doesn't fly with me.
Also, just for anybody taking notes: Christian and Republican are necessarily terms that go hand-in-hand any more.
I'm registered as one, but the person I'd vote for will be the one who I feel will do the best for the people.
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
I have no reason to care for them.
I would agree with this pov generally
however, let me ask this, as long as it didn't affect you one way or another, would you wish death on an iraqi?
(What i mean by that is, I'm sure in any instance you would be happy to see the death or an iraqi if it meant the life of one of your family members. I would feel the same. Had I a son in the army, I would hope every shot he took killed whoever it was firing back at him. But for just joe schmoe soldier, trying to protect his kids, I'd want him to go home to them, regardless of nationality.)
Originally posted by sithsaber408
I just wanted a dialogue going.
Well, that's what we're doing.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
As far as personal opinion, don't presume to know that I'll just agree with these statements blindly.
It wouldn't happen if you didin't go so long without commenting on your own threads. You do that a lot.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
Also, just for anybody taking notes: Christian and Republican aren't necessarily terms that go hand-in-hand any more.
"Anymore"? As if to imply that it was okay that they were at one point?