Anybody afraid to admit that they feel this..

Originally posted by FeceMan
Probably.

Probably NOT. And I'm willing to bet he knows that.

Originally posted by FeceMan
What you have just said is horseshit.

of the idea that the woman who wrote this wants all Muslims dead, but you quick throw out the "hatred" and "murder" card

PVS wasn't the one who threw out those terms, the "woman" in question was. Do you honestly think that such terminology wasn't implied?!? That's the head in the sand bullshit people have been addressing in this thread. Way to prove a point!

Originally posted by FeceMan
Well, no, she shouldn't. Being the President requires diplomacy and tact rather than knee-jerk reactions.

Did someone tell GW that, before he decided to use it as a political device? If this "woman" were running on the red side of things, you'd tell us she was the answer to Hillary Clinton!

Originally posted by FeceMan
She's from Jersey. Wonderful. And, yes, we are fighting a war on terror.

Yeah! Because Jersey isn't part of the United States of America! It's one of those liberal blue states that only care about black presidents and women voters and the NAACP, right? **** their opinion.

Whoops, she speaks for too many people on the donner list to say that!?

Originally posted by FeceMan
Indeed, September 11, 2001 was the act that spurred the war in Iraq into action, and those who committed the attack were Islamic.

Yeah, and I've been told that eating Mexican food will give me the shits. Doesn't mean I blame all of Mexico when it happens.

Originally posted by FeceMan
They were indeed murdered.

For what, though? Does them being murdered mean we should just accept what we're told?

Originally posted by FeceMan
Indeed they died horribly.

No arguments here. But, like too many American troops, did they die in vein? Or should we just assume that half the country (given the opposing perspective of teh two parties) be considered terrorists? Should we blame the democrats for 9/11?

Originally posted by FeceMan
According to some people, yes, one is supposed to care about this.

Should we give a shit when a muslim wipes his ass with the bible? Or should we consider such horeseshit propoganda? Does a muslim wiping his ass with the bible, or an illegal immigrant rolling a joint with a page from the bible, a reason for you to doubt your long-standing, deeply held beliefs? Where is the confidence that is supposed to be inspired by your faith? Get over it. It's just more material shit that your religion preaches to us about not considering!

Originally posted by FeceMan
Grand.

Yeah, it would be grand if Bin Laden converted. But, seriously, how much "forgiveness" are you really willing to display were he to do so? Where are your Christian principles then? Where is the republican party then?

Originally posted by FeceMan
She makes the point that we're expected to treat the Qu'ran like it's holy and sacred whereas the Muslim radicals--notice the use of the word "fanatics" to designate them, much like when President Bush described them similarly (oh, but that was hateful, too)--don't give a rat's ass. She asks, "Why should we care that someone flushed it down the toilet?" My response is, "I don't know

How can you expect anyone else to consier your beliefs, when its clear you couldn't give a shit about anyone eles?

Originally posted by FeceMan
I assume that the woman is referring to our inability to touch mosques due to the international backlash caused by such an action. By staying in their mosques, they are refuse to die honorably.

What? Are you serious?

Originally posted by FeceMan
Do suicide bombers kill children when they detonate themselves? Indeed. Are they in search of nirvana? As Strangelove points out, she's probably confusing Buddhism and Islam, although a definition of nirvana says that it is, "a place or state characterized by freedom from or oblivion to pain, worry, and the external world."

If nirvana meant the same as heaven, your point might have some validity. I honestly don't get why the absurdity of one religious view can't be applied equally to your own. That's not justification of their beliefs, it's damnation of both your perspectives!

Originally posted by FeceMan
I'm not sure exactly to what the woman is referring.

Neither am I

Originally posted by FeceMan
Were the incidents claimed to be torture blown out-of-proportion? In some cases, yes.

No. The question is, were they blown out of proportion because it wasn't Americans making the claim.

Originally posted by FeceMan
The woman would not be expected to care if it were a cop-killer who was being captured but could have killed more policemen.

When was the last time you saw a wounded "terrorist" shot in the head? That's just absurd.*

Originally posted by FeceMan
A rough translation: "QQ moar, nub."

Lapti Nek

Originally posted by FeceMan
Grammar and spelling are of high importance, next to cleanliness. Shame on you.

That was good, if not diversionary.

Originally posted by FeceMan
I'm not sure I would describe it as "ridiculous," and I certainly don't think that those responsible will care.

It IS ridiculous. The stronger point would be, "do those NOT responsible care? Do they understand, much less give two shits about the principles they profess to uphold?

Originally posted by FeceMan
Again, we have the adjective "radical" to differentiate between peaceful and militant Muslims.

Yes. But, out of context, considering your usage.

Originally posted by FeceMan
Yay, Ronald Reagan. Not terribly important to this letter, though.

Why is it not? It's what far to many uphold as the guiding principle behind their opinion of the situation. Don't blame the suicide victim for drinking the kool-aid. Blame the Kool-aid!

Originally posted by FeceMan
Damn Mexicans sneaking across the border.

Damn every-one-else who isn't?

Originally posted by FeceMan
True enough.

Please, point out the verse where he admitted to as much. Also, "true enough? How true? True in ways that demonstrates the absolute irrelevance of any other religioious perspective on the situation?

Originally posted by FeceMan
It's less dying for "you" in a personal sense than a global sense, but, yes, I suppose that is correct. I do, however, raise an eyebrow at the idea of "defining forces" (what does that mean?) and the word "only." Absolutes often don't apply in the real world.

If it isn't personal, then why the hero worship?

Originally posted by FeceMan
I'll rewrite that for you:

Is that what you want? More of the same? Anyone can replace words with contrary opinions. But when it comes down to it, what do you really expect? Way to be totally unoriginal.

Originally posted by Devil King
Probably NOT. And I'm willing to bet he knows that.

I'm not definitely saying that she was confusing Islam with Buddhism, but for me, it would reinforce the impression I get of "her" as an ignorant ****tard.

Originally posted by Strangelove
By 'he', do you mean me?

I'm not definitely saying that she was confusing Islam with Buddhism, but for me, it would reinforce the impression I get of "her" as an ignorant ****tard.

Yes, by "he" I meant you. But by "her", I assumed you knew that true Buddhists would do no such thing.

P.S. I just made a Beatles compilation disc off esnips that has the same graphic as your avatar and sig.

Originally posted by Devil King
Yes, by "he" I meant you. But by "her", I assumed you knew that true Buddhists would do no such thing.

And that was my point.

And the LOVE album rules.

Originally posted by Strangelove
this "Jersey housewife"? It appears not.

Indeed. Exactly my point, also. But, I'm not the one putting words in your mouth.

Originally posted by Devil King
Indeed. Exactly my point, also. But, I'm not the one putting words in your mouth.

Originally posted by Devil King
Probably NOT. And I'm willing to bet he knows that.

Perhaps.

PVS wasn't the one who threw out those terms, the "woman" in question was. Do you honestly think that such terminology wasn't implied?!? That's the head in the sand bullshit people have been addressing in this thread. Way to prove a point!

Did someone tell GW that, before he decided to use it as a political device? If this "woman" were running on the red side of things, you'd tell us she was the answer to Hillary Clinton!

Yeah! Because Jersey isn't part of the United States of America! It's one of those liberal blue states that only care about black presidents and women voters and the NAACP, right? **** their opinion.

Whoops, she speaks for too many people on the donner list to say that!?

Yeah, and I've been told that eating Mexican food will give me the shits. Doesn't mean I blame all of Mexico when it happens.

For what, though? Does them being murdered mean we should just accept what we're told?

No arguments here. But, like too many American troops, did they die in vein? Or should we just assume that half the country (given the opposing perspective of teh two parties) be considered terrorists? Should we blame the democrats for 9/11?

Should we give a shit when a muslim wipes his ass with the bible? Or should we consider such horeseshit propoganda? Does a muslim wiping his ass with the bible, or an illegal immigrant rolling a joint with a page from the bible, a reason for you to doubt your long-standing, deeply held beliefs? Where is the confidence that is supposed to be inspired by your faith? Get over it. It's just more material shit that your religion preaches to us about not considering!

Yeah, it would be grand if Bin Laden converted. But, seriously, how much "forgiveness" are you really willing to display were he to do so? Where are your Christian principles then? Where is the republican party then?

How can you expect anyone else to consier your beliefs, when its clear you couldn't give a shit about anyone eles?

What? Are you serious?

If nirvana meant the same as heaven, your point might have some validity. I honestly don't get why the absurdity of one religious view can't be applied equally to your own. That's not justification of their beliefs, it's damnation of both your perspectives!

No. The question is, were they blown out of proportion because it wasn't Americans making the claim.

When was the last time you saw a wounded "terrorist" shot in the head? That's just absurd.*

It IS ridiculous. The stronger point would be, "do those NOT responsible care? Do they understand, much less give two shits about the principles they profess to uphold?

Yes. But, out of context, considering your usage.

Why is it not? It's what far to many uphold as the guiding principle behind their opinion of the situation. Don't blame the suicide victim for drinking the kool-aid. Blame the Kool-aid!

Damn every-one-else who isn't?

Please, point out the verse where he admitted to as much. Also, "true enough? How true? True in ways that demonstrates the absolute irrelevance of any other religioious perspective on the situation?

If it isn't personal, then why the hero worship?

Is that what you want? More of the same? Anyone can replace words with contrary opinions. But when it comes down to it, what do you really expect? Way to be totally unoriginal.

As for my originality: I feel that you've posted enough "originality" for the both of us with your half-sensed ranting that was probably induced by fury that I somehow incited with my posting.

War or no war, what's with this debating tactic that says we have to take five minutes out of every day to care about every little wrongdoing in the world? What about Mesquita Bonita from Toronto who fell down a flight of stairs today?

If there are 1,440 minutes in a day, and I take five minutes to bawl my eyes out for each wrongdoing in the world, then there are only 288 things I can care about in a day. Assuming I get no sleep, that is. What if there are more than 288 unfortunate occurrances that happen in the world that day? Can I bawl for two people at once? Am I allowed to include myself and my family and friends in my care-a-thon? Does anyone care about this girl in my sig getting licked by a freakin' horse? Tell me, so I can understand, how many minutes per day I need to spend caring about every little thing (including dead butterflies hit by windshields, prostitutes choking on man-meat, victims of unsuccessful surgeries, etc...) in order to clear me from the a$$hole rank? 3.7? 2.8? 1.43234233? What's the answer?

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
I first read this when it was posted yesterday, but I didn't say anything because I had nothing to say about it. But I knew that absolutely no one would agree with it.

Does everyone who posted really not agree with any part of it (I personally don't care about enemy deaths, go ahead; call me heartless), or are you guys just saying so because its cool to disagree with sithsaber, and everybody goes out of their way to do so?

Quiero, she claims Christian lives are worth more than Muslim lives in her posts. How can you not see how hateful that woman is ?

Where does she say that?

Originally posted by FeceMan
Where does she say that?

She suggests that when she says she doesn't care about the Quran, but that Muslims should care about the Bible.

She complains about the deaths of Americans during 9/11, but says she couldn't care less about another middle eastern death.

Wow.

You guys are such tools.

I honestly cannot believe that you people are so blind that you can't even understand what the woman is trying to say. You throw out all these motives and assumptions based on your preconceptions, but they aren't even accurate, as is shown with but a little exegesis and common sense.

I honestly cannot believe that anyone could have such poor reading comprehension. It's ridiculous.

THE WOMAN ISN'T SAYING THAT SHE DOESN'T CARE ABOUT THE QU'RAN AND THAT MUSLIMS SHOULD CARE ABOUT THE BIBLE--SHE'S SAYING THAT WE SHOULDN'T BE EXPECTED TO CARE ABOUT THE QU'RAN WHEN MUSLIMS DON'T CARE ABOUT THE BIBLE.

Originally posted by FeceMan

THE WOMAN ISN'T SAYING THAT SHE DOESN'T CARE ABOUT THE QU'RAN AND THAT MUSLIMS SHOULD CARE ABOUT THE BIBLE--SHE'S SAYING THAT WE SHOULDN'T BE EXPECTED TO CARE ABOUT THE QU'RAN WHEN MUSLIMS DON'T CARE ABOUT THE BIBLE.

Which, to be fair, is still a stupid point.

Originally posted by FeceMan
Wow.

You guys are such tools.

Drunken tools, Fece.

The fact of the matter seems to be that you resort to name calling because people are taking offense at how ignorant this woman's thinking really is. And what's more, you seem to think we don't get it, simply because you agree with her and we don't.

"She" has demonstrated, repeatedly in her rant, that she doesn't give a shit about anyone of other nationalities or religions, and you're defending her. Defending her right to her opinion is one thing, but you're defending her opinion.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Got this in an email, and was wondering (assuming it's legit): are there others out there who basically feel the same way?

This is how it read:

This woman should run for president!
Written by a housewife from New Jersey and sounds like it! This is one ticked off lady.

"Are we fighting a war on terror or aren't we?
Was it or was it not started by Islamic people who brought it to our shores on September 11, 2001?
Were people from all over the world, mostly Americans, not brutally murdered that day, in downtown Manhattan , across the Potomac from our nation's capitol and in a field in Pennsylvania ?
Did nearly three thousand men, women and children die a horrible, burning or crushing death that day, or didn't they?
And I'm supposed to care that a copy of the Koran was "desecrated" when an overworked American soldier kicked it or got it wet?...Well, I don't. I don't care at all.I'll start caring when Osama bin Laden turns himself in and repents for incinerating all those innocent people on 9/11.
I'll care about the Koran when the fanatics in the Middle East start caring about the Holy Bible, the mere possession of which is a crime in Saudi Arabia .
I'll care when these thugs tell the world they are sorry for hacking off Nick Berg's head while Berg screamed through his gurgling slashed throat.
I'll care when the cowardly so-called "insurgents" in Iraq come out and fight like men instead of disrespecting their own religion by hiding in mosques.
I'll care when the mindless zealots who blow themselves up in search of nirvana care about the innocent children within range of their suicide bombs.
I'll care when the American media stops pretending that their First Amendment liberties are somehow derived from international law instead of the United States Constitution's Bill of Rights.
In the meantime, when I hear a story about a brave marine roughing up an Iraqi terrorist to obtain information, know this: I don't care.
When I see a fuzzy photo of a pile of naked Iraqi prisoners who have been humiliated in what amounts to a college-hazing incident, rest assured: I don't care.
When I see a wounded terrorist get shot in the head after he is told not to move because he might be booby-trapped, you can take it to the bank: I don't care.
When I hear that a prisoner, who was issued a Koran and a prayer mat, and fed "special" food that is paid for by my tax dollars, is complaining that his holy book is being "mishandled," you can absolutely believe in your heart of hearts: I don't care.
And oh, by the way, I've noticed that sometimes it's spelled "Koran" and other times "Quran." Well, Jimmy Crack Corn and-you guessed it-I don't care!!
If you agree with this viewpoint, pass this on to all your E-mail friends. Sooner or later, it'll get to the people responsible for this ridiculous
behavior! If you don't agree, then by all means hit the delete button. Should you choose the latter, then please don't complain when more atrocities committed by radical Muslims happen here in our great Country!
And may I add:"Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they made a difference in the world. But, the Marines don't have that problem." -- Ronald Reagan.
I have another quote that I would like to add AND.......I hope you forward all this. "If we ever forget that we're One Nation Under God, then we will be a nation gone under." Also by.. Ronald Reagan.
One last thought for the day:In case we find ourselves starting to believe all the Anti-American sentiment and negativity, we should remember England 's Prime Minister Tony Blair's words during a recent interview. When asked by one of his Parliament members why he believes so much in America , he said: "A simple way to take measure of a country is to look at how many want in... And how many want out."
Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you:
1 Jesus Christ
2. The American G. I.
One died for your soul, the other for your freedom.

Rather than forwarding it, I thought it'd make for good discussion.

Do you agree? Disagree? Find yourself getting emails like this?

Who could possibly believe this nonsense?

What happened to Abu Grave?

Edit: Abu Grave

*Wiki sources actually being useful...interesting.

Originally posted by FeceMan
Wow.

What ?

Originally posted by FeceMan
You guys are such tools.

lol..real mature, you grow more each day 🙄

Originally posted by FeceMan
I honestly cannot believe that you people are so blind that you can't even understand what the woman is trying to say. You throw out all these motives and assumptions based on your preconceptions, but they aren't even accurate, as is shown with but a little exegesis and common sense.

She's a very angry woman with misguided perspective. Her anger is speaking for her.

Originally posted by FeceMan
I honestly cannot believe that anyone could have such poor reading comprehension. It's ridiculous.

What she is saying is pretty clear, and she's quite the idiot. She's very ignorant as well.

Originally posted by FeceMan
THE WOMAN ISN'T SAYING THAT SHE DOESN'T CARE ABOUT THE QU'RAN AND THAT MUSLIMS SHOULD CARE ABOUT THE BIBLE--SHE'S SAYING THAT WE SHOULDN'T BE EXPECTED TO CARE ABOUT THE QU'RAN WHEN MUSLIMS DON'T CARE ABOUT THE BIBLE.

She specifically said she couldn't care less about the "Quran or Koran". She even said she couldn't care less if an American soldier stepped on the Quran.

On top of that, she even stated she couldn't care less how many Muslims die in this war, or how many Muslim prisoners are beaten or humilated by American soldiers.

How blind can you be ?

Originally posted by Devil King
The fact of the matter seems to be that you resort to name calling because

The Cap't makes an excellent point about name-calling that I wish more people utilized.

Here's the best advice I know, and it comes from a Cleveland Browns message board in the appropriately-named forum "Smack Shack." I'm assuming that "ghosts" mean "socks."

They say:

Smack Shack
The place to talk smack. Keep in mind that name calling is not to be used as a last resort when you've been smacked upside the head and don't have a comeback. Name callers, trolls and ghosts will be tossed.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Which, to be fair, is still a stupid point.

Originally posted by Devil King
Drunken tools, Fece.

The fact of the matter seems to be that you resort to name calling because people are taking offense at how ignorant this woman's thinking really is. And what's more, you seem to think we don't get it, simply because you agree with her and we don't.

"She" has demonstrated, repeatedly in her rant, that she doesn't give a shit about anyone of other nationalities or religions, and you're defending her. Defending her right to her opinion is one thing, but you're defending her opinion.

Originally posted by SpearofDestiny

lol..real mature, you grow more each day 🙄

She's a very angry woman with misguided perspective. Her anger is speaking for her.

What she is saying is pretty clear, and she's quite the idiot. She's very ignorant as well.

She specifically said she couldn't care less about the "Quran or Koran". She even said she couldn't care less if an American soldier stepped on the Quran.

(No, you shouldn't.)

On top of that, she even stated she couldn't care less how many Muslims die in this war

or how many Muslim prisoners are beaten or humilated by American soldiers.

Originally posted by FeceMan
ONLY WHEN I'M INSIDE OF YOU LOLOLOLOL

droolio

Originally posted by FeceMan
It's probably a frustration-rant that she doesn't actually mean. I recently wrote up a piece where I told a girl that I hoped that she got breast cancer and had to have a double mastectomy. I, of course, did not send it out in e-mail, but it felt good (and tiring) to get it out of my system.

Anger. That's what I was saying, her anger is speaking for her.

Originally posted by FeceMan
Way to back that up. I went point-by-point and validated the things she said.

Validate ? You did no such thing, there's nothing to validate. Her rant was pure anger and bias.

Originally posted by FeceMan
So what? Why should she? Should you care about the Bible? Should you care if some lunatic blows himself up and takes my holy book with him?

(No, you shouldn't.)

If someone blows themselves up, that's always a tragedy no matter what happens. Will I cry a river ? No. But I won't take pleasure in that, or be indifferent about it. It's a horrible thing.

I personally don't care what happens to someone's Bible or Quran, but the way she portrayed this was hateful. She repeatedly attacked the Quran and Islam in general, and she made it pretty clear she couldn't care less about thier deaths or suffering.

Originally posted by FeceMan
Where?

You're not blind. Read what she wrote. Everyone can see it, you're the only person claiming ignorance to it here.

Originally posted by FeceMan
What she said was that getting in a nude pile with other men was meaningless in comparison to the slaughter of Americans like Nick Berg.

She also said she couldn't care less if an American soldier "ruffs up" a Middle Easterner for information. American Soldiers torture and beat Middle Easterners for information, that's how we get it. She must not be aware.

Secondly, some of those nude men were also attacked by dogs. American soldier's dogs. She must not be aware of that either.

Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
Validate ? You did no such thing, there's nothing to validate. Her rant was pure anger and bias.

If someone blows themselves up, that's always a tragedy no matter what happens. Will I cry a river ? No. But I won't take pleasure in that, or be indifferent about it. It's a horrible thing.

I personally don't care what happens to someone's Bible or Quran, but the way she portrayed this was hateful. She repeatedly attacked the Quran and Islam in general, and she made it pretty clear she couldn't care less about thier deaths or suffering.

You're not blind. Read what she wrote. Everyone can see it, you're the only person claiming ignorance to it here.

She also said she couldn't care less if an American soldier "ruffs up" a Middle Easterner for information. American Soldiers torture and beat Middle Easterners for information, that's how we get it. She must not be aware.

Secondly, some of those nude men were also attacked by dogs. American soldier's dogs. She must not be aware of that either.