Firestorm (current) vs. Silver Surfer

Originally posted by Roldz
I seemed to remember Firestorm reverted to plain old Ronald once after being blasted.

Originally posted by Roldz
Zeta beam forcibly force someone to merged w/ the matrix; something Surfer could possiby accomplish... Possibly..

FS has shown the ability to control Zeta-radiation a few times now.

And are you saying Surfer would try to merge with FS? Because he really wouldn't want to do that.

Originally posted by Roldz
His also suceptible to psionic attacks; it once made him thinking powerless..

Is he helpless against them? Nope, [FS has mental defenses set up incase someone tries to invade his mind].

Recently, Galan showed me scans of FS forcing mergers on people. And it seems Firestorm can shut down and amp powers.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Recently, Galan showed me scans of FS forcing mergers on people. And it seems Firestorm can shut down and amp powers.

He reactivated that chick's power, and then took it away. That's not enough to even begin to speculate he can f*ck with the power cosmic.

Originally posted by Bransolute
On humans...

He reactivated that chick's power, and then took it away. That's not enough to even begin to speculate he can f*ck with the power cosmic.

Actually That was not a human. She is very powerful.

Originally posted by Bransolute
On humans...

He reactivated that chick's power, and then took it away. That's not enough to even begin to speculate he can f*ck with the power cosmic.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Actually That was not a human. She is very powerful.

bump so everyone sees bransolutes post

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Recently, Galan showed me scans of FS forcing mergers on people. And it seems Firestorm can shut down and amp powers.

Originally posted by Galan007
Not the case any longer.

Whose to say a planetary destroying blast directed to the host body wouldnt severe the mental link to the matrix disrupting the merge, which is exactly what happened on paragraph above. Less of course currents host connection to the matrix far exceeds than past hosts (Ron/mar)..

Originally posted by Galan007
Huh?

FS has shown the ability to control Zeta-radiation a few times now.

And are you saying Surfer would try to merge with FS? Because he really wouldn't want to do that..

Didnt know he now could control this energy, which issue was he able this?

Both Ron/Stein been attack a few time inside for control over the matrix causing them mental strain/pain, it would be like a battle of will inside for control over the firestorm entity something the Surfer could do after merging, and i think current host will<<<<<<Norrin..

Originally posted by Galan007
Do mental attacks work on him? Sure, [they work on pretty much every character in comics].

Is he helpless against them? Nope, [FS has mental defenses set up incase someone tries to invade his mind].

Just my 2 cents...

Props to yah respect thread Galan... Didnt know yah made one..

Apparently the new host can merged unwilling people to the matrix, althought i dont know if it can merged w/ someone on a meta or herald level dough. It is however a double edge sword, in the matrix whoever is the most dominant/stronger will controls Firestorm entity at the least thats how i understood it..

Zeta-radiation is a little iffy, the one that cause both Cyborg and Firestorm to merged where Zeta/Quantum radiation mixed guess thats somethin outside his skills to control..

Well we know Surfer has manipulated/absorb quantum energy before, Zeta beam well where not to sure (its quite a norm tech for that race) thought Surfer can use stellar energies to teleport. So from that i quess we can speculate that he could replicate that feat and merged w/ FS fight him from the inside as they are kinda even outside.. From there ill take SS side after all his taken out a universal level entity using CA to find a weakness in its powersource and in this case the host itself..

Then theres also that planetary/blackhole output blast i wonder if FS containment field/current body could survived that level of attack..

Originally posted by Roldz
It is however a double edge sword, in the matrix whoever is the most dominant/stronger will controls Firestorm entity at the least thats how i understood it..

I very much doubt that even IF Surfer was able to merge with the Matrix on his own, [which there is no solid evidence to suggest, mind you], that he would automatically be mentally pwning every character merged with it -- Of which are used to controlling it.

[Heck, the Professor alone can manipulate the Matrix, to a pretty hardcore degree -- Within the Matrix itself].

Originally posted by Roldz
Zeta-radiation is a little iffy, the one that cause both Cyborg and Firestorm to merged where Zeta/Quantum radiation mixed guess thats somethin outside his skills to control..

Originally posted by Roldz
Well we know Surfer has manipulated/absorb quantum energy before, Zeta beam well where not to sure (its quite a norm tech for that race) thought Surfer can use stellar energies to teleport. So from that i quess we can speculate that he could replicate that feat and merged w/ FS fight him from the inside as they are kinda even outside..

Originally posted by Roldz
Then theres also that planetary/blackhole output blast i wonder if FS containment field/current body could survived that level of attack..

Originally posted by Galan007
Hmm, you seem to be speculating that Surfer's control of the Matrix would be > everyone currently merged with it.

Originally posted by Galan007
Me no likey speculation.

I very much doubt that even IF Surfer was able to merge with the Matrix on his own, [which there is no solid evidence to suggest, mind you], that he would automatically be mentally pwning every character merged with it -- Of which are used to controlling it.

[Heck, the Professor alone can manipulate the Matrix, to a pretty hardcore degree -- Within the Matrix itself].

A few reason why i think Surfer could merge w/ Firestorm on his own..
1. A certain type of energy forcibly merge Firestorm and Cyborg..
2. Someone already accessed the Firestorm Matrix mentally..
3. DS tampered w/ the Matrix..
4. Surfer merged w/ an ancients ships matrix..
5. Surfer merged w/ a planet and gain controlled it from there.
6. After being forcibly merged w/ Blackbody, Surfer reconfigured/upgraded himself taking over blackbody's powersource..
7. Surfer CA found and exploited a universal level entities weakness..
8. Surfer then merged w/ this entity and w/ acquired insight took over its power..

Why Surfer >>>> Firestorm merged host mentally/will..
1. Pawned Mephisto with just will power..
2. Pawned a portion of the Other (psionic entity who even defeated mighty Galactus but was later prisoned by most of the cosmic deity in a dimension of its owned) w/ mental prowess..
3. Survived an attack of the totality of the Other..
4. Defeated the Endless who ate solar systems then transport them on deities mental plane..
5.. There's a lot more..

Firestorm offensive powers has never been used inside the matrix..
All battles fought inside it where mostly mental/will in gaining control over the Firestorm persona, in-fact someone did gain control over it while main host was present but only for a brief dough, he got pawned rather easily..

Originally posted by Galan007
FS has shown control over Zeta-radiation a few times now,
So it affecting him negatively in a PIS-free environment is, meh.

Originally posted by Galan007
Then there's also the fact that FS can simply teleport or wormhole off the planet, and not have to worry about what said attack would have done to him.

Another FS is weak against is that containment field that was used by the SSOV team to contain him, he was unable to do anything while inside it.. Surfer CA should be able to detect this

The matrix is constantly absorbing energy non-stop to power FS, it can be overloaded quite easily at that.. Surfer is an energy source see fight against Krosakis..

The host body can be over tax's/exhausted, the longer this fight takes resulting in a force un-merging..

Just a few thing that FS is going against him on this fight giving Surfer some edge.. Just my 2cents..

Using Darkseid's pulling Dr. Stein out of the matrix as a justification for Surfer messing with the matrix is stupid logic. Darkseid is a high end skyfather. Surfer is top tier herald level.

None of those other control feats are comparable to the FS matrix.

Cosmic Awareness is the biggest piece of forum-bull attributed to Surfer. He's used it, what, once or twice in his entire career? And once was a boast that he could use it.

The Surfer

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Darkseid is a high end skyfather. Surfer is top tier herald level.

Only in your mind.

Darkseid himself says that, physically, he is evenly matched with Superman...

LOL!

Originally posted by Soljer
Only in your mind.

Darkseid himself says that, physically, he is evenly matched with Superman...

So what? Odin matches up better? 😉 And I'm getting real ticked at Starlin for some of the shit he's writing.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
So what? Odin matches up better? 😉 And I'm getting real ticked at Starlin for some of the shit he's writing.

Odin does what now?

Anywho - Darkseid isn't a high skyfather, and never really has been.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
So what? Odin matches up better? 😉 And I'm getting real ticked at Starlin for some of the shit he's writing.

Also, Odin isn't known for his outstanding strength.

Why, what's wrong with Starlin's writing on DS? Don't get me wrong, I hate his art (although DS looks surprisingly good), but what's wrong with teh writing?

the writing is hit&miss. Orion is being written as a berserk oaf. Bad. Darkseid is being written well as the evil god mastermind. Good. Metron is being downgraded. Bad. The new genesis crowd are generally being written as idiots. Superman is being kind of a dick. the art's fairly good.

All in all, it's a mixed bag.

Originally posted by Roldz
No not everyone just whoever Jason merged w/ either the prof or firehawk.. The rest the matrix already dissipated em..

There's really nothing we could do other than speculate whats being debated but course its got to be based/taken from they're own feat.

A few reason why i think Surfer could merge w/ Firestorm on his own..
1. A certain type of energy forcibly merge Firestorm and Cyborg..
2. Someone already accessed the Firestorm Matrix mentally..
3. DS tampered w/ the Matrix..
4. Surfer merged w/ an ancients ships matrix..
5. Surfer merged w/ a planet and gain controlled it from there.
6. After being forcibly merged w/ Blackbody, Surfer reconfigured/upgraded himself taking over blackbody's powersource..
7. Surfer CA found and exploited a universal level entities weakness..
8. Surfer then merged w/ this entity and w/ acquired insight took over its power..

Why Surfer >>>> Firestorm merged host mentally/will..
1. Pawned Mephisto with just will power..
2. Pawned a portion of the Other (psionic entity who even defeated mighty Galactus but was later prisoned by most of the cosmic deity in a dimension of its owned) w/ mental prowess..
3. Survived an attack of the totality of the Other..
4. Defeated the Endless who ate solar systems then transport them on deities mental plane..
5.. There's a lot more..

Firestorm offensive powers has never been used inside the matrix..
All battles fought inside it where mostly mental/will in gaining control over the Firestorm persona, in-fact someone did gain control over it while main host was present but only for a brief dough, he got pawned rather easily..

Yeah i agree w/ yeah Firestorm has manipulated zeta-rad before however the one that affected him is far diff. it was zeta-beam that passed through a portal.. Perhaps a mix. of chronal/dimentional/antimatter..

Well if Surfer fights mindlessly then yeah FS could easily avoid it but if done in opportune moment chances are its got a good chance of landing such attack..

Another FS is weak against is that containment field that was used by the SSOV team to contain him, he was unable to do anything while inside it.. Surfer CA should be able to detect this

Originally posted by Roldz
The matrix is constantly absorbing energy non-stop to power FS, it can be overloaded quite easily at that.. Surfer is an energy source see fight against Krosakis..

According to the good Professor, the power of the FS-Matrix is "infinite." -- No 'absorbing' of further energy would be required. 🙂

Also,
Can you explain to me how Surfer is going to overload an "infinite" power source?