Originally posted by Soljer
Only in your mind.Darkseid himself says that, physically, he is evenly matched with Superman...
What the **** does Superman, Not holding back being a match for DS have to do with him not being a high end skyfather? Not a damned thing. DS Superman is his PHYSICAL match. Nothing more. Or hadnt' you noticed that desaad has been playing superman like a fiddle. Darkseid>>>>Desaad.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
What the **** does Superman, Not holding back being a match for DS have to do with him not being a high end skyfather? Not a damned thing. DS Superman is his PHYSICAL match. Nothing more. Or hadnt' you noticed that desaad has been playing superman like a fiddle. Darkseid>>>>Desaad.
Originally posted by Soljer👆
Superman remembering his pre crisis life due to the legion mind**** he recently received doesn't make him pre crisis Superman. The crisis still happened, the multiverse still changed. He's still not as powerful as he once was.
An all-star Olympic athlete can be hit by a car, rendering him a quadriplegic -- and while he might be able to remember how fast he once was, nothing will change the fact that he will more then likely never be able to run that fast again.
Yep, I'm a philosophizer. dur
Originally posted by Soljer
Superman remembering his pre crisis life due to the legion mind**** he recently received doesn't make him pre crisis Superman. The crisis still happened, the multiverse still changed. He's still not as powerful as he once was.
HMM. YOu may be correct. But SUperman is still hella holy stronger than let's say Odin. Does that make Odin less than a skyfather? 😉
On another note, we'll have to see how clark measures up to the JSA superman. Becuz that superman was far more powerful than Pre IC superman. He had years of solar absorbtion. ALL the Justice league members were more powerful. So if current supers is his match, well, Our hiearchy is shit. Cuz we dont' know where to place anyone. Just look at how Orion is a physical match for clark, and look where he's at.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
HMM. YOu may be correct. But SUperman is still hella holy stronger than let's say Odin. Does that make Odin less than a skyfather? 😉
On another note, we'll have to see how clark measures up to the JSA superman. Becuz that superman was far more powerful than Pre IC superman. He had years of solar absorbtion. ALL the Justice league members were more powerful. So if current supers is his match, well, Our hiearchy is shit. Cuz we dont' know where to place anyone. Just look at how Orion is a physical match for clark, and look where he's at.
Odin matched Surtur for strength. Your comparison fails.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Cosmic Awareness is the biggest piece of forum-bull attributed to Surfer. He's used it, what, once or twice in his entire career? And once was a boast that he could use it.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Using Darkseid's pulling Dr. Stein out of the matrix as a justification for Surfer messing with the matrix is stupid logic. Darkseid is a high end skyfather. Surfer is top tier herald level.
Ive never said anything about Surfer pulling anyone out of the matrix but rather him merging w/ it/FS by his own.. In my last post ive listed a few time when the matrix has been access by others and that included a blast that turned back FS to Raymond (ronnie) and forcibly merged another to the matrix; taken from your own logic nuclear bomb = DS..
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
None of those other control feats are comparable to the FS matrix.
Originally posted by Galan007
Lots and lots of speculation going on here -- So I'm not going to devle into that part of this debate any longer.
Originally posted by Galan007
Where did you hear this? 😕According to the good Professor, the power of the FS-Matrix is "infinite." -- No 'absorbing' of further energy would be required. 🙂
Also,
Can you explain to me how Surfer is going to overload an "infinite" power source?
But righ now ive got to go to work.. 🙁
Originally posted by Galan007
That's because Orion simply is not a versatile character -- Thus would loose to those whom are versatile in ways he is not.Just look at what FS did to him.
In ORion's own series, he was able to use his astro force for magnetism. IN the DOTN he calls the harness to him and uses a blast immediately against Superman. He's also shown superspeed. IF he is EVENLY matched with superman, what does that tell you? He's certainly not the hulk. ANd that showing in Firestorm would simply be illogical writing or a low showing.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
the writing is hit&miss. Orion is being written as a berserk oaf. Bad. Darkseid is being written well as the evil god mastermind. Good. Metron is being downgraded. Bad. The new genesis crowd are generally being written as idiots. Superman is being kind of a dick. the art's fairly good.All in all, it's a mixed bag.
I'd say Orion was being a bigger dick than Superman by far.