Juggernaut vs Odin

Originally posted by h1a8
Juggs has more appearances. But i go by high showings and not PIS low ones.
Classic Juggs is indestructible by physical forces, any showing against that is PIS.
The feat against the Godblast and Thor's slam verifies that. Also your math sucks since an average is to add up an entire characters history and divide it by the number of appearances. Those low feats wouldn't even dent the average 1 point.

You just committed the classic low ball high ball routine.

Low ball Juggs then high ball Odin. That seems fair.

It's not low-balling you idiot, it's taking high and low feats into consideration, YOu of all people accusing somebody of low balling, STFU your the biggest low baller on this site, go watch the super bowl you damn troll.

Originally posted by the Darkone
It's not low-balling you idiot, it's taking hihg and low feats into consideration, YOu of all people accusing somebody of low balling, STFU your the biggest low baller on this site, go watch the super bowl you damn troll.

H1 does this to people.

Originally posted by the Darkone
It's not low-balling you idiot, it's taking high and low feats into consideration, YOu of all people accusing somebody of low balling, STFU your the biggest low baller on this site, go watch the super bowl you damn troll.

All I saw was you taking Juggs low feats and comparing them to Odin's high feats.

Originally posted by carver9
H1 does this to people.

Prove it.

Anyway. H1 is arguing that Odin's feat of busting galaxies doesn't count when he's saying that he goes by high end feats only (in Juggernaut's case).

Hilarious.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Anyway. H1 is arguing that Odin's feat of busting galaxies doesn't count when he's saying that he goes by high end feats only (in Juggernaut's case).

Hilarious.

This isn't his thread so he cant make that statement what belongs and what doesn't, what a hypocrite!!

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
You raise a good point...

Why is Juggernaut more durable than Mangog and Thanos? This question is directed at... smarter people than you BTW. Feel no need to answer since your answer won't be an answer but a bunch of lumped up shit.

Juggernaut's best far and away feat is taking the Godblast from a weakened Thor with his shield up. Balance out the high feats... feat... with low feats and you have Juggernaut screaming from flames, getting tore up by Onslaught, getting KO'ed by Nimrod, getting hurt by Prof Hulk, getting KO'ed by the backlash from Prof Hulk, and getting badly tore up by Thor without his shield. Etc.
Plus the Onslaught thing was from an Onslaught who got smashed by normal Hulk (could be a mental thing, but iirc it wasn't)

For such a comic "Fact" he sure as shit doesn't have the feats to put him above Thanos or Silver Age Mangog.

I think the problem seems to be, outside of people vastly overrating Juggernaut, is that they feel "invincible" = "unstoppable". And even then, he's not either to the maximum degree.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Anyway. H1 is arguing that Odin's feat of busting galaxies doesn't count when he's saying that he goes by high end feats only (in Juggernaut's case).

Hilarious.

You just proven you are capable of great faultiness. I gave an IF THEN statement.
I said that IF Odin has his galaxy busting power here then either:
1. Odin vs. Thanos, Mangog, etc. are PIS and can't be used as evidence in other threads.

or.

2. Juggs still tanks it since he is more durable than Thanos or Mangog.

I never denied that Odin getting his galaxy busting power here. Read my posts carefully next time.

Originally posted by h1a8
You just proven you are capable of great faultiness. I gave an IF THEN statement.
I said that IF Odin has his galaxy busting power here then either:
1. Odin vs. Thanos, Mangog, etc. are PIS and can't be used as evidence in other threads.

or.

2. Juggs still tanks it since he is more durable than Thanos or Mangog.

I never denied that Odin getting his galaxy busting power here. Read my posts carefully next time.

You're trying to take away his galaxy destroying power by basically calling Jake a hypocrite and hoping he changes his stance, or taking it, but trying to shit on Thanos... for... I have no idea at all. Jake hasn't shown anything for or against Thanos. It's retarded to say the least. Even when Thanos has nothing to do with the thread or the backer, your fixation on a character you've never read anything about shines through.
"If Odin gets galaxy destroying power, then I might as well shit on Thanos."

Of all the characters you know nothing about, you're the least versed in Thanos. I mean, it's obvious you know nothing so why keep on trying?

Also you know what, prove Juggernaut is more durable than Thanos or Mangog

Originally posted by h1a8
My view is Juggs is absolutely indestructible to all physical forces below universal level.

What does he base this on?

Originally posted by h1a8
Those comments were based off feats, logic, and other things. I'll bite though. You know what Thor can do with his mightiest slams and Godblast (think of all his best feats). And if Juggs can't even be tickled by those same attacks then we can conclude that my statements have some weight for opinion.

And what does he think of the Godblast... in another thread?

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Thor cheapshotted a weakened Galactus twice. And one was a Godblast. If you don't think a Godblast is above planet destroying power...

Originally posted by h1a8
No it is not above planet destroying power.

I don't even know why I try

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
What does he base this on?

And what does he think of the Godblast... in another thread?

I don't even know why I try

Destroying a planet is totally different than penetrating a very durable substance.
For example I can melt a mountain of fluff with a flame thrower but fail to even melt adamantium.

Penetration power is more important than destroying fluff. The feats I were hinting at were the penetration power of the Godblast. So again, The Godblast can't destroy a planet but that doesn't mean it has no good penetration power.

Originally posted by h1a8
A cis off Thor can split or take a small majority.

A cis off Surfer can split.

A cis off Superman can win a majority.

I see WWH splitting if he doesn't go WB.

Hal at his best can pull a majority.

Mags can split or lose a slight majority

Sentry with a stable mental state could take a slight majority

The only way Thanos seems to either spite someone or get spited is because of Thanos fans here. They are relentless in saying he wins every fight, even against Galactus. They are the seeds for why the OP and some others feel the way they do about Thanos. But I don't. I know the truth and won't fall for any tricks Rick.

Originally posted by h1a8
Thanos doesn't have planetary power and he is not very fast.
My post is correct and accurate.

Originally posted by h1a8
Terrax and other heralds are rarely written at planet busting levels. If there was a genie and I wish to be Surfer at his highest levels of what he has shown and you wish to be Thanos at his highest non amp (IG, etc.) self then the genie will scan the comic and give me planet busting power and you not so much planet busting power. If we fight then I would dog walk you. Do you understand?

Originally posted by h1a8
I was referring to planetary level attacks and not beings who have shown the ability to have planetary level attacks. Here are a few that harmed Galactus with less than planetary leveling attacking, Sue and Thor.

Ya, that's not what you meant at all

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
A brief skim through tells that it's not that I'm missing context or information, it's just that you disagree with some showings and Juggernaut has fluctuated over the years.

The latter while understandable isn't as relevant to my point but that's cool. I'll read and reply more thoroughly later, I have to go now (Superbowl).

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Ya, that's not what you meant at all

My view slightly changed as I thought about it.

At first (months ago) I viewed busting planets with blasts as certain proof to grade A penetration power (damaging a highly durable substance such as 5 inch adamantium). I was wrong. Busting planets with blasts just means the blast is more wide spread and has at least decent penetration power.

A blast doesn't need super grade A penetration power in order to bust a planet. But that doesn't mean the blast that busts a planet doesn't have grade A penetration power either.

When I referred to Thanos not having planetary power, I was thinking strength mostly (although I thought blasts as well). I highly doubt he can do what Glads did against that planet. I know he has a shared feat that destroyed a planet but I don't highly value that feat since the panel showed they the two supplied the force to upset the planet's balance. This caused a chain reaction that allowed the planet to destroy itself. What's greater, destroying a planet by punching it to pieces or pushing a button that makes the planet destroy itself?

In summary, I was wrong in assuming that if a blast can't destroy a planet then it certainly doesn't have grade A penetration power. Superman's HV has some awesome penetration power but I highly doubt he can destroy a planet with it.

Originally posted by h1a8
My view slightly changed as I thought about it.

At first (months ago)

lol at you trying to switch the meaning and then realizing there's no way that's what you meant.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
17 days ago
It actually doesn't work out at all if you look at all the picking and choosing arguments.
It goes roughly like this:
Praise Juggernaut to universe level
Praise Thor
Shit on Godblast
Praise Godblast

lol at you trying to switch the meaning and then realizing there's no way that's what you meant.

Well 17 days ago. Seems like a couple of months to me.

Not really.
1. I always accepted Juggs to a universal level in physical durability.

2. The Godblast can't destroy a planet. This is truth. I guess you call that 'shit on Godblast'.

3. But the Godblast has awesome penetration power.

How does 2 and 3 contradict?

With that said,
My point still stands though.

Seriously Odin.... end/

Originally posted by h1a8
Well 17 days ago. Seems like a couple of months to me.

Not really.
1. I always accepted Juggs to a universal level in physical durability.

2. The Godblast can't destroy a planet. This is truth. I guess you call that 'shit on Godblast'.

3. But the Godblast has awesome penetration power.

How does 2 and 3 contradict?

With that said,
My point still stands though.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Collateral damage doesn't make the godblast any less powerful. Gladiator can eventually destroy a planet with his fists but that doesn't make his fists more powerful than the godblast.

Gladiator has nothing to do with this.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Collateral damage doesn't make the godblast any less powerful. Gladiator can eventually destroy a planet with his fists but that doesn't make his fists more powerful than the godblast.

Physical blunt attacks and energy based attacks are two different things. A fireproof jacket is not bulletproof and a bulletproof vest is not fireproof.

Originally posted by h1a8
Well 17 days ago. Seems like a couple of months to me.

Not really.
1. I always accepted Juggs to a universal level in physical durability.

2. The Godblast can't destroy a planet. This is truth. I guess you call that 'shit on Godblast'.

3. But the Godblast has awesome penetration power.

How does 2 and 3 contradict?

With that said,
My point still stands though.

Your whole argument was that planet destroying power was the be all end all feat. And you used the Godblast as a low feat for Galactus while saying it wasn't on the level of Silver Surfer's blast because it was planet destroying.