Juggernaut vs Odin

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
h1:

Comment made by the OP.

Really, that should end this farce of a thread. It's spite against Juggernaut and any sane poster who reads comics - or even just skims respect threads - will come to the same conclusion. Cain gets merced.

Well he changed it from a physical fight to a fight using all powers. I still hold to the position that Odin can't harm Juggs even with blasts. Juggs is more durable than Thanos.

But maybe someone should open a thread of Odin vs. X in a physical fight (h2h only).

Originally posted by h1a8
Well he changed it from a physical fight to a fight using all powers. I still hold to the position that Odin can't harm Juggs even with blasts. Juggs is more durable than Thanos.

But maybe someone should open a thread of Odin vs. X in a physical fight (h2h only).

How can you possibly think that Odin can't harm Juggernaut even with blasts?

What feats of Juggernaut suggest him being able to do so? Him enduring a weakened Godblast from Thor?

Odin's mild and moderate blasts trump that Godblast. And his all out attacks operate on a scope far greater than what Cain could ever hope to weather.

How does being more durable than Thanos prevent Odin from harming the Juggernaut?

Originally posted by h1a8
Well he changed it from a physical fight to a fight using all powers. I still hold to the position that Odin can't harm Juggs even with blasts. Juggs is more durable than Thanos.

But maybe someone should open a thread of Odin vs. X in a physical fight (h2h only).

Odds are his blasts are gonna be magical, something Cain hasn't always had the best track record against.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
How can you possibly think that Odin can't harm Juggernaut even with blasts?

What feats of Juggernaut suggest him being able to do so? Him enduring a weakened Godblast from Thor?

Odin's mild and moderate blasts trump that Godblast. And his all out attacks operate on a scope far greater than what Cain could ever hope to weather.

Originally posted by h1a8
Thor lifted and threw the Odin Sword with great force. But you must keep up. I said, Odin was stronger than Thor but not by a vast amount. False, Odin never punched and had planets blow up etc. as a side effect. The scan shows Odin blasting when it states the key word "Resemble". Juggs can not only survive a beating like the enchanter's had but he won't even be tickled by such a thing. I'll summarize the point in the end for you. Low balling. Juggs didn't even feel a Godblast or Thor's mightiest slam.

You must defeat this point:

Assuming Juggs can be hurt then it must be from blows 20x or more greater than Thor's mightiest slam. Odin can not punch with the force of 20x or more of Thor's mightiest slam since he's never shown such strength. Thus Odin can't harm Juggs at all.

Your 20x power theory is full of Sh**!!

Odin is physical more powerful than Thor, the Odin sword moves out of the sheath when it increase with power, Thor the strongest Asgardian couldn't put it back in place and was struggling, Odin with simple push of the hand put it back in place. Odin goes head up with Sutur who is skyfather level in power on more than one occasion, Odin one shot Ulik even Thor has never done that and Odin was poisoned when he did this, so It's been proven in comics!!

Sky-Fathers operate on different levels of strength, Odin is not your average 75 toner, Odin cause shock waves with his blows and what has Juggernaut done to even too say he can challenge one of the most powerful Sky Fathers in comics!?

Odin ain't hurting Cain with magical blasts this is the Juggernaut who was walking through a godblast like it was nothing.

The Juggernaut has never walked through a godblast.

Originally posted by SasuOna
Odin ain't hurting Cain with magical blasts this is the Juggernaut who was walking through a godblast like it was nothing.

generally things like blasts and stuff don't effect him but you add enough power there like Odin it could very well effect.

As for the godblast he might not have walked through it but he did pretty much tank it without injury

Originally posted by SasuOna
Odin ain't hurting Cain with magical blasts this is the Juggernaut who was walking through a godblast like it was nothing.

If you don't think Odin's blasts can inflict more damage than the Godblast, you're sorely mistaken.

Nothing Juggernaut ever did leads me to believe that he'd walk through the kind of ass kicking Odin gave Seth.

Originally posted by SasuOna
Odin ain't hurting Cain with magical blasts this is the Juggernaut who was walking through a godblast like it was nothing.

Except he was pushed back and his enchantment was overpowered.

And yes he can.

Originally posted by h1a8
Those comments were based off feats, logic, and other things.

Then let's see the feats behind it. I've asked you for them a dozen times now and nothing has been posted.

I know all of Juggernaut's durability related feats (The best and the worst), I know that nothing of the sort exists to support these comments:

Originally posted by h1a8
And classic Juggs is completely invulnerable, nothing physical under universal level can harm him.
My view is Juggs is absolutely indestructible to all physical forces below universal level.

Why is it so hard to admit that you talked out of your ass? How immature are you?

Originally posted by h1a8
I'll bite though. You know what Thor can do with his mightiest slams and Godblast (think of all his best feats).

And if Juggs can't even be tickled by those same attacks then we can conclude that my statements have some weight for opinion.

Why would I think of his bests feats? Thor didn't hit him with anywhere near the power of his most powerful blows. It was far from his most powerful God Blast as well.

Not really.

Originally posted by h1a8
My definition of smart is I don't get easily distracted from the main point that matters, which is Juggs can't lose here.

Distracted? No one is trying to distract you, why would I want to draw attention away from our main discussion when I've been raping you so thoroughly?

I however am not going to let such baseless comments slide when you were acting as if you had conclusive evidence. He most definitely can and would.

And if you happened to miss it, I replied to the main post on the very bottom of the 12th page.

^Why are you trying to convince h1a8 rage? You know its futile to oppose mathematicians.

Honestly not even sure why, usually I'd have stopped replying a while ago if the subject didn't have any special interest to me.

Honestly his best durability feat is probably taking on Nightmare when he was super powerful and threatening the whole Universe. I mean he had classic Strange begging for help or all of reality was going to be destroyed.

What I'm saying is that Nightmare probably would have put beat down on just about anybody at the time, and who did Strange call in to help out of all the people he knew of, that included Thor, all the higher powers. He chose the Juggernaut, and the Juggernaut did extremely well considering how powerful Nightmare was depicted at the time.

Once again that Nightmare was a) threatening all of reality, and b) had crushed classic Strange. That alone shows you the power level he was operating on at the time and Cain went toe to toe with him and was even able to effect Nightmare with his own power, and wasn't visibly hurt at the end of the fight. Hell Cain was getting to try and take on Eternity if you wanna know how uninjured he was.

I'm betting that Nightmare would have given Odin a good fight considering everything that was going.

Originally posted by Newjak
Honestly his best durability feat is probably taking on Nightmare when he was super powerful and threatening the whole Universe. I mean he had classic Strange begging for help or all of reality was going to be destroyed.

Bro, you need to re-read that story. Nightmare was only threatening the the Earth and it's alternate time lines only because he had Eternity bound in his custody after it's battle with Dormammu. Back in the day, it only represented time and so on, not the Universe etc.

And that was only because he allowed it to happen:

Originally posted by Newjak
What I'm saying is that Nightmare probably would have put beat down on just about anybody at the time, and who did Strange call in to help out of all the people he knew of, that included Thor, all the higher powers. He chose the Juggernaut, and the Juggernaut did extremely well considering how powerful Nightmare was depicted at the time.

Not really. And the only reason he didn't lose to Strange like always was because he learned some new counter spell to turn the eye against him:

IIRC, he lost like usual the next time they met. Meh, Juggernaut and the spells he learned made him a powerful ally but that in no way means he considered him more powerful than some of his other acquaintances. He was also in a similar dimension IIRC.

Originally posted by Newjak
Once again that Nightmare was a) threatening all of reality, and b) had crushed classic Strange. That alone shows you the power level he was operating on at the time and Cain went toe to toe with him and was even able to effect Nightmare with his own power, and wasn't visibly hurt at the end of the fight. Hell Cain was getting to try and take on Eternity if you wanna know how uninjured he was.

I'm betting that Nightmare would have given Odin a good fight considering everything that was going.

There were unusual circumstances to both (a) and (b).

I agree, this was probably Juggernaut's best showing:

And it's pretty awesome, he held his own against a Fear Lord on their turf but let's not turn it into something it's not.

Take on Odin? Lol, nah. Nightmare would most likely have to be having a good day to beat Loki from what I've read. For the record, just because this was classic Strange in no ways means that he was operating at one of his all time highs like most think.

Those mystical powers would definitely be a boon (Not as much against Odin who is himself an expert sorcerer) but it doesn't really matter as he lost them.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Bro, you need to re-read that story. Nightmare was only threatening the the Earth and it's alternate time lines only because he had Eternity bound in his custody after it's battle with Dormammu. Back in the day, it only represented time and so on, not the Universe etc.

And that was only because he allowed it to happen:

Not really. And the only reason he didn't lose to Strange like always was because he learned some new counter spell to turn the eye against him:

IIRC, he lost like usual the next time they met. Meh, Juggernaut and the spells he learned made him a powerful ally but that in no way means he considered him more powerful than some of his other acquaintances. He was also in a similar dimension IIRC.

There were unusual circumstances to both (a) and (b).

I agree, this was probably Juggernaut's best showing:

And it's pretty awesome, he held his own against a Fear Lord on their turf but let's not turn it into something it's not.

Take on Odin? Lol, nah. Nightmare would most likely have to be having a good day to beat Loki from what I've read. For the record, just because this was classic Strange in no ways means that he was operating at one of his all time highs like most think.

Those mystical powers would definitely be a boon (Not as much against Odin who is himself an expert sorcerer) but it doesn't really matter as he lost them.

I knew about Eternity being able to free himself that's why I didn't list it among the things Nightmare did in that arc cause it was pointless.

The point was he was very powerful and Juggernaut was able to attack him on his turf when Strange was powerless.

And the point wasn't that Strange thinks Juggernaut is more powerful then everyone, but when push came to shove he was willing to bring the aid of Cain which shows that Cain isn't some small time being.

Strange was willing to bring him against a Nightmare at point where Nightmare was shown as seemingly being more powerful then depicted as normal.

You also have the showing where Cain was able to over power Dr. Strange as well, and punch through his magic. Which was in another comic I can't remember which one.

The whole point of this is you you are trying to make claims of Cain's injuries without noticing the context behind a number of them.

He screamed out in Pain against Nightmare who at the time wasn't exactly playing small time ball, and he showed no signs of injury during or after any of Nightmare's attacks.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

Why would I think of his bests feats? Thor didn't hit him with anywhere near the power of his most powerful blows. It was far from his most powerful God Blast as well.

Not really.

Distracted? No one is trying to distract you, why would I want to draw attention away from our main discussion when I've been raping you so thoroughly?

I however am not going to let such baseless comments slide when you were acting as if you had conclusive evidence. He most definitely can and would.

And if you happened to miss it, I replied to the main post on the very bottom of the 12th page.

On panel it said Thor used all of his might when he slammed down on Cain. The blow didn't even tickle him. So using common sense it would take more than 20x the force just to do a little damage to Juggs. Odin has no strength feats that show he can deliver punches with forces more than 20x that of Thor's mightiest slams. This is the crux of my argument. Everything else is irrelevant.

Lastly, IMO Odin's punches EQUALS Thor's mightiest slams. In other words, they come no where near 20x them at all.

Odin is the most powerful of the Asgardian gods; he's a cosmic level entity. Even Thor, his own son, doesn't come close unless he's in possession of the "Odin Power".

As for Cain, no contest here. Odin can dispatch him with something less than a thought.

we already know this......