Deadshot v.s. Captain America

Deadshot is only recorded as peak human. also someone mentioned Punisher accuracy... Frank... can be accurate when he wants... He just usually doesn't need to with the gear he packs. I mean when you're carrying several automatic pistols a couple assault rifles, maybe a combat shotgun, a sawed off shotgun maybe an under barrel grenade launcher and when called for a SAW do you really need to worry about accuracy?? Anyways in the more recent comics I've seen a steady climb in Captain America's abilities from peak human to a picking up cars and telephone poles.
Classic Cap I'd say Deadshot has a chance. It would come down to distance and environmental factors as well as Cap's mental attitude. Also even in an open field he would have to worry about Cap going Rambo on him and popping out of a 2 inch puddle with his tactical genius. Just like the tactical geni--- CREEEED. 10 points for whoever gets that joke btw.
Also Classic Cap's mental attitude. Is he going for the kill or incapacitate because IMO when Cap goes for the kill little things like a couple hundred bullets wouldn't slow him down because he does have the epic ignore crippling wounds when doing something important for Uncle Sam.

Modern Cap say from perhaps a few years before civil war era just cripples him.

Deadshot wins 10/10 just because he's soo f*cken awesome!! 💃

Originally posted by namorsubby
No, He'll just need his guns 🙄

C'mon man don't take the piss. You were using Bullseye as proof that Deadshot can hit Cap, fact of the matter he was only able to by trickery. Don't try to twist this shit around and act like I don't get the point

Originally posted by namorsubby

The notion that Cap could completely evade Floyd the entire match is laughable when you take into account that he's already proven he can hit much faster individuals.

Sometimes thats ABC logic. Punisher has shot people faster than Daken but still had more problems shooting a slower opponent.

Originally posted by namorsubby
That, and Cap has been hit with bullets before.

Thats rare, we don't take freak occurances as the norm.

Originally posted by Deadline
C'mon man don't take the piss. You were using Bullseye as proof that Deadshot can hit Cap, fact of the matter he was only able to by trickery. Don't try to twist this shit around and act like I don't get the point

Sometimes thats ABC logic. Punisher has shot people faster than Daken but still had more problems shooting a slower opponent.

Thats rare, we don't take freak occurances as the norm.

1. Just a joke......but yeah, he'll use his guns. Also, if you go back and look, you'll see that I simply used bullseye as an example(well, honestly, more of a tease), and not a basis for argument.

2. It's not really comparable to ABC logic at all, actually. Deadshot has proven time and again that he can hit much faster foes than Cap. It should be considered more an established norm than something supported by a few scant instances. I didn't cite one example of him hitting someone faster and then use that as reason to conclude that he can hit Cap. Even if I had it would still be a little different from what is commonly interpreted as "ABC logic", and IMO, still a legit instance to cite in an arguement.

3.Just used that statment to establish that since Cap has been hit with bullets, that he can be. Ask Crossbones.

Also, I doubt he's come across a shooter as skilled as Deadshot. At his level DC streets comparable to Cap, who also dodge bullets on damn near a daily basis, don't stand a chance. Even metas wth superhuman reflexes, or super-speedsters that move faster than bullets are fair game. I've already mentioned his particular situaton with Bruce, and whether or not one considers Steve superior in speed, I doubt they could justify it being to the extent that what Bruce couldn't hope to evade Cap could indefinitely. Certainly not with feats, at least.

Originally posted by namorsubby
1. Just a joke......but yeah, he'll use his guns. Also, if you go back and look, you'll see that I simply used bullseye as an example(well, honestly, more of a tease), and not a basis for argument.

You just can't admit to being wrong can you?

Originally posted by namorsubby

2. It's not really comparable to ABC logic at all, actually. Deadshot has proven time and again that he can hit much faster foes than Cap. It should be considered more an established norm than something supported by a few scant instances. I didn't cite one example of him hitting someone faster and then use that as reason to conclude that he can hit Cap. Even if I had it would still be a little different from what is commonly interpreted as "ABC logic", and IMO, still a legit instance to cite in an arguement .

Ok it's not ABC logic, anyway my point is just because somebody has shoot somebody faster in comics doesn't neccesarily mean he's going to shoot somebody slower, sounds funy but it's true. Sometimes a slower more skillful opponent is harder to hit.

Originally posted by namorsubby

3.Just used that statment to establish that since Cap has been hit with bullets, that he can be. Ask Crossbones.

Brilliant, but you understand the point were not taking into account freak occurances? Cap was wearing strength dampners when he got shot, it was stated that he was much slower..

Originally posted by namorsubby

Also, I doubt he's come across a shooter as skilled as Deadshot. At his level DC streets comparable to Cap, who also dodge bullets on damn near a daily basis, don't stand a chance. Even metas wth superhuman reflexes, or super-speedsters that move faster than bullets are fair game. I've already mentioned his particular situaton with Bruce, and whether or not one considers Steve superior in speed, I doubt they could justify it being to the extent that what Bruce couldn't hope to evade Cap could indefinitely. Certainly not with feats, at least.

Deathstroke is only slightly faster than Batman and when they fought they only time Deadshot got him was when they did a standoff. Based on that Cap really could dodge all of Deadshots bullets.

Originally posted by Deadline
You just can't admit to being wrong can you?

Ok it's not ABC logic, anyway my point is just because somebody has shoot somebody faster in comics doesn't neccesarily mean he's going to shoot somebody slower, sounds funy but it's true. Sometimes a slower more skillful opponent is harder to hit.

Brilliant, but you understand the point were not taking into account freak occurances? Cap was wearing strength dampners when he got shot, it was stated that he was much slower..

Deathstroke is only slightly faster than Batman and when they fought they only time Deadshot got him was when they did a standoff. Based on that Cap really could dodge all of Deadshots bullets.

lol. Deadline, sometimes it's hard for me to understand how you fail to understand some things. I mentioned Bullseye tagging Cap as a jab/tease to DB, nothing else. Do I need to post my actual stances concerning the match to prove this, even though they are already in this very thread not too far back(I'm really asking you)?

It's sounds funny for a reason. If you constantly tag faster characters, you can tag said slower character. Cap can be as skilled as he wants to be. Doesn't make him any faster.

Cap has been shot more times than when he was killed. Call it what you may, but instances of him being hit with bullets would constitute proof that he can be. The fact that he rarely does in no way renders null and void the instances where he is. What, do you expect him to be shot the majority of his appearances, or even any significant percentage of them? No.

1. How on earth have you come to the conclusion that Slade is only slightly faster than Bruce? I believe the lowest his speed has been stated is 10x human. I doubt you could prove Steve is even that fast.

2.Slade mentioned that he probably threw off Floyd's aim when he slammed him against the wall.

3.If you really believe Cap could evade/deflect all of Floyd's bullets indefinitely, you should polish up on your Deadshot, and then comment in this match. Your suggesting that Steve's level of speed/reflexes would be too much for Floyd, and it's rather silly when you consider his history. It's been proven more than once on panel hat he can even follow the movement of super-speedsters and tag them, and despite your contest to it, I really consider Cap more Bruce level than anything. Bruce would be long dead if it were not for DS's affinity for him. That goes for anyone withh comparable speed/reflexes. Hell, even if you were to place Steve as slighty superior in that area, I don't see how it would make much difference.

According to forum rules, Cap starts wthin Floyd's line of sight 500 meters away. Featureless enviroment. That's such a huge advantage for Lawton that I don't see how he could not tag Cap.

As I said before the more current Cap's have moved beyond Peak human IMO. Also as I said before Cap has the irritating hero ability of ignore bullet wounds that should drop anyone 9/10 just to make the scene that much more epic and it's consistent enough for me to not call it PIS anymore.
I mean bullet to the brain, gets up in a few minutes ready to kick ass... Pre temporal bullet to the brain at the end of the civil war.

What's peak human anymore? Handbook stats mean nothing.

Bat's has feats above peak human. He's stated that he can leg press 2,500 lbs, had military pressed well over 1,000 lbs, kicked a large tree in half and shattered a brick wall.

That said, Deadshot is not beating Bucky or Steve. If it's Elektra or Deathstroke, then we'd have a debate.

he died at end of civil war
didn't deadshot shot deathstroke a lot once
though he had help
anyway the guy on roids wins

Originally posted by Badabing
What's peak human anymore? Handbook stats mean nothing.

Bat's has feats above peak human. He's stated that he can leg press 2,500 lbs, had military pressed well over 1,000 lbs, kicked a large tree in half and shattered a brick wall.

That said, Deadshot is not beating Bucky or Steve. If it's Elektra or Deathstroke, then we'd have a debate.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Deadshot is a monster but he isn't beating Cap.

Originally posted by Badabing
What's peak human anymore? Handbook stats mean nothing.

Bat's has feats above peak human. He's stated that he can leg press 2,500 lbs, had military pressed well over 1,000 lbs, kicked a large tree in half and shattered a brick wall.

That said, Deadshot is not beating Bucky or Steve. If it's Elektra or Deathstroke, then we'd have a debate.

I was more pointing out the fact that Cap has the stereotypical bullets are ant bites until after the fight is over more than the peak human thing. It's the hero formula of villains get shot once and are instantly knocked out. Heroes get shot a million times over scream then bull rush assailants and/or mow them down in a wave of return fire.

Originally posted by Badabing

That said, Deadshot is not beating Bucky or Steve. If it's Elektra or Deathstroke, then we'd have a debate.

The Caps deflect bullets with large shields.......Elektra and Slade deflect bullets with sais and swords. I'd say that both do better than either Cap agaisnt Floyd.

Steve traversing 500 meters in Deadshot's direct line of sight while deflecting/evading all Floyd's bullets to put him down just sounds like a long shot by any stretch of the imagination IMO.

Originally posted by Uriel005
As I said before the more current Cap's have moved beyond Peak human IMO. Also as I said before Cap has the irritating hero ability of ignore bullet wounds that should drop anyone 9/10 just to make the scene that much more epic and it's consistent enough for me to not call it PIS anymore.
I mean bullet to the brain, gets up in a few minutes ready to kick ass... Pre temporal bullet to the brain at the end of the civil war.

I think you should factor in Steve's armor as the primary reason he can endure through bullets. I also think you're exaggerating a tad.

Originally posted by Uriel005
I was more pointing out the fact that Cap has the stereotypical bullets are ant bites until after the fight is over more than the peak human thing. It's the hero formula of villains get shot once and are instantly knocked out. Heroes get shot a million times over scream then bull rush assailants and/or mow them down in a wave of return fire.

😛

Originally posted by namorsubby
The Caps deflect bullets with large shields.......Elektra and Slade deflect bullets with sais and swords. I'd say that both do better than either Cap agaisnt Floyd.

Steve traversing 500 meters in Deadshot's direct line of sight while deflecting/slash evading all Floyd's to put him down just sounds like a a long shot by any stretch of the imagination IMO.

I think you should factor in Steve's armor as the primary reason he can endure through bullets. I also think you're exaggerating a tad.

Steve evading/deflecting gunfire is something he's been doing since the 1940's, Bucky too. uhuh

Originally posted by Badabing
Okay. I hear base strength or peak human now and go durhulk

😛
Then stretch your imagination further. sneer

Steve evading/deflecting gunfire is something he's been doing since the 1940's, Bucky too. uhuh

Dodging bullets is something everyone is and has been doing. Floyd's hit much faster than Cap, and has created a sharp distinction between being able to evade bullets and being able to evade him with his showings against known bullet-dodgers and even super-speedsters.

Originally posted by namorsubby
Dodging bullets is something everyone is and has been doing. Floyd's hit much faster than Cap, and has created a sharp distinction between being able to evade bullets and being able to evade him with his showings against known bullet-dodgers and even super-speedsters.

yeah cap is chuck norris on roids

Originally posted by namorsubby
lol. Deadline, sometimes it's hard for me to understand how you fail to understand some things. I mentioned Bullseye tagging Cap as a jab/tease to DB, nothing else. Do I need to post my actual stances concerning the match to prove this, even though they are already in this very thread not too far back(I'm really asking you)?

It's sounds funny for a reason. If you constantly tag faster characters, you can tag said slower character. Cap can be as skilled as he wants to be. Doesn't make him any faster.

Cap has been shot more times than when he was killed. Call it what you may, but instances of him being hit with bullets would constitute proof that he can be. The fact that he rarely does in no way renders null and void the instances where he is. What, do you expect him to be shot the majority of his appearances, or even any significant percentage of them? No.

1. How on earth have you come to the conclusion that Slade is only slightly faster than Bruce? I believe the lowest his speed has been stated is 10x human. I doubt you could prove Steve is even that fast.

2.Slade mentioned that he probably threw off Floyd's aim when he slammed him against the wall.

3.If you really believe Cap could evade/deflect all of Floyd's bullets indefinitely, you should polish up on your Deadshot, and then comment in this match. Your suggesting that Steve's level of speed/reflexes would be too much for Floyd, and it's rather silly when you consider his history. It's been proven more than once on panel hat he can even follow the movement of super-speedsters and tag them, and despite your contest to it, I really consider Cap more Bruce level than anything. Bruce would be long dead if it were not for DS's affinity for him. That goes for anyone withh comparable speed/reflexes. Hell, even if you were to place Steve as slighty superior in that area, I don't see how it would make much difference. If not, there's no reason to think that Cap will be unable to dodge/block DS's shots regardless of how good a shot he is.

According to forum rules, Cap starts wthin Floyd's line of sight 500 meters away. Featureless enviroment. That's such a huge advantage for Lawton that I don't see how he could not tag Cap.

Namorsubby is unreal. Serioulsy anybody else seeing the copius amounts of crack this guy smokes? Unreal. 😐

I dunno maybe later....unbelievable.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I'm pretty sure I asked you this before but I can't remember if you ever answered, is there anything to suggest that DS's bullet's are faster than the bullet's Cap routinely dodges/blocks?

No. But then again, DB, you continue to obsess on the bullet, while completely ignoring the creditials of the shooter. Floyd's timing, sight, accuracy, and own reflexes/reaction time has allowed him to hit much faster opponents than Steve with bullets. Do you want me to sit here and name how many Floyd has hit with bullets or another projectile that have been shown on-panel reacting to and evading them? They react to bullets. Floyd reacts to/follows their movements, times his shots, and lands them. He's hit and killed a super-speedster in mid-stride with a bullet after deflecting projectiles she had thrown with gunfire. He locked on to another super-speedster in mid-blitz whom he was literal inches away from, putting his gun to his chin before the guy could go through with his super-fast attack. He attributes showing like these to his sight and timing.

I don't know what it is. Either you must admit to ignoring those showings or not acknowledging them as invalid due to your apparent stance that no one can be hit with bullets that have the neccesary speed to react to and evade them. What's apparent to me is that Cap, and others who have this ability have been tagged before with bullets and other projectiles, but you seem to think that Steve could never be unless he was somehow distracted, etc according to your posts. Weird.

Originally posted by Deadline
Namorsubby is unreal. Serioulsy anybody else seeing the copius amounts of crack this guy smokes? Unreal. 😐

I dunno maybe later....unbelievable.

lol, Please try to behave Deadline. Your sensitivity to an opposing argument which discredits you is evident in pretty much all your posts, but try to exhibit some self-control so we can keep matches open and not closed due to trolling, childish insults, etc. Okay?