Done before. Degenerated into a giant KOTOR hate fest. Well, KOTOR II hate fest with DS ranting and raving about how Nihilus sucks and beating him is no feat of the Exile's. Which it isn't anyway because Nihilus owned the Exile in a few seconds and could have killed her. And the Exile had it 3-on-1. And Nihilus was double-weakened and still winning.
But I digress.
Ulic has more feats. Stalemating Kun (well, I've heard they looked even) and didn't he do something with a mountain? Not sure on that part.
Ulic pounds her into the ground with little effort.
The Exile's good at taking on spoiled "Sith" with issues, but she was damn near nothing without her Force connection. Ulic, even with his skills degenerated and his force connection severed, held off an angry, battle-ready Jedi.
That accomplishment alone should put him as one of if not the best lightsaber duelists to ever exist.
Originally posted by IKC
Ulic pounds her into the ground with little effort.The Exile's good at taking on spoiled "Sith" with issues, but she was damn near nothing without her Force connection. Ulic, even with his skills degenerated and his force connection severed, held off an angry, battle-ready Jedi.
That accomplishment alone should put him as one of if not the best lightsaber duelists to ever exist. [/B]
At any rate, he curbstomps her in saber combat.
If by held off you mean kept running away then you are correct.
loltroll.
If Ulic ran away, then so did Obi-Wan Kenobi. The circumstances are exactly the same, except Ulic was severed from the force and thus could not augment his speed, strength, or stamina, and did not have any sort of precognition.
Which means his skill with a lightsaber is damn near unparalleled. Thanks for playing.
Originally posted by IKC
loltroll.
If Ulic ran away, then so did Obi-Wan Kenobi. The circumstances are exactly the same, except Ulic was severed from the force and thus could not augment his speed, strength, or stamina, and did not have any sort of precognition.
Which means his skill with a lightsaber is damn near unparalleled. Thanks for playing. [/B]
To be fair, DS, Ulic was not even trying to hurt Sylvar, unlike Obi-Wan fighting Anakin, and he was bereft of the Force, making his defense still incredible. Very few Force users can hope to withstand a Jedi in direct combat. In The Approaching Storm, Luminara Unduli reflects that the two ways to overcome a Jedi in combat are through lulling them into a false sense of security or killing them with sheer numbes if you're not a Force-user.
Originally posted by Janus Marius
To be fair, DS, Ulic was not even trying to hurt Sylvar, unlike Obi-Wan fighting Anakin, and he was bereft of the Force, making his defense still incredible. Very few Force users can hope to withstand a Jedi in direct combat. In The Approaching Storm, Luminara Unduli reflects that the two ways to overcome a Jedi in combat are through lulling them into a false sense of security or killing them with sheer numbes if you're not a Force-user.
I understand and you're right Janus but making the claim that Ulic COULD be the greatest duelist ever based on that feat alone is a little ridiculous.
Also, if you look at that duel between Ulic and Exar again, Ulic was injured - he had bandages wrapped around his ribs and stomach, so he is actually probably Exar's superior with a lightsaber. I think Exar might be the best saber wielder up to the PT. Bane or Kas'im could challegne him, though, as could Tulak Hord.
That's super. Except it makes absolutely no sense. Please, your disappearing act was much more amusing. Coming back here just to talk shit makes you look ridiculous.
Clearly I have been lurking for a year and a half. It can't have been that I found something else to do in my spare time - which makes your constant presence here all the more hilarious. What account is this, your third or fourth?
Yes IKC, you are correct. Obiwan ran away, thank you for stating the obvious for those of us who didn't see the movie (anybody?).
No, he didn't, and neither did Ulic. Both of them were yielding ground while defending themselves from their opponent's blows.
I made the statement to draw a parallel.
How good was Sylvar exactly?
Good enough to get an angered scratch in on a pre-Sith Exar Kun, which is no easy feat considering how shortly later he thrashed Vodo.
Largely irrelevant, really, since she had access to and was trained with the Force and he did not.
Your ridiculous assumption of Ulic being one of the best, if not the best ever, begs for actual proof.
Your habit of "begging" for proof is one of the most amusing means of trolling I've seen, considering your total ignorance of source material.
Fact is, Ulic's accomplishment is unmatched.
Oh really IKC? Running away from an average Jedi makes him the greatest ever?
An "average Jedi" is your biased assumption.
"Running away" (which he clearly didn't do), is your completely biased interpretation of what you've read about material you've never read.
There's at LEAST 5 Jedi/sith who are superior to him in saber combat
Such as?
I can only name one for certain: Exar Kun, who stalemated him when he had the Force. At that point, you should know, Ulic was at or very near the peak of his power, especially considering that we don't see evidence of growth during the Sith War. Afterwards, Kun goes on to become considerably more powerful and skilled with his blade, especially after he crafts the unique weapon.
but because he was able to NOT get killed while fighting a Jedi, he's a saber god?
Without access to the Force? Of course he is. It's a feat that should be impossible.
By your logic of doing what nobody else was shown to do, Freedon Nadd is both a force god and a saber god because he conquered a backwater planet with the use of sith magic and his short lightsaber.
I would argue that Freedon Nadd is up there, yes. With extrapolation we can assume that several other entities (Kun, Sadow, Ragnos, et al) are capable of the same thing.
Because of Ulic's unique scenario, we cannot do the same for others besides Exar Kun. No combatant has matched this.
But because he was able to perform feat X without the use of the force makes him a saber god WITH the use of the force? Good one.
If you weren't a halfwit you'd realize that a combatant with use of the Force would have tremendous advantages over one without access to it.
Since we are speaking about the same entity, as I pointed out above it is reasonable to interpret the DLotS/Sith War Ulic as Ulic at his top form. There is not a chance nor is there evidence that his skills have done anything but deteriorate from the events at the end of the Sith War to those of Redemption.
In other words, no matter how good the Ulic of Redemption is, he was exponentially better during DLotS and TSW.
Also, if you look at that duel between Ulic and Exar again, Ulic was injured - he had bandages wrapped around his ribs and stomach, so he is actually probably Exar's superior with a lightsaber.
Neither dialogue nor narration indicates that said injury (which was by then weeks old) hampered Ulic during the fight, nor during the events of the Sith War. Indeed, the injury is not mentioned when he fights Mandalore, nor when he assaults Coruscant. It's shown briefly before his trial and it's finally mentioned before he kills his brother.
That and, as stated above, Exar got much better after this fight.
Neither dialogue nor narration indicates that said injury (which was by then weeks old) hampered Ulic during the fight, nor during the events of the Sith War. Indeed, the injury is not mentioned when he fights Mandalore, nor when he assaults Coruscant. It's shown briefly before his trial and it's finally mentioned before he kills his brother.That and, as stated above, Exar got much better after this fight.
Originally posted by IKC
[B]Clearly I have been lurking for a year and a half. It can't have been that I found something else to do in my spare time - which makes your constant presence here all the more hilarious. What account is this, your third or fourth?
Good enough to get an angered scratch in on a pre-Sith Exar Kun, which is no easy feat considering how shortly later he thrashed Vodo.
Largely irrelevant, really, since she had access to and was trained with the Force and he did not.
Your habit of "begging" for proof is one of the most amusing means of trolling I've seen, considering your total ignorance of source material.
Fact is, Ulic's accomplishment is unmatched.
An "average Jedi" is your biased assumption.
"Running away" (which he clearly didn't do), is your completely biased interpretation of what you've read about material you've never read.
I can only name one for certain: Exar Kun, who stalemated him when he had the Force. At that point, you should know, Ulic was at or very near the peak of his power, especially considering that we don't see evidence of growth during the Sith War. Afterwards, Kun goes on to become considerably more powerful and skilled with his blade, especially after he crafts the unique weapon.
I would argue that Freedon Nadd is up there, yes. With extrapolation we can assume that several other entities (Kun, Sadow, Ragnos, et al) are capable of the same thing.
If you weren't a halfwit you'd realize that a combatant with use of the Force would have tremendous advantages over one without access to it.
In other words, no matter how good the Ulic of Redemption is, he was exponentially better during DLotS and TSW.