rock lee and neji vs zabuza and haku

This isnt Dragonball z you know.....characters at the begging of the series paled in power to characters at the end.Naruto is alot different and this difference is the main reason i like it better than Dragonball

According to the official japanese power guide Neji's power,speed and skill still aren't even close to being near Zabuza.Do you think the Mizukae selected Zabuza to be a chunin because some kids could beat him?Zabuza and Haku had to die in their fights with Kakashi,Naruto and Sasuke...there is no other way around it.If Haku would of killed Naruto and Sasuke instead of just trying to put them to sleep you know how different the show would be?There would be no Naruto...The name of the show would have to change.If Zabuza would of just killed Kakashi in their first fight then Naruto and Sasuke would of been killed by him.]

We don't know how powerful Haku might have been because he never fought to kill.We only know that Kakashi a highly skilled ninja said there was no way for him to copy or destroy the "demonic ice mirrors so a chibi induced Naruto shouldn't have been able to destroy it either.Not only was Zabuza Momochi a elite level Jonin he was a anbu Member and a member of the seven swordsman of the mist.Of all of the Jonin shown so far Zabuza is probably still one of the best according to the official japanese stats guide.
Instead of saying on character would win because he is cool how about you learn about both characters before you choose who would win in a battle.

lee's taikutsu is surpassed by no one other than gai lee would own zabuza

Lee would be cut in half by Zabuza.

Originally posted by yungz22
lee's taikutsu is surpassed by no one other than gai lee would own zabuza

Correct. Ice Mirrors takes a lot of chakara to sue. Neji can use the kaiten multiple tiems without having to worry much, however. Aside from that he's way faster then Haku is outside outside of the ice mirrors technique. That being said,this is how it goes down.

Scenario 1: Neji defeats Haku nigh instantly when they clash in H2H first. He helps Rock Lee, who is more then quick enough to hold his own against Zabuza, and the duo win.

Scenario 2 (Dumbass fail Anime logic.): Haku somehow survives long enough to use the demon ice mirrors. Neji uses kaiten and easily repels all of the senbon barrages until Haku starts to tire out. Neji rapes sodomizes him with a chakra finger afterwords. Rock Lee is fighting Zabuza and usig his speed to stay out of reach for the most part.. either goes gates and rapes him brutally or Zabuza stalls for time with mist and survives. Then Neji comes, uses Byakugan to easily see through the mist, and rapes Zabuza utterly.

Secnario 3: Neji sues his Byakugan to easily counter the mist and kills Zabuza hardcore with the gentle fist while Rock Lee stalls for time with the gates in the ice mirrors. Rock Lee either wins or he dies, then Neji finishes Haku off.

Lee getting trapped inside the ice mirrors would loose horribly against Haku who wasn't messing around. Lee has no way to dodge all the needles or block them. Haku in the mirrors is faster than Lee is.

As for Byakugan seeing through the mist...still not sure how he's suppose to see through it. No matter how far he looks everything is going to be cloudy. Well he may be able to tell where Zabuza is by chakra but he's not going to be able to dodge a sword he isn't going to be able to see.

As for the other...Neji would probably beat Haku since Neji can block with Kaiten and not loose as much chakra as quick as Haku would be using Ice mirrors. However Lee wouldn't even come close to beating a Jonin ninja who is close to Gai's level which Zabuza is. Even Neji is still weaker than Gai. Neither one should have a real shot at taking out somebody at Zabuza's level. Kakashi had the sharingan to help him out both times. Not to mention Kakashi is a much better fighter, and smarter than either Lee or Neji. Just because he was like the second villain doesn't make him weak. Naruto and Sasuke before the time skip never got to Kakashi's power, and the chunin exams not one of the genin were strong as Kakashi besides Kabuto who wasn't really there to actually take the test. We have no way of knowing how strong Neji and Lee are after the time skip...since they pretty much did nothing but I have a hard time seeing them beating Kakashi even if Neji is a jonin. There are a lot of Jonin that weren't stronger than Kakashi even during the beginning. Haku also not killing Sasuke and Naruto was because he doesn't like to kill not because he couldn't. Well maybe in Naruto's case he couldn't but he never tried in either case.

Neji was able to free himself from being trapped in the water prison created by Kisame. In where Kakashi being trapped in the same water prison by Zabusa was not able to do it at all by himself.

So even if its true that Neji is still weaker than Kakashi. You can't actually say he can't defeat Zabusa.

Lee can take out Haku easily. Haku's demonic Ice prison < Lee's speed. Remember that when Sasuke's sharingan awakened he can see the attacks already and somehow avoid it. In where the same sharingan wasn't even able to cope up at Lee's attack in their first encounter. This was a Lee with the weights on and before the Chuunin exam.

So Neji and Lee wins this one.

Haku also was getting slower by the time the sharingan awakened because of how much chakra was being drained using that technique. Sasuke could also see Lee fine..he just couldn't react. Haku also wasn't trying to kill Sasuke nor Naruto.

Not to mention he was not trying to physically keep up with Haku either. He was trying to keep up with Lee but could not. He was just trying to blast Haku with fireballs while using Naruto as a distraction.

lee with weights off or drunken would ripp zabuza after that he would go help neji by breaking the mirrors from the outside

Lee with weights off would still die, as would drunken.

Why? The only time I've seen Zabuza do anything impressive was when he was in the water. Outside of that... the only impressive thing he has is his mist jutsu.

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
Why? The only time I've seen Zabuza do anything impressive was when he was in the water. Outside of that... the only impressive thing he has is his mist jutsu.

Where was that insane speed when Kakashi was beating his ass, and even my fatass could have dodged that vertical slash he made when Kakashi was tending to Haku? Even if his movement speed is fast we have never seen him attack quickly. We have never seen him use that jutsu in a place were there isn't an abundance of water, so whatever destructive water jutsu he has is irrelevant unless he's fighting on or near a large water source.

Simple brute strength is pointless unless you have superior durability, otherwise someone who is faster then you will beat you. And Neji can kill Zabuza with one punch. So... *shrug*

The Mist doesn't cover an infinite area of land, and again it depends on if there's a water source around. Zabuza doesn't just randomly spout mist out of his ass. He needs a water source first. Same rules as above apply.

Despite that, even with mist activated it's not an automatic loss. Mist does not spread out infinitely, the only reason it was dangerous was because Kakashi and co. were on a bridge with no where to go. Weightless Lee's speed is incredible enough for him to, at the least escape from the mist depending on the area.

The location that this is taking place at is the ultimate answer really.

Zabuza and Haku are dead already so therefore, this fight never happens.

Where was that insane speed when Kakashi was beating his ass, and even my fatass could have dodged that vertical slash he made when Kakashi was tending to Haku? Even if his movement speed is fast we have never seen him attack quickly. We have never seen him use that jutsu in a place were there isn't an abundance of water, so whatever destructive water jutsu he has is irrelevant unless he's fighting on or near a large water source.

Simple brute strength is pointless unless you have superior durability, otherwise someone who is faster then you will beat you. And Neji can kill Zabuza with one punch. So... *shrug*

The Mist doesn't cover an infinite area of land, and again it depends on if there's a water source around. Zabuza doesn't just randomly spout mist out of his ass. He needs a water source first. Same rules as above apply.

Despite that, even with mist activated it's not an automatic loss. Mist does not spread out infinitely, the only reason it was dangerous was because Kakashi and co. were on a bridge with no where to go. Weightless Lee's speed is incredible enough for him to, at the least escape from the mist depending on the area.

The location that this is taking place at is the ultimate answer really.

Where was Kakashi's speed when Zabuza almost killed him in their first fight?Maybe i watch a different Naruto from what you people watch because the one i watch Zabuza had the upper hand in their second fight until Kakashi's tracking dogs bit his arms.Let some big dogs bite your arms and lets see how fast you could swing a sword.
Zabuza only needed the mist to began with because Kakashi has a sharingan eye.You people act like the ony way Zabuza could beat anyone is if he is hiding in mist when the offical japanese ninja stats state he is a 9 out of 10 in taijutsu a 9 out of 10 in ninjutsu and pretty much a 8 or higher at every other ninja skill besides genjutsu

Haku also was getting slower by the time the sharingan awakened because of how much chakra was being drained using that technique. Sasuke could also see Lee fine..he just couldn't react. Haku also wasn't trying to kill Sasuke nor Naruto.

Exactly the japanese manga stated that the demonic ice mirrors use alot of chakra to keep up and haku moving at high speeds also burns up alot of chakra which is the reason Sasuke could track him at the end.Even Sasuke said he knew Haku was never trying to kill him even at the end when Sasuke sharingan emerged.As i said we don't know how powerful Haku was because he wasn't a killer.Based on what i read in the official japanese naruto guide's to become a Jonin a ninja need to know at least 2 elemental Jutsu so apparently Zabuza would have to know at least 2 right and the fact he wasn't just a regular Jonin he was a elite Jonin so he probably knew more than 2.
I also said this so let me repeat it.There was no way that Zabuza or Haku could win the fight again Naruto,Sasuke and Kakashi because if they did the show would be over.Think abou it...why didn't Haku try to kill Kakashi when Zabuza was injured up against the tree in their first fight?There would be no way for Kakashi to know Haku would throw needles at him so there would be no way to avoid it.Why didn't Zabuza's water clone didn't just kill Naruto and Sasuke instead of just punching them around a little.Why did Zabuza only swing his head cleaving sword once in their second fight and then put it on his back?Kakashi had no way to know where Zabuza was in the mist but Zabuza knew how to kill Kakashi just by using sound alone.
Most of you think just because Rock Lee and Might Gai can open the 8 inner gates that means they cant be defeated which is hilarious since opening 5 gates agaist Gaara who was a chunin level fighter almost got him killed.Zabuza is also better at taijutsu than lee is or even Kakashi.Might Gai is one of the fastest people on the show but none of the characters on naruto think Gai is a better ninja than Kakashi do they and Kakashi,Lee,Haku and Zabuza speed are all 8 out of 10 compared to Gai's 10 out of 10.Even if you look at Nenji and Rock Lee's stats after the time skip neither is even close to Zabuza's level yet.Rock Lee stats are basically the same as they were when the show started.
I doubt Neji and Rock Lee together could beat Zabuza never mind Zabuza and Haku together.

Originally posted by big juggy man
Where was Kakashi's speed when Zabuza almost killed him in their first fight?

Last I checked the first fight also took place directly on a lake, where Zabuza ahd the advantage in every way. But wait. Where was Zabuza's speed when Kakashi BEAT him? Once Kakashi stopped playing around and acivated his sharingan he made Zabuza look like a clown, actually believing that he could see the future.

Maybe i watch a different Naruto from what you people watch because the one i watch Zabuza had the upper hand in their second fight until Kakashi's tracking dogs bit his arms.Let some big dogs bite your arms and lets see how fast you could swing a sword.

Kakashi used the dogs to keep Zabuza in one place so he could use his raikiri. Ninja can take having big ass shuriken thrown into there backs, impaled with hundreds of senbon needles, stabbed with kunai, set on fire, thrown into mountains at high velocities, and not even care. Why would a couple of dog bites, which weren't even that deep, be so damaging? Sounds like BS to me. Zabuza didn't lose the ability to use his sword right until Kakashi stabbed him in the elbows with his kunai, but by that point the fight was already mostly over. Zabuza never had a chance of beating Kakashi when Kakashi goes all out.

Zabuza only needed the mist to began with because Kakashi has a sharingan eye.You people act like the ony way Zabuza could beat anyone is if he is hiding in mist when the offical japanese ninja stats state he is a 9 out of 10 in taijutsu a 9 out of 10 in ninjutsu and pretty much a 8 or higher at every other ninja skill besides genjutsu

Number stats mean nothing. Feats and abilities are the only thing that matter in debates.

Haku also was getting slower by the time the sharingan awakened because of how much chakra was being drained using that technique. Sasuke could also see Lee fine..he just couldn't react. Haku also wasn't trying to kill Sasuke nor Naruto.

Don't see what this has to do with anything. He's not getting past Neji's kaiten. And Neji's chakra will last a lot longer then Haku's will if he uses ice mirrors.

But again. Who says Haku would last long enough to use it? I still say Neji kills him before he can use it.

Most of you think just because Rock Lee and Might Gai can open the 8 inner gates that means they cant be defeated which is hilarious since opening 5 gates agaist Gaara who was a chunin level fighter almost got him killed.

Gaara would kill Haku with utter ease. He'd beat him in maybe.... ten, twenty seconds tops? And unless Zabuza used some uber water jutsu, Gaara would rape him as well.

Zabuza is also better at taijutsu than lee is or even Kakashi.Might Gai is one of the fastest people on the show but none of the characters on naruto think Gai is a better ninja than Kakashi do they and Kakashi,Lee,Haku and Zabuza speed are all 8 out of 10 compared to Gai's 10 out of 10.Even if you look at Nenji and Rock Lee's stats after the time skip neither is even close to Zabuza's level yet.Rock Lee stats are basically the same as they were when the show started.
I doubt Neji and Rock Lee together could beat Zabuza never mind Zabuza and Haku together.

You're using stats, which don't count as canon sources in debates.

The fact of that matter is that what we've seen of Zabuza's taijutsu and sword skills are pathetic in comparison with the likes of Neji, Rock Lee, and kakashi who straight up pwned Zabuza once he quit playing around.

Wait Gaara beating Zabuza? Gaara is powerful sure, and even more so when he unleashes Shukaku..though that can be argued about it not being Gaara...however Gaara isn't going to go around easily killing the top dogs. Actually Gai was able to stop his sand pretty easy as it was going in to kill Lee. Not one of those genin ever proved they had what it takes to beat a Jonin. Kakashi's sharingan is what got him the win against Zabuza. Kakashi's sharingan would get him a win over a lot of people as strong and as skilled as him though. Zabuza not being able to beat the sharingan has no bearing on this match at all. As for where they'd fight. Sure the OP could put them wherever he wanted but do you think Zabuza would attack somebody unless it was around water? Going by personalities Zabuza fighting away from water would just be stupid and Zabuza isn't stupid. Neither Lee nor Neji would do half as well as Zabuza did. They may be strong genin but during the first half of the Naruto they weren't even close to Jonin level. And where they stand now isn't known even if Neji is Jonin that says he's powerful but not if he's top rank of the Jonin or bottom of it.

If Gaara were to wrap himself completely in sand like he did against Sawsgay, I don't see Zabuza beating him.

People toss the word "Jounin" around like it means something. It's nothing more then a title, like king or commander. Only thing that really matters is what we've seen these people do in combat. And what we've seen from Neji and Rock Lee is quite simply much more impressive then what we've seen either Haku or Zabuza do.

If Lee nearly kicked Gaara's ass in the chunin exams, he might be able to harm Zabuza. If Neji was trapped in that mirror jutsu created by Haku, when Haku jumps from mirror to mirror throwing those needles, Neji can push them back all the time just by using that jutsu that has him rotating fast enough to make the wind currents stronger to push back almost anything that comes near him. If possible, Haku will get exhausted leaping from mirror to mirror and he uses up all his chakra causing the mirrors to disappear. Even with Haku going super fast, Neji will still own him.

ROCK LEE AND NEJI OWN THE GUY IN BANDAGES, AND THE GUY WHO LOOKS LIKE A WOMAN. If you ask me, Haku's gay for Zabuza 😆