rock lee and neji vs zabuza and haku

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Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
Only thing that really matters is what we've seen these people do in combat. And what we've seen from Neji and Rock Lee is quite simply much more impressive then what we've seen either Haku or Zabuza do.

Hell even early Sasuke without the Sharingan beat Haku at Taijutsu and called him slow. How the hell can he react to either Neji or Lee's attack. Sure his demonic ice mirrors is deadly but either of the 2 can hold their own until he runs out of Chakra and they would start pummeling his girly @ss.

Zabusa's main taijutsu would be a slash or a thrust. If he engage Neji in Taijutsu in his initial attack. One strike from a Gentle Fist and he would be paralyze. And unable to move. Neji would then go set him up for the 64 or 128 points of divinity which will then cause Haku to take it in instead of Zabusa. Leaving then Zabusa still paralyze to be finished off by a either a Lotus or Another Points of Divinity.

Originally posted by Kento
Haku also was getting slower by the time the sharingan awakened because of how much chakra was being drained using that technique. Sasuke could also see Lee fine..he just couldn't react. Haku also wasn't trying to kill Sasuke nor Naruto.

Haku was getting slow because his chakra was depleted, yes. But is Sasuke also in top condition when he dodge those needles? No he was also at his limit because yeah he was also at the fight that cause Haku to exhaust his chakra.

When he fought Lee on the other hand he was fresh and ready to fight but still could't react to what he sees.

Plus if you compare a kick to needle. I think a needle is much harder to evade than a kick. But he avoided the needle and not the kick. Thus I conclude that:

Lee's speed is faster than Haku's needles.

Well, it's actually quite possible that Lee's kicks > Haku's senbon, but that's easy to see. Even though he was getting his ass kicked, he was able to dodge/deflect many of the senbon. The danger isn't the senbon speed so much as Haku's movement speed though. He moves so fast that even if the senbon are dodgeable there are so many coming at once that you get overwhelmed.

So while Lee's kick might be > Haku's senbon, I don't think Lee is faster or as fast as Haku when he's doing the demon mirrors. Though he'd kick his ass in a taijutsu fight.

Doesn't matter though. LEe hangs with Zabuza. Neji easily defeats Haku.

Neji has to spin to use Kaiten. Haku in the mirrors speed is enough to hit a bunch of Naruto's spread around in a group many times, and is so fast it looks like Naruto is standing still. I think it is a fair guess Haku can kill Neji before he can do Kaiten.

I disagree. As noted the senbon needles themselves don't move that fast, it's just that there's so many of them that it's hard to dodge them.

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
I disagree. As noted the senbon needles themselves don't move that fast, it's just that there's so many of them that it's hard to dodge them.
No, but Haku moving out of the mirrors is fast. 😐

Right. So.. ? His movement speed is fast, but not to the point where he can just tackle Neji like I think you're trying to say.
Don't forget that aside from the twirl, he can simply release chakra fro his pores and it'll act like a shield but without the deflection power, and that version is activated with a mere thought...

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
Right. So.. ? His movement speed is fast, but not to the point where he can just tackle Neji like I think you're trying to say.
Don't forget that aside from the twirl, he can simply release chakra fro his pores and it'll act like a shield but without the deflection power, and that version is activated with a mere thought...
True, but Neji will have to be doing that constantly, he will have no time for attack and will run out of chakra eventually.

And Zabuza wrecks Lee.

Neji's kaiten takes less chakra to use then Haku's demon ice mirrors. This has been said, constantly, by people in here. Even the pro-Haku ones. Neji will simply outlast Haku and kill him easily. And again, this is all if Haku lives long enough to use the ice mirrors in the first place, which he wont because Neji is far faster and a far superior fighter then Haku outside of ice mirrors, and can kill him with one punch. Haku would only have time to use the ice mirrors if we used stupid anime logic. Neji stands in one spot like a dumb**** staring in awe as a bunch of slow ass mirrors rise up around him. Not going to happen.

We're going in circles. If you want your statement to mean anything other then you're obviously biased in Zabuza and Haku's favor, go refute the last five pro-Rock Lee arguments that you have ever so conveniently chosen to ignore. Otherwise, I'll pass it off as a rave from a fanboy, and move on.

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
Neji's kaiten takes less chakra to use then Haku's demon ice mirrors. This has been said, constantly, by people in here. Even the pro-Haku ones. Neji will simply outlast Haku and kill him easily. And again, this is all if Haku lives long enough to use the ice mirrors in the first place, which he wont because Neji is far faster and a far superior fighter then Haku outside of ice mirrors, and can kill him with one punch. Haku would only have time to use the ice mirrors if we used stupid anime logic. Neji stands in one spot like a dumb**** staring in awe as a bunch of slow ass mirrors rise up around him. Not going to happen.

We're going in circles. If you want your statement to mean anything other then you're obviously biased in Zabuza and Haku's favor, go refute the last five pro-Rock Lee arguments that you have ever so conveniently chosen to ignore. Otherwise, I'll pass it off as a rave from a fanboy, and move on.

1. Neji's Kaiten takes less to use, yes, but he would have to constantly use it, so over time Haku will lose chakra, but Neji if forced to use Kaiten every nanosecond...Yeah, he is gonna lose chakra faster. Haku's jutsu drains him of chakra slowly, wheras Kaiten takes chakra everytime it is used. It is not like everytime Haku leaves a mirror he loses chakra. Far faster? Not really, he is not as fast as you make him out to be, certainly not Rock Lee speed. And for one...Who the hell says Haku and Neji fight? If Zabuza fights Neji, he will be destroyed.

2. Kay. Zabuza has shown speed to physically keep up with Kakashi, who is faster than Neji and as fast as Lee. Zabuza has shown greater physical strength as well. And with the Mist, he will be invisible, even to the Byakugan, which could prolly see his chakra, but not Zabuza himself, nor will he see his sword. Also, one other thing you have not remembered is Haku's ability to easily find the weakness of any jutsu, in this case, the blind side of the Byakugan. Using that, he can put a senbon directly where the blindspot is located, and Neji will not be able to do shit. And Zabuza's strongest Water Jutsus will destroy Neji or Lee.

Now, you can say,"But there's no wata!!!!!" But I think it is fairly obvious that this battle was meant to take place in an area where the opponent's get all their abilities to use(as is KMC rule btw), so...Yeah.

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
Neji's kaiten takes less chakra to use then Haku's demon ice mirrors. This has been said, constantly, by people in here. Even the pro-Haku ones. Neji will simply outlast Haku and kill him easily. And again, this is all if Haku lives long enough to use the ice mirrors in the first place, which he wont because Neji is far faster and a far superior fighter then Haku outside of ice mirrors, and can kill him with one punch. Haku would only have time to use the ice mirrors if we used stupid anime logic. Neji stands in one spot like a dumb**** staring in awe as a bunch of slow ass mirrors rise up around him. Not going to happen.

We're going in circles. If you want your statement to mean anything other then you're obviously biased in Zabuza and Haku's favor, go refute the last five pro-Rock Lee arguments that you have ever so conveniently chosen to ignore. Otherwise, I'll pass it off as a rave from a fanboy, and move on.

Agreed, Nejis can block/deflect anything thrown at him by Hakus ice mirrors. Frankly haku wont evn get dat opportunity as he will be dead. Neji is a much better taijutsu fighter and can stop haku from performing any jutsu with just one hit and then proceed to kill him with the next one. His Byakugan will also allow him to see haku from any directiom and avoid getting trapped in the ice mirrors. Rock lee is fast enough to hang with zabuza long enough fro neji to assist him and then the fights over

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. Neji's Kaiten takes less to use, yes, but he would have to constantly use it, so over time Haku will lose chakra, but Neji if forced to use Kaiten every nanosecond...Yeah, he is gonna lose chakra faster. Haku's jutsu drains him of chakra slowly, wheras Kaiten takes chakra everytime it is used. It is not like everytime Haku leaves a mirror he loses chakra. Far faster? Not really, he is not as fast as you make him out to be, certainly not Rock Lee speed. And for one...Who the hell says Haku and Neji fight? If Zabuza fights Neji, he will be destroyed.

2. Kay. Zabuza has shown speed to physically keep up with Kakashi, who is faster than Neji and as fast as Lee. Zabuza has shown greater physical strength as well. And with the Mist, he will be invisible, even to the Byakugan, which could prolly see his chakra, but not Zabuza himself, nor will he see his sword. Also, one other thing you have not remembered is Haku's ability to easily find the weakness of any jutsu, in this case, the blind side of the Byakugan. Using that, he can put a senbon directly where the blindspot is located, and Neji will not be able to do shit. And Zabuza's strongest Water Jutsus will destroy Neji or Lee.

Now, you can say,"But there's no wata!!!!!" But I think it is fairly obvious that this battle was meant to take place in an area where the opponent's get all their abilities to use(as is KMC rule btw), so...Yeah.

Neji is not getting caught in those ice mirrors period. Byakugan allows him to see them from any direction and promptly exit. Also Neji is considerably faster than Haku. An example of his speed is seen when he fought the sound ninja who then commeneted on how fast Neji was.

Also Neji will be able to see zabuzas bodys chakra outline. This will help him avoid zabuzas attacks. Neji might not beat zabuza one on one but he can survive long enough for lee to arrive and together they win

Originally posted by ultimatethor
Neji is not getting caught in those ice mirrors period. Byakugan allows him to see them from any direction and promptly exit. Also Neji is considerably faster than Haku. An example of his speed is seen when he fought the sound ninja who then commeneted on how fast Neji was.

Also Neji will be able to see zabuzas bodys chakra outline. This will help him avoid zabuzas attacks. Neji might not beat zabuza one on one but he can survive long enough for lee to arrive and together they win

1. Nope, has a blindspot, which Haku will exploit. And Zabuza is considerably faster than Neji, point?

2. Kay, he won't see his sword coming towards him. He will die, the Mist believe it or not will fvck up the Byakugan.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. Nope, has a blindspot, which Haku will exploit. And Zabuza is considerably faster than Neji, point?

2. Kay, he won't see his sword coming towards him. He will die, the Mist believe it or not will fvck up the Byakugan.

The way you talk about the byakugan, u make it seem like it is better to have normal eyes. The only reason nejis blind spot was exploited was because the sound ninja was fighting him from a distance that was beyond the byakugans reach and he evn admitted that he would be dead in direct physical combat. How is haku going to exploit the blind spot when he is fighting neji head on like he did against naruto and sasuke before the mirrors? Did they not have blind spots? How is haku ging to exploit nejis blind spoy when neji is facing him all the time and trying to attack? The ice mirrors come up in different directions and are visible to people wit normal eyes let alone the byakugan. This whole business of exploiting his blind spot is just rubbish.

And then to the thing of Zabuzas sword, Nejis byakugan has shown that it can work as an x ray and see through substances, just like he did in the chunin exam where he looked through somebody. He can look through the mist and see the sword.

1. Neji's Kaiten takes less to use, yes, but he would have to constantly use it, so over time Haku will lose chakra, but Neji if forced to use Kaiten every nanosecond...Yeah, he is gonna lose chakra faster. Haku's jutsu drains him of chakra slowly, wheras Kaiten takes chakra everytime it is used. It is not like everytime Haku leaves a mirror he loses chakra. Far faster? Not really, he is not as fast as you make him out to be, certainly not Rock Lee speed.

He'd only have to use it when Haku attacks, and yes whenever Haku uses that attack he loses chakra. That's why he slows down. Moving that fast burns through his chakra. So the only way Neji would have to "defend constantly" would be if Haku attacks constantly. Haku's chakra will burn far faster then Neji's will. So no. And Neji is > Rock Lee without his weights on, that's why Rock Lee learned to use the gates it was, according to him, his way of beating Neji. If he could defeat him with his weights off he wouldn't need a move specifically designed to beat him.

And for one...Who the hell says Haku and Neji fight? If Zabuza fights Neji, he will be destroyed.

Now I know you're reaching for straws, this is the most pathetic thing you've said so far.

Who the hell says they won't? And Zabuza will never defeat Neji.

Neji has a Byakugan that allows him to see through any object, including mist. He can also see in every direction at once, so there is no way Zabuza will sneak up on him. Neji's attack speed >>> Zabuza's attack speed by far far far. So the way the score is, Zabuza has no way of sneaking up on him, so he's going to have to fight him head-on. Neji is far faster, and unlike Zabuza one punch to any part of his body will completely **** him up. One punch to the chest will kill him. Neji won't be getting hit by Zabuza's slow moving sword after what we've seen him dodge. So no, Neji would wreck Zabuza's shit in a straight up fight.

2. Kay. Zabuza has shown speed to physically keep up with Kakashi, who is faster than Neji and as fast as Lee.

No he hasn't. Both times when Kakashi got serious he raped him. Kakashi easily dodged Zabuza's sword slash while tending to Haku, and Zabuza came up from behind, yet he couldn't do him in. Zabuza can't hold a candle to kakashi in anything except brute strength, otherwise he's his *****.

Zabuza has shown greater physical strength as well.

I'm not even going to waste my time at this point. Here,


Simple brute strength is pointless unless you have superior durability, otherwise someone who is faster then you will beat you. And Neji can kill Zabuza with one punch. So... *shrug*
And with the Mist, he will be invisible, even to the Byakugan, which could prolly see his chakra, but not Zabuza himself,

Prove it. Prove the Byakugan can't see through fog.

Also, one other thing you have not remembered is Haku's ability to easily find the weakness of any jutsu, in this case, the blind side of the Byakugan.

Show me.

Using that, he can put a senbon directly where the blindspot is located, and Neji will not be able to do shit.

Even if he does have this "zOMG uber haxx pwoerz", only Neji's byakugan has this blindspot. The kaiten is completely impenetrable. Try again.

And Zabuza's strongest Water Jutsus will destroy Neji or Lee.

Now, you can say,"But there's no wata!!!!!" But I think it is fairly obvious that this battle was meant to take place in an area where the opponent's get all their abilities to use(as is KMC rule btw), so...Yeah. [/B]

What you "think", doesn't mean anything. That's like automatically assuming that any match involving Gaara and Sandman will start in a desert so they can fully use there abilities, or that Malak automatically starts on the Star Forge so that he can use hsi special amped abilities. And there's no rule stating that.

So no. However, just to humor you, I don't see why the Kaiten couldn't protect him from a water attack. Better yet, I don't see why Neji can't just dodge it. Or speed blittz. Let's take a look shall we.

YouTube video

YouTube video

I suppose that you're going to say next that Neji is just going to stand there, like an idiot, and let Zabzua do all 50 of those hand seals? No. Zabuza will never have enough time to do that. Show me Zabuza pulling off any of those attacks in the heat of combat, without his opponentn just staring at him not moving thirty feet away on a lake, wiithout anime PIS, and you might actually have a case.

1. Nope, has a blindspot, which Haku will exploit. And Zabuza is considerably faster than Neji, point?

Neji is leagues faster then Zabuza. Prove otherwise. And as for the blindspot...


Even if he does have this "zOMG uber haxx pwoerz", only Neji's byakugan has this blindspot. The kaiten is completely impenetrable. Try again.
2. Kay, he won't see his sword coming towards him. He will die, the Mist believe it or not will fvck up the Byakugan.

Prove it.

Originally posted by ultimatethor
The way you talk about the byakugan, u make it seem like it is better to have normal eyes. The only reason nejis blind spot was exploited was because the sound ninja was fighting him from a distance that was beyond the byakugans reach and he evn admitted that he would be dead in direct physical combat. How is haku going to exploit the blind spot when he is fighting neji head on like he did against naruto and sasuke before the mirrors? Did they not have blind spots? How is haku ging to exploit nejis blind spoy when neji is facing him all the time and trying to attack? The ice mirrors come up in different directions and are visible to people wit normal eyes let alone the byakugan. This whole business of exploiting his blind spot is just rubbish.

And then to the thing of Zabuzas sword, Nejis byakugan has shown that it can work as an x ray and see through substances, just like he did in the chunin exam where he looked through somebody. He can look through the mist and see the sword.

1. No, it is a literal area near the back of the head that Neji cannot see from. Head on? Idk, by putting a Senbon in it? He was not trying to really harm Naruto or Sasuke. Haku can fly from the mirrors with speed and put a senbon in the back of his head.

2. See through the mist? That is like saying he can see through air. There is mist all around, he cannot see through the mist.

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
He'd only have to use it when Haku attacks, and yes whenever Haku uses that attack he loses chakra. That's why he slows down. Moving that fast burns through his chakra. So the only way Neji would have to "defend constantly" would be if Haku attacks constantly. Haku's chakra will burn far faster then Neji's will. So no. And Neji is > Rock Lee without his weights on, that's why Rock Lee learned to use the gates it was, according to him, his way of beating Neji. If he could defeat him with his weights off he wouldn't need a move specifically designed to beat him.

Now I know you're reaching for straws, this is the most pathetic thing you've said so far.

Who the hell says they won't? And Zabuza will never defeat Neji.

Neji has a Byakugan that allows him to see through any object, including mist. He can also see in every direction at once, so there is no way Zabuza will sneak up on him. Neji's attack speed >>> Zabuza's attack speed by far far far. So the way the score is, Zabuza has no way of sneaking up on him, so he's going to have to fight him head-on. Neji is far faster, and unlike Zabuza one punch to any part of his body will completely **** him up. One punch to the chest will kill him. Neji won't be getting hit by Zabuza's slow moving sword after what we've seen him dodge. So no, Neji would wreck Zabuza's shit in a straight up fight.

No he hasn't. Both times when Kakashi got serious he raped him. Kakashi easily dodged Zabuza's sword slash while tending to Haku, and Zabuza came up from behind, yet he couldn't do him in. Zabuza can't hold a candle to kakashi in anything except brute strength, otherwise he's his *****.

I'm not even going to waste my time at this point. Here,

Prove it. Prove the Byakugan can't see through fog.

Show me.

Even if he does have this "zOMG uber haxx pwoerz", only Neji's byakugan has this blindspot. The kaiten is completely impenetrable. Try again.

What you "think", doesn't mean anything. That's like automatically assuming that any match involving Gaara and Sandman will start in a desert so they can fully use there abilities, or that Malak automatically starts on the Star Forge so that he can use hsi special amped abilities. And there's no rule stating that.

So no. However, just to humor you, I don't see why the Kaiten couldn't protect him from a water attack. Better yet, I don't see why Neji can't just dodge it. Or speed blittz. Let's take a look shall we.

YouTube video

YouTube video

I suppose that you're going to say next that Neji is just going to stand there, like an idiot, and let Zabzua do all 50 of those hand seals? No. Zabuza will never have enough time to do that. Show me Zabuza pulling off any of those attacks in the heat of combat, without his opponentn just staring at him not moving thirty feet away on a lake, wiithout anime PIS, and you might actually have a case.

Neji is leagues faster then Zabuza. Prove otherwise. And as for the blindspot...

Prove it.

Meh. Gonna go play some basketball with some friends. I'll destroy your inevitable reply when I get back, foo'!super13

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. No, it is a literal area near the back of the head that Neji cannot see from. Head on? Idk, by putting a Senbon in it? He was not trying to really harm Naruto or Sasuke. Haku can fly from the mirrors with speed and put a senbon in the back of his head.

2. See through the mist? That is like saying he can see through air. There is mist all around, he cannot see through the mist.

It seems u dont understand that haku is not going to be able to use the mirrors at all. Heck see how slowly they came up. Nejis byakugan will allow him to easily evade the mirrors. Nejis blindspot can only be exploited by haku if he is in the mirrors but he will neva get such a chance. Neji will utterly dominate haku in direct physical combat and win easily as he has numerous advantages.

And how can you compare mist and air. For one air is a clear gas and hence vision is not impaired. Mist is however a totally different story as it does impair vision. Mist is not clear and hence normal human beings cannot see throughout. As long as it is not clear neji can see through it and will see in all directions.

Mist is nothing more then air with water vapor and drops of water in it, hence, it's matter. The Byakugan allows the user to see through all forms of matter, so he can see through mist, yes.

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
He'd only have to use it when Haku attacks, and yes whenever Haku uses that attack he loses chakra. That's why he slows down. Moving that fast burns through his chakra. So the only way Neji would have to "defend constantly" would be if Haku attacks constantly. Haku's chakra will burn far faster then Neji's will. So no. And Neji is > Rock Lee without his weights on, that's why Rock Lee learned to use the gates it was, according to him, his way of beating Neji. If he could defeat him with his weights off he wouldn't need a move specifically designed to beat him.

Now I know you're reaching for straws, this is the most pathetic thing you've said so far.

Who the hell says they won't? And Zabuza will never defeat Neji.

Neji has a Byakugan that allows him to see through any object, including mist. He can also see in every direction at once, so there is no way Zabuza will sneak up on him. Neji's attack speed >>> Zabuza's attack speed by far far far. So the way the score is, Zabuza has no way of sneaking up on him, so he's going to have to fight him head-on. Neji is far faster, and unlike Zabuza one punch to any part of his body will completely **** him up. One punch to the chest will kill him. Neji won't be getting hit by Zabuza's slow moving sword after what we've seen him dodge. So no, Neji would wreck Zabuza's shit in a straight up fight.

No he hasn't. Both times when Kakashi got serious he raped him. Kakashi easily dodged Zabuza's sword slash while tending to Haku, and Zabuza came up from behind, yet he couldn't do him in. Zabuza can't hold a candle to kakashi in anything except brute strength, otherwise he's his *****.

I'm not even going to waste my time at this point. Here,

Prove it. Prove the Byakugan can't see through fog.

Show me.

Even if he does have this "zOMG uber haxx pwoerz", only Neji's byakugan has this blindspot. The kaiten is completely impenetrable. Try again.

What you "think", doesn't mean anything. That's like automatically assuming that any match involving Gaara and Sandman will start in a desert so they can fully use there abilities, or that Malak automatically starts on the Star Forge so that he can use hsi special amped abilities. And there's no rule stating that.

So no. However, just to humor you, I don't see why the Kaiten couldn't protect him from a water attack. Better yet, I don't see why Neji can't just dodge it. Or speed blittz. Let's take a look shall we.

YouTube video

YouTube video

I suppose that you're going to say next that Neji is just going to stand there, like an idiot, and let Zabzua do all 50 of those hand seals? No. Zabuza will never have enough time to do that. Show me Zabuza pulling off any of those attacks in the heat of combat, without his opponentn just staring at him not moving thirty feet away on a lake, wiithout anime PIS, and you might actually have a case.

Neji is leagues faster then Zabuza. Prove otherwise. And as for the blindspot...

Prove it.

1. For one, when is the last time we have seen Neji do a constant Kaiten? Haku can press the offensive, and I have never seen Neji use Kaiten over and over again. Neji is faster than Rock Lee without the weights? Lol, prove it, he has never shown to be that fast, EVER. Overall he is better than Lee, but Lee takes speed. Oh, and Haku's reaction time with throwing Senbon is phenomenol, he was able to catch Zabuza's shuriken easily.

Oh yeah, btw, Haku's Ice Mirrors are only slow in anime. In manga, they are near instant.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/24/Naruto24-11/

And as we see, Sasuke was not able to react at all to being attacked by multiple needles, one could kill if Haku wished.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/24/Naruto24-16/

Shown again here, only with both Naruto and Sasuke.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/25/Naruto25-09/

2. I would prefer you not insult me.

Who says they will? This battle can go many ways. And Zabuza will DESTROY Neji.

Including mist? Prove it. He sees through people by using it to see past objects, there is mist everywhere here. He can see past all the mist eh? No he cannot. Zabuza can't sneak because Neji will see his chakra, but he won't see his sword flying towards him. Neji is far faster? Never shown it. Zabuza can travel like a hundred feet instantly the moment his sword hit a tree so he could land on it. He is fast enough to fight Kakashi, he is fast enough to fight Neji. Any hit to his body? Like every hit to Hinata or Naruto crippled them? Lol. Any sword slash from Zabuza will cripple Neji, his name is "Never Cuts Twice" for a reason. One hit to the head, abdomen, or arm, will cripple of kill Neji. Slow moving? He could hit Kakashi with it. Oh, and when Kakashi dashed to save Sasuke from Haku's Ice Mirrors, Zabuza was fast enough to get in his path before he could make any real distance. And here is Zabuza shown rushing Kakashi and wounding him.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/26/Naruto26-03/

Here is one of him blitzing Kakashi, who with the Sharingan was able to block, and then appearing behind Kakashi.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/26/Naruto26-11/

Here is Zabuza callin Kakashi too slow lolz.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/26/Naruto26-14/

3. He easily dodged a Zabuza with ever limb on his body fvcked up, along with his neck and back, and with one arm useless. Yeah, I think it is pretty safe to say Zabuza's speed was compromised. Zabuza the first battle beat Kakashi, who had help to escape the prison. Zabuza's confidence got in the way. He was then ill prepared to handle the Sharingan. Second time Zabuza had the upper hand, until Kakashi summoned dogs from the ground...Let's be honest, who the hell would have expected that shit?

Oh, and here is some evidence that Zabuza was not going all out, he was not getting "Beat like an idiot", he had Haku observing for their next fight so he can properly fight the Sharingan.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/26/Naruto26-08/

4. It is like a super telescope, it can see past things, but when said thing is all that surrounds you and the person that you are tryin to see is in said thing, well it will be useless. Oh, and as for saying prove it cannot see through fog, I can't prove a negative, you have to prove it can.

5. http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/26/Naruto26-08/

Keep on reading to hear Zabuza explaining what Haku observed.

Hell, actually here it is.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/26/Naruto26-14/

6. Yeah, there is. The Star Forge is an amp. And the rules clearly state they all have access to all their abilities.

7. Once again, fvck the anime.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/15/naruto_v02_ch015_154/

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/15/naruto_v02_ch015_155/

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/15/naruto_v02_ch015_156/

"That many seals, and in seconds"

Lolz

Read the friggin manga.

8. Already did.