Originally posted by Galan007
IF MJJ could render himself, as well as every other being in existence "thoughtless"... He could destroy the concept of Dream.
then he'd win and be a veggie. But does MJJ have that kind of omniversal power to do it all at once? And what can dream do to strike back at MJJ?
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlMJJ could easily render every being in his warp without thoughts or dreams.
then he'd win and be a veggie. But does MJJ have that kind of omniversal power to do it all at once? And what can dream do to strike back at MJJ?
However,
IF MJJ was able to wipe his own mind, he would be depowering himself at the same time...
Think about it.... What do the powers of a top-tier reality manipulator mainly depend on?
Thoughts/visions/dreams.
ALL of which keep Morpheus "needed" as a concept. 🙂
Originally posted by Galan007
MJJ could easily render every being in his warp without thoughts or dreams.
Definitely.
Originally posted by Galan007
However,IF MJJ was able to wipe his own mind, he would be depowering himself at the same time...
Assuming Jaspers needs to dream to begin with. (he can easily supress the concept)
But beyond that, why would Jaspers need to wipe out his own mind?
When Jaspers controls any concept within his warp, (like dreams)
and that applies to himself just aswell.
If Jaspers needed to wipe out his own mind to control/defeat "Dream" (a Concept)
then Jaspers would've had to wipe himself out entirely
to control/overcome Time & Space (616 Universe) which he warped.
Originally posted by Galan007
Think about it.... What do the powers of a top-tier reality manipulator mainly depend on?Thoughts/visions/dreams.
ALL of which keep Morpheus "needed" as a concept. [/B]
A thought is not a dream though.
And that is all Jaspers needs to control any concept within his warp.
Originally posted by Mr MasterMorpheus = lord of all that's associated with dreams, [thoughts certainly fall into this catagory]. 🙂
Assuming Jaspers needs to dream to begin with. (he can easily supress the concept)But beyond that, why would Jaspers need to wipe out his own mind?
When Jaspers controls any concept within his warp, (like dreams)
and that applies to himself just aswell.If Jaspers needed to wipe out his own mind to control/defeat "Dream" (a Concept)
then Jaspers would've had to wipe himself out entirely
to control/overcome Time & Space (616 Universe) which he warped.A thought is not a dream though.
And that is all Jaspers needs to control any concept within his warp.
Anyhow,
The only real way MJJ could eliminate the concept Morpheus represents, would be to make everyone in his warp a completely thoughtless vegetable, [this includes himself as well].
Even IF Jaspers accomplished this, not only would he be powerless, but he would have only succeeded in defeating a Universal aspect of Morpheus, [whom is a Multiversal entity].
Originally posted by Galan007
Morpheus = lord of all that's associated with dreams,
[thoughts certainly fall into this catagory].
First time I ever here that my thoughts are dreams.
Originally posted by Galan007
Anyhow,The only real way MJJ could eliminate the concept Morpheus represents, would be to make everyone in his warp a completely thoughtless vegetable,
Thoughts aren't dreams.
Dreams take place in the subconscious.
Thoughts are produced in the conscious mind.
Jaspers can elimate the Concept of Dreams,
by twisting it's fundamental and/or abstract nature,
or simply by replacing the Concept with himself
(Like he did with all the 616 concepts)
Originally posted by Galan007
[this includes himself as well].
Again, Jaspers can eliminate the Concept of dreams.
Or Jaspers can replace the concept with himself.
Or Jaspers can create a Reality where the concept of Dreams is non-existent,
or inconsequential.
So many options for one who is,
Jaspers = lord of all Reality in his warp.
Originally posted by Galan007
Even IF Jaspers accomplished this, not only would he be powerless,
This is under the circumstances that You personally have created,
where Jaspers would need to make everyone a vegy including himself.
The fact is, that Jaspers was proven to be above Concepts on panel,
like becoming the 616 Universe.
Jaspers was above Merlyn,
who has manipulated/controlled every concept in the Omniverse.
Jaspers can negate or allow any and every aspect or concept
that's part of Reality within his warp.
eg. Jaspers doesn't have to erase your intestines,
to create a Reality where no one needs to take a shit anymore.
Because if he wishes it, it is, no matter how irrational or illogical his whim.
Originally posted by Galan007
but he would have only succeeded in defeating a Universal aspect of Morpheus, [whom is a Multiversal entity].
It begins at the Universal level,
and soon enough the Multiverse would be next,
and then the Omniverse.
No place left for a dream to take place.
Jaspers >>> Merlyn (Omniversal power)
Originally posted by Mr MasterYou're saying one isn't thinking when they dream? 😕
First time I ever here that my thoughts are dreams.Thoughts aren't dreams.
Dreams take place in the subconscious.
Thoughts are produced in the conscious mind.Jaspers can elimate the Concept of Dreams,
by twisting it's fundamental and/or abstract nature
Originally posted by Galan007
You're saying one isn't thinking when they dream?
I'm saying one isn't dreaming when they think. 🙂
Which is why Jaspers wouldn't have to make anyone an unthinking vegy
in order to rub out the concept of Dreams.
Jaspers would probably have to elimate the luxury of dreams from all beings,
but we do what must be done to win.
Or the other option is becoming the concept itself.
