Originally posted by Mr Master
Nah,the Warp expands exponentially on its own until the Omniverse is covered.
He does however need to think in order to mold and manipulate
what's been touched by his warp.But the Warp itself twists and turns Reality on it's own into madness.
"Uncontrolled energy?"
It's his energy, his power.
Doesn't matter, Dream wins. He can pull beings into his wrealm from thier conciousness into his where he controls all reality. And he beat the star conquerer this way.
If Jaspers doesn't need to think then why would it matter if dreams were thoughts or thoughts were dreams anyway? And if you don't mind I'd like to see the proof of him warping reality without thinking, I'm real curious how he can control things if he doesn't think. I can understand him warping things with out having to think as if it were some kind of automatic response making the world twist and turn, but how exactly can he do specific things if he doesn't think it up?
Originally posted by Galan007
The only proof I need is that you think when you Dream.
But you don't Dream when you think.
It can't be that complicated.
Originally posted by Galan007
So to say Morpheus doesn't control thoughts to some degree is ludacris, [not the rapper]. [/B]
I don't care what derogatory term you use.
Dream is Dream, not "Thought" or "Dream & Thoughts"
Dream controls dreams, the realm of dreams and nothing more.
You have no proof to the contrary only supposition good friend.
When you prove that I'm dreaming right now because I'm thinking as I type,
we'll proceed.
Time to burn trees, I'll be back. stoned
Originally posted by LordKaos
If Jaspers doesn't need to think then why would it matter if dreams were thoughts or thoughts were dreams anyway? And if you don't mind I'd like to see the proof of him warping reality without thinking,I'm real curious how he can control things if he doesn't think.
I never said that.
Originally posted by LordKaos
I can understand him warping things with out having to think as if it were some kind of automatic response making the world twist and turn, but how exactly can he do specific things if he doesn't think it up?
That's what I said, actually repeated several times.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Doesn't matter, Dream wins.
Doesn't matter, Jaspers wins.
See, that easy.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
He can pull beings into his wrealm from thier conciousness into his where he controls all reality. And he beat the star conquerer this way. [/B]
Like I care about who this "star conquerer" is.
It ain't Jaspers,
who's more powerful than Merlyn.
Merlyn controlled the life-force of the Omniverse. nuff said.
Originally posted by Mr Master
But you don't Dream when you think.It can't be that complicated.
I don't care what derogatory term you use.
Dream is Dream, not "Thought" or "Dream & Thoughts"
Dream controls dreams, the realm of dreams and nothing more.
You have no proof to the contrary only supposition good friend.
When you prove that I'm dreaming right now because I'm thinking as I type,
we'll proceed.Time to burn trees, I'll be back. stoned
And you still haven't addressed the point that DREAM beat the star conqueror who uses concious psi power of a universal magnitude. Dream beat the Star conqueror in the real world by pulling him wholly, in his entirety into the dream world and then making him a trinket on a chain.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Doesn't matter, Jaspers wins.See, that easy.
Like I care about who this "star conquerer" is.
It ain't Jaspers,
who's more powerful than Merlyn.Merlyn controlled the life-force of the Omniverse. nuff said.
Controlling the life force of the omniverse isn't the same. merlyn never tried to control MJJ's thoughts did he? Nuff said.
Originally posted by Mr Master
I never said that.That's what I said, actually repeated several times.
Ok so show me. I'm confused he just walks around and reality is altered by his presence and not his thoughts? So he doesn't have to activate his powers consciously? So wouldn't that make him susceptible to somebody who is the embodiment of dreams, the thoughts of the subconscious mind?
Originally posted by LordKaos
Ok so show me. I'm confused he just walks around and reality is altered by his presence and not his thoughts? So he doesn't have to activate his powers consciously? So wouldn't that make him susceptible to somebody who is the embodiment of dreams, the thoughts of the subconscious mind?
PWNED
Originally posted by LordKaos
Ok so show me. I'm confused he just walks around and reality is altered by his presence and not his thoughts?
Correct.
His power flows out of him auto style.
Originally posted by LordKaos
So he doesn't have to activate his powers consciously?
Consciously or subconsciously.
It just happens so long as he lives.
Originally posted by LordKaos
So wouldn't that make him susceptible to somebody who is the embodiment of dreams, the thoughts of the subconscious mind?
Nah.
It's not a conscious thing on any level.
It's just in his powerset.
Japsers only needs to think, to shape within his Warp.
otherwise the Warp automatically disfigures Reality.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Correct.His power flows out of him auto style.
Consciously or subconsciously.
It just happens so long as he lives.
Nah.
It's not a consiocus thing on any level.
It's just in his powerset.
Japsers only needs to think, to shape within his Warp.
otherwise the Warp automatically disfigures Reality.
Go read comics.
And stop wiping every nut that disagrees with me.
So what's stopping Dream from simply pulling MJJ into the dream world from the real? And what's stopping dream from simply taking over MJJ"s reality power thru his subconcious mind?
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
So what's stopping Dream from simply pulling MJJ into the dream world from the real? And what's stopping dream from simply taking over MJJ"s reality power thru his subconcious mind?
So what's stopping Jaspers from erasing Dream?
What's stopping Jaspers from replacing Dream?
What's stopping Jaspers from giving Dream a Nightmare where he scares himself to death?
What's stopping, what's stopping ... ahh please.
Yall act as though Jaspers is in defense mode here and can't strike back or first. 😆
Originally posted by Mr Master
😆Read a comic, then boast with meaning.
you should do the same. becuz you haven't rebuffed any of the ways I say dream wins other than who is the star conquered and this is Marvel and merlyn this. and all that bullshit. merlyn never tried any of the attacks that are at the disposal of Dream. So I dont' give a damn how powerful merlyn is if he didn't use the attacks that dream can. now you read a comic and then come back and tell me how MJJ beats someon who can literally pull him into thier wrealm. Or just take over his powers thru his subconicousl mind.
Originally posted by LordKaos
I mentioned that earlier along with lucid dreaming, meditation and trance states and even automatic bodily functions that are also governed by the SC mind.
When you prove that I'm dreaming right now because I'm thinking as we speak,
we'll proceed.
Until then, Jaspers blinks, no more Dreams, end of story.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
you should do the same. becuz you haven't rebuffed any of the ways I say dream wins other than who is the star conquered and this is Marvel and merlyn this. and all that bullshit. merlyn never tried any of the attacks that are at the disposal of Dream. So I dont' give a damn how powerful merlyn is if he didn't use the attacks that dream can. now you read a comic and then come back and tell me how MJJ beats someon who can literally pull him into thier wrealm. Or just take over his powers thru his subconicousl mind.
nuts
Originally posted by Mr Master
So what's stopping Jaspers from erasing Dream?What's stopping Jaspers from replacing Dream?
What's stopping Jaspers from giving Dream a Nightmare where he scares himself to death?
What's stopping, what's stopping ... ahh please.
Yall act as though Jaspers is in defense mode here and can't strike back or first. 😆
Originally posted by Mr Master
So what's stopping Jaspers from erasing Dream?What's stopping Jaspers from replacing Dream?
What's stopping Jaspers from giving Dream a Nightmare where he scares himself to death?
What's stopping, what's stopping ... ahh please.
Yall act as though Jaspers is in defense mode here and can't strike back or first. 😆
Jaspers can Erase dream unless he erases all Thinking beings in creation. As long as someone thinks, then dream lives. inlcuding himself. Also when has jaspers ever been shown to be able to give a multiversal concept nightmares? He has psi powers now?
Originally posted by Mr MasterThat was just one facet of this debate concerning MJJ's inability to kill the concept of Dream.
I don't care what derogatory term you use.Dream is Dream, not "Thought" or "Dream & Thoughts"
Dream controls dreams, the realm of dreams and nothing more.
You have no proof to the contrary only supposition good friend.
When you prove that I'm dreaming right now because I'm thinking as I type,
we'll proceed.
I have yet to delve into things like Dream's ability to pull outside beings into his realm. 🙂