Michael's Suicide Gauntlet

Originally posted by leonheartmm
so basically, you are repeating yourself ans saying that marvel is free to use its own paradoxical and completely illogical definitions and then you can use the same definitions to compare feats in marvel to feats outside marvel{where consistant definitions are under play}??????

FAIL. and AGAIN, i ask you, what IS IT, that you {or marvel} is defining as an omniverse/megaverse????? because i have defined mine and yours{marvel's} is MOST DEFINATELY not the same defintion as mine or the greater world. by the general definition of megaverse, a comic publisher can only have ONE megaverse, reguardless of size or vastness. you say that LT, a MARVEL CHARACTERS who is NOT in amalgam is holding TWO megaverses, while from the general definition, one comic book publisher's ENTIRE reality is ONE megaverse. tell me how that is possible or what is amiss. most DEFINATELY marvel is using wrong definitions here and is referring to universes as megaverses.

as long as you dont answer the question, no amount of dodging will help. lucifer was standing at ground zero of a MULTIVERSAL{universally accepted non marvel definition of a multiverse} explosion without caring. even if LT destroyes infinite OMNIVERSES{the marvel definition} he wont hold a candle to lucifer. marvel's definition is about as cannon as the PIS force. cannon doesnt mean VALID. the handbook is flawed. if it isnt then PLEASE stop arguing and give the defining criteria for your version of omniverse/megaverse as i have given mine{which coincidentally are the univeral criteria}

no such thing as a real marvel OMNIVERSE exists. no such things as real multiple marvel MEGAVERSES exists. no such thing as an LT beyond the singular marvel multiverse EXISTS.

micheal turns LT into spaghetti and feads it to his pet dinosaur.

So far the only one that is repeating himself is you. I have explain why it's fully possible for Marvel to have a Megaverse per definition in the real world and a Omniverse in there comic world. You constantly eludes that statement yes Marvel is free to use what words they see fit in there respective comics again why is it that I'm answearing all of your questions and you have yet to answear a single one of mine.?

I have already showed you have marvel is defining the therm Omniverse. And I have already Given my definition earlier. but Okay AGAIN for what the fifth time.

My Definition: A Universe is infinite, A multiverse is made up of a nigninfinite number of Universes, a Megaverse is made of a cluster of Multiverses, a Omniverse is made from a nigh infinite number of Megaverses

The only one dodging here and repeating the same thing over and over again like a recorder is you Leonheartmm.

In Marvel comic its exist that you are constantly evading facts claimes etc isn't my problem.

Originally posted by Utrigita
So far the only one that is repeating himself is you. I have explain why it's fully possible for Marvel to have a Megaverse per definition in the real world and a Omniverse in there comic world. You constantly eludes that statement yes Marvel is free to use what words they see fit in there respective comics again why is it that I'm answearing all of your questions and you have yet to answear a single one of mine.?

I have already showed you have marvel is defining the therm Omniverse. And I have already Given my definition earlier. but Okay AGAIN for what the fifth time.

My Definition: A Universe is infinite, A multiverse is made up of a nigninfinite number of Universes, a Megaverse is made of a cluster of Multiverses, a Omniverse is made from a nigh infinite number of Megaverses

The only one dodging here and repeating the same thing over and over again like a recorder is you Leonheartmm.

In Marvel comic its exist that you are constantly evading facts claimes etc isn't my problem.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
When marvel started using Omniverse, they rendered themselves unuseable in debates becuz other comic companies had obeyed the common rule that the omniverse is everything cosmic. So for the sake of arguments, the most any feat can be performed by is megaversal. even then, If dc wanted just a universe, it would still be just as infinite and powerful as all of marvel's multiverses. Different companies decide what the rules are.

hypocrite.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
When marvel started using Omniverse, they rendered themselves unuseable in debates becuz other comic companies had obeyed the common rule that the omniverse is everything cosmic. So for the sake of arguments, the most any feat can be performed by is megaversal. even then, If dc wanted just a universe, it would still be just as infinite and powerful as all of marvel's multiverses. Different companies decide what the rules are.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
When marvel started using Omniverse, they rendered themselves unuseable in debates becuz other comic companies had obeyed the common rule that the omniverse is everything cosmic. So for the sake of arguments, the most any feat can be performed by is megaversal. even then, If dc wanted just a universe, it would still be just as infinite and powerful as all of marvel's multiverses. Different companies decide what the rules are.

Yes thats what I have been trying to illustrate for some time now that each company decided what rules that are being used in there comics. And marvel has decided that in there Comics a omniverse exist. Starwars has decided that a Galaxy exist and so forth, per definition perhaps its a megaverse but each company is free to shape the given comics in any way they want. Thus marvel can easily have a Omniverse within there Comics because its there own busniss how they shape it.

I don't quiet understand you meaning with this.

When marvel started using Omniverse, they rendered themselves unuseable in debates becuz other comic companies had obeyed the common rule that the omniverse is everything cosmic.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Yes thats what I have been trying to illustrate for some time now that each company decided what rules that are being used in there comics. And marvel has decided that in there Comics a omniverse exist. Starwars has decided that a Galaxy exist and so forth, per definition perhaps its a megaverse but each company is free to shape the given comics in any way they want. Thus marvel can easily have a Omniverse within there Comics because its there own busniss how they shape it.

I don't quiet understand you meaning with this.

When marvel started using Omniverse, they rendered themselves unuseable in debates becuz other comic companies had obeyed the common rule that the omniverse is everything cosmic.

I meant, that just becuz someone has omniversal power in marvel, doesn't mean it's any more powerful in company x who is just universal since company x's universes is literally the size of marvel's omniverse.

Originally posted by Astner
The term omniverse isn't trademarked, so no one has to obey anything.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I meant, that just becuz someone has omniversal power in marvel, doesn't mean it's any more powerful in company x who is just universal since company x's universes is literally the size of marvel's omniverse.

make up ur mind for kmc's sake.

Marvel has the Star Wars- and Transformers-verse on their side though, since Marvel print their comics.

Originally posted by Astner
Marvel has the Star Wars- and Transformers-verse on their side though, since Marvel print their comics.

i never got into the transformers as comics but loved the cartoon.

lol. you havent posed anything that demands an answer. and no megaverse consists of not ONLY an infinite number of multiverses. it can consist of nuthing more than a SINGLE universe, if that is all the comic book publisher has ever hinted at in their reality. the megaverse consists of ANY and all constructs of reality universes/multiverse/viod/realms etc that have been hinted at by any coimic book company. anything and EVERYTHING marvel creates is the marvel megaverse. that ioncludes the singular multiverse they have, different realms, the void and the beyond realm and finally TOAA . THAT is the marvel megaverse. just like the totality of the street fighter MEGAVERSE is a SINGLE UNIVERSE.

THEREFORE it is PIS and illogical to say that sumthing in a non amalgam comic can EVER hope to have power BEYOND the megaverse or HOLD two megaverse.

omniverse is any and ALL realities of ALL comic book/media creators that exist. its called OMNI for a reason omni=ALL. im sorry anything and everything marvel does will only be inside their megaverse{which is smaller than dc/vertigo} and LT was only holding two universes of the multiverse which he protects. in the end marvel is defining universes as megaverses. and they shall be treated as nuthing more than universes. if TRULY LT was holding megaverses than marvel shud put their money where their mouth is and actually SHOW characteristics of non marvel realities and claim that LT had domain over them too. otherwise its the same as naming a grain of sand a star. doesnt really mean it has greater mass then what the scientific community calls a STAR reguardless of how much of a star it is in the silly PERSON'S imagination who named it as such.

LT is minced by micheal.

"He is somewhere Beyond the Mutliverse of Dimensions"

"What's Beyond the Multiverse?"

OFFICIAL Marvel Handbook
http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/7932/omniis1cz2.jpg

If you will continuously say “Marvel is wrong!!” with nothing else...

I will not deal with you. It’s breaking the rules and it’s trolling.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
When marvel started using Omniverse, they rendered themselves unuseable in debates becuz other comic companies had obeyed the common rule that the omniverse is everything cosmic. So for the sake of arguments, the most any feat can be performed by is megaversal. even then, If dc wanted just a universe, it would still be just as infinite and powerful as all of marvel's multiverses. Different companies decide what the rules are.

That's total bullshit, because then I can validly argue that Image's prime universe is equal to the combination of DC's 52 universes, and Marvel's entire omniverse.

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
"He is [B]somewhere Beyond the Mutliverse of Dimensions"

"What's Beyond the Multiverse?"

OFFICIAL Marvel Handbook
http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/7932/omniis1cz2.jpg

If you will continuously say “Marvel is wrong!!” with nothing else...

I will not deal with you. It’s breaking the rules and it’s trolling. [/B]

sorry, u just proved my point. now take some time and LISTEN to what im saying.

marvel only has ONE multiverse. but thas not ALL it has. it also has a void. the beyond realm{both outside the multiverse } and a few sub universal dimension outside the multiverse{the ones in which adam warlock was when he survived the destruction of the SINGLE marvel multiverse by thanos with THOTU}. these things are ALL outside the multiverse.

also note how the word multiverse{singular} is used as opposed to multiverseS{plural}. he was outside the one and ONLY multiverse. in one of the places i mentioned. the void is infinite in a sense but it has no power or authority. the smaller realms are minor magical realms that do not even come close to the power of a single universe. the only thing COMPAREABLE to the main multiverse is the beyond realm which is almost as large as the main multiverse itself.

the POINT being made is that LT has no authority over these realms and only has authority IN the main marvel multiverse which he protects. marvel megaverse >the singular marvel multiverse. but the things other than the multiverse are NOT more multiverses but minor realms and only one maor beyond realm which can in some way be compared to the main multiverse for power.

GET IT. multiverse is a place with UNIVERSES. with SPACE/TIME/CHOAS/ORDER/VISHAANTIS/PLANETS/GALAXIES/INTELLIGENT LIFE etc. the other realms i mentioned are not bound by these phenomenon and hence are not stated to be UNI/multiverses.

marvel only has ONE multiverse.

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Infinity_Gems
(second to last paragraph)

"The Infinity Gems were eventually taken by an energy vampire
from an alternate-reality ... In that other Multiverse"

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"The LT Exists in ALL Multiverses simultaneously"

"Other Shapes to Administer to Other Clusters" (Multiverses)

"Man's Universe (Multiverse) has it's own Infinite number of variants known as Alternate Universes, explored by the Watchers, (the Watchers explore the Multiverse)

All these variants share the same Three Spatial Dimensions and obey roughly the same Laws

"There are Universes whose number of Spatial Dimensions range between 2.7 etc and 6.2 etc, these all share a commonality of Concepts,

hence they are grouped into a Cluster, (a Multiverse)

Man's Cluster is One of the responsibilities of the Living Tribunal"

"Truly different"

"even there Life exists, in Forms totally inconceivable to mankind"

"There the Living Tribunal takes Other Shapes

to Administer to Other Clusters" (Multiverses)

also note how the word multiverse{singular} is used as opposed to multiverseS{plural}. he was outside the one and ONLY multiverse. in one of the places i mentioned. the void is infinite in a sense but it has no power or authority. the smaller realms are minor magical realms that do not even come close to the power of a single universe. the only thing COMPAREABLE to the main multiverse is the beyond realm which is almost as large as the main multiverse itself.

The original Beyond Realm was massively bigger than the multiverse.

And see the scans I provided about there not being other multiverses.

the POINT being made is that LT has no authority over these realms and only has authority IN the main marvel multiverse which he protects. marvel megaverse >the singular marvel multiverse. but the things other than the multiverse are NOT more multiverses but minor realms and only one maor beyond realm which can in some way be compared to the main multiverse for power.

You have -NOTHING- to back this up....

Provide. Scans.

GET IT. multiverse is a place with UNIVERSES. with SPACE/TIME/CHOAS/ORDER/VISHAANTIS/PLANETS/GALAXIES/INTELLIGENT LIFE etc. the other realms i mentioned are not bound by these phenomenon and hence are not stated to be UNI/multiverses.

Yes, there are many multiverses and various other realms.

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Infinity_Gems
(second to last paragraph)

"The Infinity Gems were eventually taken by an energy vampire
from an alternate-reality ... [B]In that other Multiverse"

sigh. off panel. off comic. non cannon.

[QUOTE]

(

"The LT Exists in ALL Multiverses simultaneously"

"Other Shapes to Administer to Other Clusters" (Multiverses)

the first scan is debnuked. read back. he switches from talking about MULTIVERSES to UNIVERESES. when the question of POWER comes, it switches to universes{which are an infinitely small part of ONE multiverse}

in the second scan, im surprised how you go from CLUSTERS to multiverses. clusters are a compendium of FINITE universes with certain characteristics. a multiverse is a TOTALITY a continuum of infinite universes. not stated on panel and its easy to see its talking about finite clusters not infinite totalities.

"Man's Universe (Multiverse) has it's own Infinite number of variants known as Alternate Universes, explored by the Watchers, (the Watchers explore the Multiverse)

All these variants share the same Three Spatial Dimensions and obey roughly the same Laws

now your grabbing at thin air. how on EARTH do you turn an on panel universe to a MULTIVERSE to suit your case? its simple what is being talked about. the 616 UNIVERSE has many variants WHICH combined form the multiverse and the watchers observe them

"There are Universes whose number of Spatial Dimensions range between 2.7 etc and 6.2 etc, these all share a commonality of Concepts,

hence they are grouped into a Cluster, (a Multiverse)

Man's Cluster is One of the responsibilities of the Living Tribunal"

"Truly different"

again, going from clusters to multiverses. illogical. countered before.

"even there Life exists, in Forms totally inconceivable to mankind"

"There the Living Tribunal takes Other Shapes

to Administer to Other Clusters" (Multiverses)

again going from CLUSTERS to multiverses. countered.

The original Beyond Realm was massively bigger than the multiverse.

And see the scans I provided about there not being other multiverses.

unture, it was infinite, just like the multiverse. a totality in itself.

You have -NOTHING- to back this up....

Provide. Scans.

i have everything to back it up. its never been stated consitantly. the other REALMS are not even compareable to universes let alone multiverse, the void is part of the megaverse as its been hinted at by warlock etc. OUTSIDE creation where thanos stodd after destroying the multiverse and where genis stood after killing eternity etc. the beyond realm has been stated to not be a multiverse and the singular multiverse was known to be created by the original infinity being.

your basing your argument on negetive evidence of an assumption with no reason to propose it. its a logical fallacy.

[QUOTE]Yes, there are many multiverses and various other realms.QUOTE]

no. theyr rent.

but i appreciate the fact that youve stopped flaming and started atleast a lil to argue.

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Infinity_Gems
(second to last paragraph)

"The Infinity Gems were eventually taken by an energy vampire
from an alternate-reality ... [B]In that other Multiverse"

(

"The LT Exists in ALL Multiverses simultaneously"

"Other Shapes to Administer to Other Clusters" (Multiverses)

"Man's Universe (Multiverse) has it's own Infinite number of variants known as Alternate Universes, explored by the Watchers, (the Watchers explore the Multiverse)

All these variants share the same Three Spatial Dimensions and obey roughly the same Laws

"There are Universes whose number of Spatial Dimensions range between 2.7 etc and 6.2 etc, these all share a commonality of Concepts,

hence they are grouped into a Cluster, (a Multiverse)

Man's Cluster is One of the responsibilities of the Living Tribunal"

"Truly different"

"even there Life exists, in Forms totally inconceivable to mankind"

"There the Living Tribunal takes Other Shapes

to Administer to Other Clusters" (Multiverses)

The original Beyond Realm was massively bigger than the multiverse.

And see the scans I provided about there not being other multiverses.

You have -NOTHING- to back this up....

Provide. Scans.

Yes, there are many multiverses and various other realms. [/B]

this guy debates like someone else on here this lenoheart. he sees onpanel proof and continues to argue against it foolishly.

accpe th what comic book companies tell u about their comic books ok.

thanks.

Originally posted by quanchi112
i owned him.

this guy debates like someone else on here this lenoheart. he sees onpanel proof and continues to argue against it foolishly.

accpe th what comic book companies tell u about their comic books ok.

thanks.

lmfao!!!!!!!! not in your wildest wet dreams pal 😄 😄 😛 . the level of delusions you suffer require clinical intervention.

“There are UNIVERSES....through natural laws...these all share a commonality of concepts.

Hence they (UNIVERSES) are grouped into a cluster.”

“Man’s cluster”

Man’s Cluster...of UNIVERSES.

Got it?

Now let’s look at the OFFICIAL Marvel definition of multiverse.

“The multiverse is the collection of alternate dimensions with a similar nature and universal hierarchy.”

HOLY LOGIC AND PROOF BATMAN!

Is that nto EXACTLY what was just described a sa cluster?

And guess what?

“There, the Living Tribunal takes other shapes to administer to OTHER CLUSTERS"

Now, come back when you have ACTUAL evidence.

Or I'll report you again for trolling topics and ignoring canon.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
lmfao!!!!!!!! not in your wildest wet dreams pal 😄 😄 😛 . the level of delusions you suffer require clinical intervention.

please quit posting as ur destroying ur reputation.

for ur own sake quit posting about this matter.