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Started by 2damnloud7 pages

Originally posted by spetznaz
Well, I can see your point about a thunderstorm having the energy of a thermonuclear detonation. I see where you are coming from.

The problem is that you are talking about potential energy ....for instance, a human being (one human) if his mass was converted into energy could power an average sized city (never did say how large an 'average sized city' was, but one can assume it is not exactly one Bangladeshi village) for a while. A piece of toast has more energy than a car moving at 30mph.

Anyways, potential energy is different from actual energy.

The splitting of an atom (for fission), or the fusion of atoms (fusion) detonations are incredulously powerful.

Take Hurricane Katrina ....that hurricane had more than enough energy than many many Hiroshima sized explosions, and you saw what it did to N.O. Ravaged that city big time.

However, even with that said, imagine if i had set off 4 Hiroshima size fission devices (rather small and simple 'gun' atomic weapons that are quite weak compared to the thermonuclear types available today). The amount of damage wrought on NO would be stupendous, even though Katrina packed a greater energy (potential and dynamic) than the atomics. The released yield (which is the crucial thing) from the atomics would simply reduce the city to rubble for the most part.... (it is all about released yield ....for instance, a small shaped HEAT charge will mess up a tank when a simple H-E charge 5 times its size will not penetrate the armor).

It is also the reason why the US Military was pushing for small thermonuclear bombs to be used as ways of bombing deeply buried sites (e.g. the North Korean and Iranian bunkers that are buried deep within the earth in the case of the Iranians, or in mountains for the NKs, that are impervious to non-nuclear penetrators). A small nuke would cause so much energy in that area that the level of overpressure would simply cause the entire complex to collapse on itself.

On the other hand, you could have a thousand Katrina size hurricanes pound the mountains above the North Korean complex, and the N.Ks in the bases underneath the mountains would not feel a thing. They wouldn't even know hurricanes were above them. Yet, on PAPER, the Hurricanes pack more energy than the nuclear bunker-buster (the project was 'reportedly' cancelled last year, but I find that hard to believe because the Us military would get rid of the only effective weapon they have to reach bunkers buried in mountain complexes, and I wouldn't be surprised if the Israelis also have something similar).

Anyways, the potential and dynamic energies in a lot of natural phenomena can be astounding. For instance many tornados above F1 (the old Fujita scale ....I'm not yet conversant with the new scale) have numbers that are above a good many thermonuclear weapons.

However, have that tornado go through Oklahoma city and see what happens (if it is an F5 like the one that went through OK in 1999, and it goes through OKC instead of through the small towns and settlements, it would cause all the glass to shatter, would cause severe damage to several skyscrapers, and overall set back the budget of the State of Oklahoma, and the Federal Government, sveeral billions when it comes to rebuilding). And an F5 would have more potential and dynamic enerugy than many thermonuclear devices (i am talking real fusion devices and not rudimentary gun-type fission devices like the Hiroshima bomb)

Thus, it would do damage.

Now, what would happen if i put ONE 10 Kiloton device in OKC, and have it detonate a thousand feet in the air?

OKC would be totally finished!

Its yield may (looking at only numbers) be 'less' than that of a F-5 tornado, but its effect (which is the important thing) would be many times greater. Great enough that (unlike the Tornado) there would be nothing for the OK State and the Fed to rebuild.

Thanx for your reply but Storm doesn't just manipulate the "yield". she creates the Storm and manipulates the yeild using only her mind.

So far I've read two "scientific" hypothesesis about how much power it would take for Storm to do that and they both corrobrate that t would take an ridiculos amount of power.

She doesn't have magical plot device or tech doing all the work. She does it through some sort of specialize telekensis that is adapted to, and is a specialize mutation that deals with kenetic energy(temperature), electromagnetism/electrons, and water and whatever else it takes to make a "storm" or any other weather effect or that "feeds" the weather and the biospshere of whatever planet she's on, in space or whatever. She can even channel the potential energy of the storm through her body.😬

My thing is, with that same "mind" that she uses t do all that stuff, that nuke and magneto Storm in the magneto arc should be nothing, especially when overpressure that causes the blast wave is so very closely related to weather phenomena.

And she also summoned millions of suns once and channeld them through her body.

I also think there's is an instance where she chanelled the potential energy of a Storm into herself, and then Polaris causing her to shoot down in the 4,000 miles of earth's Crust.

I also don't see any logical reason why she couldn't create her own nuclear fusion/fission.

how about someone like Cloak or Abyss that could draw the force of the blast into the dark force demention

i know wolverine has allready actuallly survived a nucular blast ... see the venom series.

i have great faith in silver surfer

how about sunfire?

Sentrey could do it i mean he has the obssestion with putting things in suns to begin with?

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Thanx for your reply but Storm doesn't just manipulate the "yield". she creates the Storm and manipulates the yeild using only her mind.

So far I've read two "scientific" hypothesesis about how much power it would take for Storm to do that and they both corrobrate that t would take an ridiculos amount of power.

She doesn't have magical plot device or tech doing all the work. She does it through some sort of specialize telekensis that is adapted to, and is a specialize mutation that deals with kenetic energy(temperature), electromagnetism/electrons, and water and whatever else it takes to make a "storm" or any other weather effect or that "feeds" the weather and the biospshere of whatever planet she's on, in space or whatever. She can even channel the potential energy of the storm through her body.😬

My thing is, with that same "mind" that she uses t do all that stuff, that nuke and magneto Storm in the magneto arc should be nothing, especially when overpressure that causes the blast wave is so very closely related to weather phenomena.

And she also summoned millions of suns once and channeld them through her body.

I also think there's is an instance where she chanelled the potential energy of a Storm into herself, and then Polaris causing her to shoot down in the 4,000 miles of earth's Crust.

I also don't see any logical reason why she couldn't create her own nuclear fusion/fission.

I understand her "potential" output. What I'm saying that never has she shown on panel to deflect a city destroying blast that's all. If that's the case then she should be able to stop Cyclops's optic blast from ten feet away. And the speed and power of a 30 megaton blast is >>>>>>>>>>Optic blast which would ko/kill Storm if it connected.

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As far as thhe Magneto where she couldn't block the blast wave.

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She's also dipicted as being cold when she's immune to the elements.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
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As far as thhe Magneto where she couldn't block the blast wave.

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She's also dipicted as being cold when she's immune to the elements.

This just proves that Storm is too WEAK to solo Blaze herself!! 😄

Originally posted by Hitman911
This just proves that Storm is too WEAK to solo Blaze herself!! 😄

As can be said about any powerful character on a super hero team😬

But of course, you don't like Storm so........yeah..........she's too "weak".

Such bullshit, hence why I'm so arrogant.

Anyone's who's bias is completely beneath me.✅

Originally posted by 2damnloud
As can be said about any powerful character on a super hero team😬

But of course, you don't like Storm so........yeah..........she's too "weak".

Such bullshit, hence why I'm so arrogant.

Anyone's who's bias is completely beneath me.✅

Whether I like Storm or not is irrelevant. The facts are: She though very powerful is still a team player not yet ready for the big leagues!!! FACT 😄

Originally posted by Hitman911
Whether I like Storm or not is irrelevant. The facts are: She though very powerful is still a team player not yet ready for the big leagues!!! FACT 😄

She is the big league.

One of the most powerful beings on earth. ✅

Originally posted by 2damnloud
She is the big league.

One of the most powerful beings on earth. ✅

❌ Even so,she has never been called upon or has demonstrated that type of power to neutralize/dissipate/absorb/own a 30 megaton blast with only 5 seconds prep. The Blast would kill her, the heat would kill her, the debris would kill her, she wouldn't be able to breath as all nearby oxygen is burned away. I don't care how many galaxies she can absorb 🙄 On earth the dies.

Originally posted by Hitman911
❌ Even so,she has never been called upon or has demonstrated that type of power to neutralize/dissipate/absorb/own a 30 megaton blast with only 5 seconds prep. The Blast would kill her, the heat would kill her, the debris would kill her, she wouldn't be able to breath as all nearby oxygen is burned away. I don't care how many galaxies she can absorb 🙄 On earth the dies.

Argument from Ignorance fallacy.

Plus on EARTH she has absorbed an entire Storm by converting it to electrical energy and dispersing it across a continent.

One Storm>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>that 30 megaton Nuke.

More than likely anything that could survive the impact would suffer core meltdown. Most likely to survive if his magic shield is up would be that Red Head...Juggernaut.

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Originally posted by Hitman911
[B]BOOOOOOOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A Thirty Mega-ton Warhead explodes.
Who is the weakest that could survive this?!?!?!?
Oh yeah, that pic is what a 10 megaton warhead whould do. [/B]

Mr. Immortal.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
She is the big league.

One of the most powerful beings on earth. ✅

😐

Originally posted by 2damnloud

One Storm>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>that 30 megaton Nuke.

Maybe so but this is a different type of energy. like instant devastation energy!! Storm Dies...