Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirli always get the best of u. thanos knocked galactus on his ass and beat the beyonder. who has darkseid beat under his own power that is as powerful as the beyonder.
Thanos can't even hurt galactus under his own power.Spectre>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>galactus.
You realize what the cage symbolized. I bet you don't. I do understand your limited capacity for such things. So I'm going to go to bed now.
go to bed as i always win.
Originally posted by quanchi112
i always get the best of u. thanos knocked galactus on his ass and beat the beyonder. who has darkseid beat under his own power that is as powerful as the beyonder.go to bed as i always win.
you mean the rediculously LESS powerful beyonder who has no feats really? LMAO. Good night.
he has created more than one multiverse without exerting himself
He made a single multiverse with Michael’s power.
beyonder on the other hand was more powerful than the marvel singular multiverse. in a sense. he could have destroyed it by creating an anomoly or time warp/paradox, but he wud have been destroyed himself. because as was stated clearly in his conversatiion with reed, even he can not survive the destruction of TIME
The Beyonder IS the Beyond Realm.
And guess what...
http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyondspaceandtimefk9.jpg
“Meanwhile, in a universe beyond space, TIME....”
So, where’s this bit about Beyonder being killed off if there’s no time?
beyonder was also very gullable, acting like a newborn baby who doesnt know anything, lucifer wud probably just manipulate him into killing himself. and lucifer IS omniscient, that is why he killed his clone and the two giants which had entered the city of heaven and had TOAA's power at the time. although like all things in comics, you shudnt take this as a measure of ULTIMATE knowledge, lucifer does know about the omniverse{and theres no such thing as a DC omniverse or any 1 comic book publisher omniverse. comic book realities at max can be a singular megaverse. everyhting other than that is just a play on words} but then again the eternal circle of god's above the presence is even out of lucifer/the voice's ability to comprehend. in short, NUTHING in comics can truly be ALL powerful or ALL knowing}
First off, Lucy is not omniscient. Second, why is TOAA in DC’s Heaven? Third, there are multiple multiverses in both DC and Marvel.T hat’s canon.
He made a single multiverse with Michael’s power.
half was micheal half was lucifer. then he did the same to elaine's reality. the POINT being made is that lucifer's power is far greater than that of a universe as he can do it again and again and again.
The Beyonder IS the Beyond Realm.And guess what...
http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyondspaceandtimefk9.jpg
“Meanwhile, in a universe beyond space, TIME....”So, where’s this bit about Beyonder being killed off if there’s no time?
erm, did u really expect to find it in the scan you put up. beyonder very very VERY clearly admitted to reed that every moment must preceed the next. and reed asked him if even HE cud survive the destruction of time{with which he planned to destroy the entire multiverse, also telling us the extent of marvel's universal/multiversal creation is ONE multiverse} ill try n find the scan if i can as its hard cause of its vague name to find in the tens of thousands other i have on my PC.
First off, Lucy is not omniscient. Second, why is TOAA in DC’s Heaven? Third, there are multiple multiverses in both DC and Marvel.T hat’s canon.
it is very clearly stated in his battle against the titans that he is. he is also above all endless including destiny. ofcourse all such terms have limits in the plotline of comics, therefore his omniscience only puts him on failry EQUAL grounds as the presence which is ALSO omniscient{ofcourse thas a worldly paradox but in vertigo it will have to do} . TOAA isnt in dc heaven. only the VOICE/will of god is in a room of the presence which is so powerful that any1 other than micheal or lucifer can not even hope to bear it and micheal crawles into a baby fetal position alseep listening to it. btw dc heaven is CREATED BY MICHEAL AND LUCIFER.
there is some confusion about this but when micheal was enraged at the presence for killing ellaine and forcibly went into the room of god, while burning off the protecting archangels. gabriel commented on how micheal's creative power can be felt to be at work and consisting of heaven and the angels themselves. his demiurgic power and lucifer's power/will.
Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
Finally, Nvr, where the heck do you get the idea Lucy only made a multiverse because he thought that was as large as all Creation? That would really put a piss on the idea he's omniscient.
before lucifer created his multiverse. the entirety of CREATION consisted of a singular multiverse/its connected realms/the realms of the gods/the wall/the sea of chaos/the void/the city of god. lucifer achieved the same, he created a multiverse, with its realms etc. but he specifically exempted gods as he hates tyrrany and control of the multiverse's inhabitans. he forbade them and the only two gods are the human superficial hateful god s of elaine friend{god of ferrets} and elaine herslef{god of everything else other than ferrets} anointed by lucifer himself. thats the same reason he didnt build a city of heaven/hell dimension as he hates pride ad arrogance displayed by the presence.
as ot his omniscience, its already explained, the powers lucifer opposes are also omniscient, and perhaps to a greater degree than him.
half was micheal half was lucifer. then he did the same to elaine's reality. the POINT being made is that lucifer's power is far greater than that of a universe as he can do it again and again and again.
No one said Lucy was just universal as far as I know.
Except GS. But you have to realize up until that one single quote, Lucifer's domain WAS just a universe. It was retconned into a multiverse.
erm, did u really expect to find it in the scan you put up. beyonder very very VERY clearly admitted to reed that every moment must preceed the next. and reed asked him if even HE cud survive the destruction of time{with which he planned to destroy the entire multiverse, also telling us the extent of marvel's universal/multiversal creation is ONE multiverse} ill try n find the scan if i can as its hard cause of its vague name to find in the tens of thousands other i have on my PC.
1. Beyonder is beyond space and time. Says so in the scan.
2. Back in 1965, Marvel WAS just a multiverse. Mr. Master has proven that several times. It's expanded since then.
it is very clearly stated in his battle against the titans that he is. he is also above all endless including destiny. ofcourse all such terms have limits in the plotline of comics, therefore his omniscience only puts him on failry EQUAL grounds as the presence which is ALSO omniscient{ofcourse thas a worldly paradox but in vertigo it will have to do}
If we're going just by random quotes saying someone is omniscient...
Many, many said Beyonder was Omniscient, including the Writers,
TOAA isnt in dc heaven. only the VOICE/will of god is in a room of the presence which is so powerful that any1 other than micheal or lucifer can not even hope to bear it and micheal crawles into a baby fetal position alseep listening to it. btw dc heaven is CREATED BY MICHEAL AND LUCIFER.
Yay for them?
There's only one of them in this fight.
No one said Lucy was just universal as far as I know.Except GS. But you have to realize up until that one single quote, Lucifer's domain WAS just a universe. It was retconned into a multiverse.
actually no. the vertigo CREATION was seen to be a multiverse before, ith its different realms and alternate universes etc. if anything micheal referring to lucifer's CREATION{which was repeatedly said to be the second which wud rival the presence's} as a universe was a retcon and PIS. as most of the evidence at the time pointed ot the opposite. there is also the fact that lucifer BREAKS his creation into an almost uncountable number of pieces after talking to micheal effectively creating a multiverse.
1. Beyonder is beyond space and time. Says so in the scan.
2. Back in 1965, Marvel WAS just a multiverse. Mr. Master has proven that several times. It's expanded since then.
yes in THAT scan. he was, initially. but aftewards, he wasnt just trying to destroy TIME, but was trying to create a time PARADOX inside the multiverse strong enough to DESTROY the multiverse{im pretty sure infinite as the abstract of time hadnt been completely introduces in secret wars time frame} and THAT would destroy him. it was a very serious convo and even the celestials were afraid of the beyonder after that. he SAID that he was beyond time but he also said "but perhaps you are right{referring to reed}, every moment must preceed the next" and he didnt deny the claim of reed.
i have already explained about mister master's explanations, different realms and UNIVERSES like the microverse etc do not mean a different MULTIVERSE. it just means different universe/realm INSIDE the multiverse{which has an infinite number of universes}
If we're going just by random quotes saying someone is omniscient...Many, many said Beyonder was Omniscient, including the Writers,
yes, but it seemed the beyonder knew next to nuthing of the multiverse. and his omniscience was NEVER shown in feats etc. quite the opposite he was always experimenting and expecting results that didnt come.
lucifer on the other hand has extreme foresight and knowlede and always creates elaborate schemes{even ending up in him losing his power at many times} which seem to work out in his favour in the end in the most unlikely of ways. and he defeated the titans with on panel omniscience. that is not a random quote. lucifer's appearances/comics are not so fragmented and incosistant for any quote to be considered random yet.
Yay for them?There's only one of them in this fight.
i was replying to your query about why god lived in heaven. and the implications on the brother's omniscience.
yes in THAT scan. he was, initially. but aftewards, he wasnt just trying to destroy TIME, but was trying to create a time PARADOX inside the multiverse strong enough to DESTROY the multiverse{im pretty sure infinite as the abstract of time hadnt been completely introduces in secret wars time frame} and THAT would destroy him. it was a very serious convo and even the celestials were afraid of the beyonder after that. he SAID that he was beyond time but he also said "but perhaps you are right{referring to reed}, every moment must preceed the next" and he didnt deny the claim of reed.
Uh..Beyonder intended in the end to erase the multiverse anyway.
So, you're saying he was gonna kill himself?
i have already explained about mister master's explanations, different realms and UNIVERSES like the microverse etc do not mean a different MULTIVERSE. it just means different universe/realm INSIDE the multiverse{which has an infinite number of universes}
You've done nothing but make claims. Mr. M posts actual proof.
We're told flat out SEVERAL times of places outside the multiverses. OTHER multiverses.
Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolaswhy even respond to someone who disregards everything and believes their own convoluted theories.
Uh..Beyonder intended in the end to erase the multiverse anyway.So, you're saying he was gonna kill himself?
You've done nothing but make claims. Mr. M posts actual proof.
We're told flat out SEVERAL times of places outside the multiverses. OTHER multiverses.
and shin. thats EXACTLY what im saying, beyonder would have died as he destroyed the singular multverse. it was his final threat as he had become disgusted with what he had seen in the world outside his beyond realm.
and i have countered mr master's points based on the very scans HE gave. and ive also countered the apparent SEVERAL times its said or supposedly said.
remember that the molecule man was able to channel the beyonder which created a UNIVERSE. defeating the beyonder. that is a huge limitation on the beyonder's powerset. not to mention his defeat by the forest shaman.
